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Two amorphophalluses ... amorphophalli ... whatever
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From: Steve Marak <samarak at gizmoworks.com> on 2009.09.03 at 06:45:05(19916)
Aroiders,
I've barely been in the greenhouse this week, but I noticed a stench in
passing and investigation turned up these two.
There are labels in the pots and I have no reason to doubt them but would
appreciate the opinions of the experts just as confirmation - I have had
aroid tubers move around mysteriously now and then, and a lot happened in
a short time (with very little sleep) during the great ice storm.
Thanks,
Steve
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From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" <hetter at xs4all.nl> on 2009.09.03 at 09:33:33(19917)
Hi Steve,
The one with the leaf in the background = Am. asterostigmatus (sewege stench)
he other one is Am. atroviridis (old/sharp cheese smell).
Cheers,
Wilbert
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> Aroiders,
>
> I've barely been in the greenhouse this week, but I noticed a stench in
> passing and investigation turned up these two.
>
> There are labels in the pots and I have no reason to doubt them but would
> appreciate the opinions of the experts just as confirmation - I have had
> aroid tubers move around mysteriously now and then, and a lot happened in
> a short time (with very little sleep) during the great ice storm.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
>
> -- Steve Marak
> -- samarak@gizmoworks.com_______________________________________________
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From: Steve Marak <samarak at gizmoworks.com> on 2009.09.04 at 05:04:52(19922)
Thanks, Wilbert. I'll extract the tags (I have to bury the short ones, to
keep birds from making off with them) and make sure they are correct.
The atroviridis is from either you or Phil Mueller, years ago, one of
those with the lovely red color on the leaf.
Steve
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On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Wilbert Hetterscheid wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> The one with the leaf in the background = Am. asterostigmatus (sewege stench)
> he other one is Am. atroviridis (old/sharp cheese smell).
>
> Cheers,
> Wilbert
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From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" <hetter at xs4all.nl> on 2009.09.07 at 15:31:02(19956)
Oops, I noticed I wrote that the one in the picture without the leaf is Am.
atroviridis but that was a slip of the braincell. It looks more like
operculatus or like (hard to be sure without leaf).
Sorry 'bout that, Steve.
Wilbert
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> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
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> [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] Namens Steve Marak
> Verzonden: donderdag 3 september 2009 8:45
> Aan: Aroid list
> Onderwerp: [Aroid-l] Two amorphophalluses ... amorphophalli
> ... whatever
>
> Aroiders,
>
> I've barely been in the greenhouse this week, but I noticed a
> stench in passing and investigation turned up these two.
>
> There are labels in the pots and I have no reason to doubt
> them but would appreciate the opinions of the experts just as
> confirmation - I have had aroid tubers move around
> mysteriously now and then, and a lot happened in a short time
> (with very little sleep) during the great ice storm.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
>
> -- Steve Marak
> -- samarak@gizmoworks.com
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From: Steve Marak <samarak at gizmoworks.com> on 2009.09.07 at 18:43:30(19957)
Wilbert,
No problem - I haven't had time to look at the tags yet anyway. I'd hoped
to get to that, and a bunch of other things that need doing in the
greenhouse, over the Labor Day holiday here in the US, but as usual I'm
way behind.
Attached is a picture of the leaf. Both the infloresence and the leaf are
more open now, and I'll try to take a couple more pictures today.
Steve
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On Mon, 7 Sep 2009, Wilbert Hetterscheid wrote:
> Oops, I noticed I wrote that the one in the picture without the leaf is Am.
> atroviridis but that was a slip of the braincell. It looks more like
> operculatus or like (hard to be sure without leaf).
>
> Sorry 'bout that, Steve.
>
> Wilbert
>
>
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com
> > [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] Namens Steve Marak
> > Verzonden: donderdag 3 september 2009 8:45
> > Aan: Aroid list
> > Onderwerp: [Aroid-l] Two amorphophalluses ... amorphophalli
> > ... whatever
> >
> > Aroiders,
> >
> > I've barely been in the greenhouse this week, but I noticed a
> > stench in passing and investigation turned up these two.
> >
> > There are labels in the pots and I have no reason to doubt
> > them but would appreciate the opinions of the experts just as
> > confirmation - I have had aroid tubers move around
> > mysteriously now and then, and a lot happened in a short time
> > (with very little sleep) during the great ice storm.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > -- Steve Marak
> > -- samarak@gizmoworks.com
>
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From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" <hetter at xs4all.nl> on 2009.09.07 at 19:45:25(19958)
O.k., that looks more like Am. saururus then any of the other species of
that group.
