Amorphophallus konjac or rivieri?

From: Susan B <honeybunny442 at yahoo.com> on 2010.02.10 at 04:02:18(20556) I see many people refer to konjac as rivieri. What is the story behind that? Is rivieri an old name, or what? Just curious.... HTML +More Susan --0-1933944001-1265774538=:12106----==============R95640014105099733=

From: ExoticRainforest <Steve at ExoticRainforest.com> on 2010.02.10 at 08:54:35(20557) Sorryabout that! Its 2:15 AM and my brain is not fully on! The accepted name is Amorphophalluskonjac K. Koch published in 1858. Amorphophallus rivieri Durieu ex Carrière was published1869 First publication wins the prize. Steve HTML +More ExoticRainforest wrote: Amorphophallus rivieri Durieu ex Carrière is a synonym forAmorphophallus konjac Durieu ex Carrière Amorphophallus konjac is the accepted name. Same plant. http://www.tropicos.org/NameAcceptedNames.aspx?nameid!00308 Steve www.ExoticRainforest.com Susan B wrote: I see many people refer to konjac as rivieri. What is the story behind that? Is rivieri an old name, or what? Just curious.... Susan _______________________________________________Aroid-L mailing listAroid-L@www.gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --------------070705090707030900000806

From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" <hetter at xs4all.nl> on 2010.02.10 at 09:33:28(20559) The fact is that the name A. konjac is older than rivieri and therefore has nomenclatural priority in use. Wilbert +More > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com > [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] Namens Susan B > Verzonden: woensdag 10 februari 2010 5:02 > Aan: Aroid L > Onderwerp: [Aroid-l] Amorphophallus konjac or rivieri? > > I see many people refer to konjac as rivieri. > > What is the story behind that? Is rivieri an old name, or what? > > Just curious.... > Susan > > > _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: ronmchatton at aol.com on 2010.02.10 at 12:51:29(20560) Amorphophallus konjac was first described by Schott as Conophallus konjac in 1856 and then as Amorphophallus konjac by Koch in 1858. The name Amorphophallus rivieri did not appear until 1870 giving Am. konjac priority. You can find a complete list of synonyms at the World Checklist of Monocotyledons http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/synonomy.do?accepted_id�90&repSynonym_id=-9998&name_id�90&status=true Ron McHatton +More Zone 9 Central Florida -----Original Message----- From: Susan B To: Aroid L Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:02 pm Subject: [Aroid-l] Amorphophallus konjac or rivieri? I see many people refer to konjac as rivieri. What is the story behind that? Is rivieri an old name, or what? Just curious.... Susan _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Ken Mosher <ken at spatulacity.com> on 2010.02.11 at 00:53:14(20567) rivieri is an old name. -Ken Susan B wrote: +More > I see many people refer to konjac as rivieri. > > What is the story behind that? Is rivieri an old name, or what? > > Just curious.... > Susan > > _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Peter Boyce <phymatarum at googlemail.com> on 2010.02.11 at 07:38:47(20568) The main point is that these two names are applied to the SAME biological entity that we term a species. In these instances the earliest name post 1 Jan. 1763 that is both effectively and validly published according the the current International Code of Botanical Nomenclature, has priority. If at some future point someone proves that in fact the taxon we call A. konjac indeed comprises TWO distinct entities AND if one of these entities is a good 'match' for the specimen that stands as the nomenclatural benchmark (Type) for the name A. rivieri then that name COULD be resurrected. Peter +More -----Original Message----- From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Ken Mosher Sent: Thursday, 11 February, 2010 8:53 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amorphophallus konjac or rivieri? rivieri is an old name. -Ken Susan B wrote: > I see many people refer to konjac as rivieri. > > What is the story behind that? Is rivieri an old name, or what? > > Just curious.... > Susan > > _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Susan B <honeybunny442 at yahoo.com> on 2010.02.12 at 03:58:15(20573) Ken, that's what I thought, but I seem to see it in use more and more often! Including Dave's Garden Plantfiles... I wanted to send them a note correcting them on the name (I've also seen it Am. rivieri var konjac) but wanted to check here first. I guess it's a bit of a pet peeve of mine! susan HTML +More --- On Wed, 2/10/10, Ken Mosher wrote: From: Ken Mosher Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amorphophallus konjac or rivieri? To: "Discussion of aroids" Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 7:53 PM rivieri is an old name. -Ken Susan B wrote: > I see many people refer to konjac as rivieri. > > What is the story behind that? Is rivieri an old name, or what? > > Just curious.... > Susan > > _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --0-637617989-1265947095=:8134----==============q02658499532609314=

From: Susan B <honeybunny442 at yahoo.com> on 2010.02.13 at 18:15:16(20584) Sorry Peter, I'm not following- could you reiterate for a "dummy"? Which name was published on Jan 1 1763? Susan HTML +More --- On Thu, 2/11/10, Peter Boyce wrote: From: Peter Boyce Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amorphophallus konjac or rivieri? To: "'Discussion of aroids'" Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 2:38 AM The main point is that these two names are applied to the SAME biological entity that we term a species. In these instances the earliest name post 1 Jan. 1763 that is both effectively and validly published according the the current International Code of Botanical Nomenclature, has priority. If at some future point someone proves that in fact the taxon we call A. konjac indeed comprises TWO distinct entities AND if one of these entities is a good 'match' for the specimen that stands as the nomenclatural benchmark (Type) for the name A. rivieri then that name COULD be resurrected. Peter -----Original Message----- From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Ken Mosher Sent: Thursday, 11 February, 2010 8:53 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amorphophallus konjac or rivieri? rivieri is an old name. -Ken Susan B wrote: > I see many people refer to konjac as rivieri. > > What is the story behind that? Is rivieri an old name, or what? > > Just curious.... > Susan > > _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --0-1173560647-1266084916=:53389----==============H87051071810743489=

From: Peter Boyce <phymatarum at googlemail.com> on 2010.02.15 at 06:27:48(20590) Hi Susan, For any botanical epithet to be accepted it must have been validly and effectively published on or after Jan. 1 1753 (sorry, typo in my first posting). This is the date that Linnaeus' Species Plantarum was first published in 1753 and which marks the starting point of plant nomenclature. This also means that the first names to be considered validly and effectively published in botany are those that appear in this book, and in Linnaeus' Genera Plantarum ed. 5 (1753). Zoology takes it's starting date as 1763 Pete +More From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Susan B Sent: Sunday, 14 February, 2010 2:15 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amorphophallus konjac or rivieri? Sorry Peter, I'm not following- could you reiterate for a "dummy"? Which name was published on Jan 1 1763? Susan --- On Thu, 2/11/10, Peter Boyce wrote: From: Peter Boyce Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amorphophallus konjac or rivieri? To: "'Discussion of aroids'" Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 2:38 AM The main point is that these two names are applied to the SAME biological entity that we term a species. In these instances the earliest name post 1 Jan. 1763 that is both effectively and validly published according the the current International Code of Botanical Nomenclature, has priority. If at some future point someone proves that in fact the taxon we call A. konjac indeed comprises TWO distinct entities AND if one of these entities is a good 'match' for the specimen that stands as the nomenclatural benchmark (Type) for the name A. rivieri then that name COULD be resurrected. Peter -----Original Message----- From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Ken Mosher Sent: Thursday, 11 February, 2010 8:53 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amorphophallus konjac or rivieri? rivieri is an old name. -Ken Susan B wrote: > I see many people refer to konjac as rivieri. > > What is the story behind that? Is rivieri an old name, or what? > > Just curious.... > Susan > > _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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