Cheers,
Wilbert
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> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com
> [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] Namens Steve Marak
> Verzonden: maandag 7 september 2009 20:44
> Aan: Discussion of aroids
> Onderwerp: Re: [Aroid-l] Two amorphophalluses ...
> amorphophalli ... whatever
>
> Wilbert,
>
> No problem - I haven't had time to look at the tags yet
> anyway. I'd hoped to get to that, and a bunch of other things
> that need doing in the greenhouse, over the Labor Day holiday
> here in the US, but as usual I'm way behind.
>
> Attached is a picture of the leaf. Both the infloresence and
> the leaf are more open now, and I'll try to take a couple
> more pictures today.
>
> Steve
>
> On Mon, 7 Sep 2009, Wilbert Hetterscheid wrote:
>
> > Oops, I noticed I wrote that the one in the picture without
> the leaf is Am.
> > atroviridis but that was a slip of the braincell. It looks
> more like
> > operculatus or like (hard to be sure without leaf).
> >
> > Sorry 'bout that, Steve.
> >
> > Wilbert
> >
> >
> > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > > Van: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com
> > > [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] Namens Steve Marak
> > > Verzonden: donderdag 3 september 2009 8:45
> > > Aan: Aroid list
> > > Onderwerp: [Aroid-l] Two amorphophalluses ... amorphophalli ...
> > > whatever
> > >
> > > Aroiders,
> > >
> > > I've barely been in the greenhouse this week, but I
> noticed a stench
> > > in passing and investigation turned up these two.
> > >
> > > There are labels in the pots and I have no reason to
> doubt them but
> > > would appreciate the opinions of the experts just as
> confirmation -
> > > I have had aroid tubers move around mysteriously now and
> then, and a
> > > lot happened in a short time (with very little sleep) during the
> > > great ice storm.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > -- Steve Marak
> > > -- samarak@gizmoworks.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
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From: "Marek Argent" <abri1973 at wp.pl> on 2009.09.07 at 20:04:29(19959)
Hi,
My atroviridis looks so (new photos attached) and here
http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/amorphophallus/atrovir.htm
I think it's the same species.
Marek
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Marak"
To: "Discussion of aroids"
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Two amorphophalluses ... amorphophalli ... whatever
> Wilbert,
>
> No problem - I haven't had time to look at the tags yet anyway. I'd hoped
> to get to that, and a bunch of other things that need doing in the
> greenhouse, over the Labor Day holiday here in the US, but as usual I'm
> way behind.
>
> Attached is a picture of the leaf. Both the infloresence and the leaf are
> more open now, and I'll try to take a couple more pictures today.
>
> Steve
>
> On Mon, 7 Sep 2009, Wilbert Hetterscheid wrote:
>
>> Oops, I noticed I wrote that the one in the picture without the leaf is
>> Am.
>> atroviridis but that was a slip of the braincell. It looks more like
>> operculatus or like (hard to be sure without leaf).
>>
>> Sorry 'bout that, Steve.
>>
>> Wilbert
>>
>>
>> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> > Van: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com
>> > [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] Namens Steve Marak
>> > Verzonden: donderdag 3 september 2009 8:45
>> > Aan: Aroid list
>> > Onderwerp: [Aroid-l] Two amorphophalluses ... amorphophalli
>> > ... whatever
>> >
>> > Aroiders,
>> >
>> > I've barely been in the greenhouse this week, but I noticed a
>> > stench in passing and investigation turned up these two.
>> >
>> > There are labels in the pots and I have no reason to doubt
>> > them but would appreciate the opinions of the experts just as
>> > confirmation - I have had aroid tubers move around
>> > mysteriously now and then, and a lot happened in a short time
>> > (with very little sleep) during the great ice storm.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Steve
>> >
>> > -- Steve Marak
>> > -- samarak@gizmoworks.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
> -- Steve Marak
> -- samarak@gizmoworks.com
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From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" <hetter at xs4all.nl> on 2009.09.08 at 04:41:33(19965)
Hi too,
Well Marek, yes, the plants look similar, but yours is not atroviridis, or
I am suffering from "Amorphophalli Memorii-Degeneratio". I would check if
your plant has a velvety hairy leaf-stalk. My guess is it will be smooth.
Cheers,
Wilbert
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> Hi,
>
> My atroviridis looks so (new photos attached) and here
> http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/amorphophallus/atrovir.htm
> I think it's the same species.
>
> Marek
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Marak"
> To: "Discussion of aroids"
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Two amorphophalluses ... amorphophalli ... whatever
>
>
>> Wilbert,
>>
>> No problem - I haven't had time to look at the tags yet anyway. I'd
>> hoped
>> to get to that, and a bunch of other things that need doing in the
>> greenhouse, over the Labor Day holiday here in the US, but as usual I'm
>> way behind.
>>
>> Attached is a picture of the leaf. Both the infloresence and the leaf
>> are
>> more open now, and I'll try to take a couple more pictures today.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> On Mon, 7 Sep 2009, Wilbert Hetterscheid wrote:
>>
>>> Oops, I noticed I wrote that the one in the picture without the leaf is
>>> Am.
>>> atroviridis but that was a slip of the braincell. It looks more like
>>> operculatus or like (hard to be sure without leaf).
>>>
>>> Sorry 'bout that, Steve.
>>>
>>> Wilbert
>>>
>>>
>>> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>>> > Van: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com
>>> > [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] Namens Steve Marak
>>> > Verzonden: donderdag 3 september 2009 8:45
>>> > Aan: Aroid list
>>> > Onderwerp: [Aroid-l] Two amorphophalluses ... amorphophalli
>>> > ... whatever
>>> >
>>> > Aroiders,
>>> >
>>> > I've barely been in the greenhouse this week, but I noticed a
>>> > stench in passing and investigation turned up these two.
>>> >
>>> > There are labels in the pots and I have no reason to doubt
>>> > them but would appreciate the opinions of the experts just as
>>> > confirmation - I have had aroid tubers move around
>>> > mysteriously now and then, and a lot happened in a short time
>>> > (with very little sleep) during the great ice storm.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Steve
>>> >
>>> > -- Steve Marak
>>> > -- samarak@gizmoworks.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> -- Steve Marak
>> -- samarak@gizmoworks.com
>
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From: "Marek Argent" <abri1973 at wp.pl> on 2009.09.08 at 22:52:34(19971)
Wilbert,
The petiole is smooth with white pattern and the leaf blade is velvety.
This year it looks quite different than a year ago.
I remember I was asking you last year (I asked what attacked the leaf) and
you identified it as atroviridis.
Last year it grew in the garden and the leaf was different (it was divided
into ~20 lobes),
this year it stayed at home on southern window, the leaf is larger, but has
only 10 lobes and it's upper surface is velvety, the petiole is long and the
pattern appeared (see the attached photos).
The older photos you'll find in this page (The first photo doesn't show my
plant):
http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/amorphophallus/atrovir.htm
Marek
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid"
To: "Discussion of aroids"
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Two amorphophalluses ... amorphophalli ... whatever
Hi too,
Well Marek, yes, the plants look similar, but yours is not atroviridis, or
I am suffering from "Amorphophalli Memorii-Degeneratio". I would check if
your plant has a velvety hairy leaf-stalk. My guess is it will be smooth.
Cheers,
Wilbert
> Hi,
>
> My atroviridis looks so (new photos attached) and here
> http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/amorphophallus/atrovir.htm
> I think it's the same species.
>
> Marek
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Marak"
> To: "Discussion of aroids"
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Two amorphophalluses ... amorphophalli ... whatever
>
>
>> Wilbert,
>>
>> No problem - I haven't had time to look at the tags yet anyway. I'd
>> hoped
>> to get to that, and a bunch of other things that need doing in the
>> greenhouse, over the Labor Day holiday here in the US, but as usual I'm
>> way behind.
>>
>> Attached is a picture of the leaf. Both the infloresence and the leaf
>> are
>> more open now, and I'll try to take a couple more pictures today.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> On Mon, 7 Sep 2009, Wilbert Hetterscheid wrote:
>>
>>> Oops, I noticed I wrote that the one in the picture without the leaf is
>>> Am.
>>> atroviridis but that was a slip of the braincell. It looks more like
>>> operculatus or like (hard to be sure without leaf).
>>>
>>> Sorry 'bout that, Steve.
>>>
>>> Wilbert
>>>
>>>
>>> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>>> > Van: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com
>>> > [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] Namens Steve Marak
>>> > Verzonden: donderdag 3 september 2009 8:45
>>> > Aan: Aroid list
>>> > Onderwerp: [Aroid-l] Two amorphophalluses ... amorphophalli
>>> > ... whatever
>>> >
>>> > Aroiders,
>>> >
>>> > I've barely been in the greenhouse this week, but I noticed a
>>> > stench in passing and investigation turned up these two.
>>> >
>>> > There are labels in the pots and I have no reason to doubt
>>> > them but would appreciate the opinions of the experts just as
>>> > confirmation - I have had aroid tubers move around
>>> > mysteriously now and then, and a lot happened in a short time
>>> > (with very little sleep) during the great ice storm.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Steve
>>> >
>>> > -- Steve Marak
>>> > -- samarak@gizmoworks.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> -- Steve Marak
>> -- samarak@gizmoworks.com
>
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From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" <hetter at xs4all.nl> on 2009.09.10 at 08:50:54(19988)
O.k., the new pics of the leaf do indeed resemble atroviridis but the flower
doesn't match. Are you QUITE sure the leaf and the flower are of the same
plant??? Send me the picture of the flowwer agaian privately
(hetter@xs4all.nl) and I'll check again.
Cheers,
Wilbert
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> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com
> [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] Namens Marek Argent
> Verzonden: woensdag 9 september 2009 0:53
> Aan: Discussion of aroids
> Onderwerp: Re: [Aroid-l] Two amorphophalluses ...
> amorphophalli ... whatever
>
> Wilbert,
>
> The petiole is smooth with white pattern and the leaf blade
> is velvety.
> This year it looks quite different than a year ago.
>
> I remember I was asking you last year (I asked what attacked
> the leaf) and you identified it as atroviridis.
>
> Last year it grew in the garden and the leaf was different
> (it was divided into ~20 lobes), this year it stayed at home
> on southern window, the leaf is larger, but has only 10 lobes
> and it's upper surface is velvety, the petiole is long and
> the pattern appeared (see the attached photos).
> The older photos you'll find in this page (The first photo
> doesn't show my
> plant):
> http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/amorphophallus/atrovir.htm
>
> Marek
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid"
> To: "Discussion of aroids"
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Two amorphophalluses ... amorphophalli
> ... whatever
>
>
> Hi too,
>
> Well Marek, yes, the plants look similar, but yours is not
> atroviridis, or
> I am suffering from "Amorphophalli Memorii-Degeneratio". I
> would check if
> your plant has a velvety hairy leaf-stalk. My guess is it
> will be smooth.
>
> Cheers,
> Wilbert
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > My atroviridis looks so (new photos attached) and here
> > http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/amorphophallus/atrovir.htm
> > I think it's the same species.
> >
> > Marek
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Marak"
> > To: "Discussion of aroids"
> > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Two amorphophalluses ...
> amorphophalli ... whatever
> >
> >
> >> Wilbert,
> >>
> >> No problem - I haven't had time to look at the tags yet anyway. I'd
> >> hoped
> >> to get to that, and a bunch of other things that need doing in the
> >> greenhouse, over the Labor Day holiday here in the US, but
> as usual I'm
> >> way behind.
> >>
> >> Attached is a picture of the leaf. Both the infloresence
> and the leaf
> >> are
> >> more open now, and I'll try to take a couple more pictures today.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> On Mon, 7 Sep 2009, Wilbert Hetterscheid wrote:
> >>
> >>> Oops, I noticed I wrote that the one in the picture
> without the leaf is
> >>> Am.
> >>> atroviridis but that was a slip of the braincell. It
> looks more like
> >>> operculatus or like (hard to be sure without leaf).
> >>>
> >>> Sorry 'bout that, Steve.
> >>>
> >>> Wilbert
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> >>> > Van: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com
> >>> > [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] Namens Steve Marak
> >>> > Verzonden: donderdag 3 september 2009 8:45
> >>> > Aan: Aroid list
> >>> > Onderwerp: [Aroid-l] Two amorphophalluses ... amorphophalli
> >>> > ... whatever
> >>> >
> >>> > Aroiders,
> >>> >
> >>> > I've barely been in the greenhouse this week, but I noticed a
> >>> > stench in passing and investigation turned up these two.
> >>> >
> >>> > There are labels in the pots and I have no reason to doubt
> >>> > them but would appreciate the opinions of the experts just as
> >>> > confirmation - I have had aroid tubers move around
> >>> > mysteriously now and then, and a lot happened in a short time
> >>> > (with very little sleep) during the great ice storm.
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks,
> >>> >
> >>> > Steve
> >>> >
> >>> > -- Steve Marak
> >>> > -- samarak@gizmoworks.com
> >>>
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> >> -- Steve Marak
> >> -- samarak@gizmoworks.com
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