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  aroids as medicines including againt snake bite!
From: ExoticRainforest <Steve at ExoticRainforest.com> on 2010.03.27 at 12:56:12(20762)
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From: ExoticRainforest <Steve at ExoticRainforest.com> on 2010.03.27 at 12:56:12(20763)
I am curious if any of you know anything about theuse of aroids as a medicine. I have had a brief discussion with afriend in Ecuador about the possibility the oxalates in thejuices of some of some aroids counteracting the venom of snakes.

Pete Boyce has a mention of this in his paper A review of Alocasia(Araceae: Colocasieae) for Thailand including a novel species and newspecies records from South-West Thailand in regard to Alocasiacucullata and my friend in Ecuador explained Anthuriumspecies and other aroids that "bleed" white are used as an "ant-bite" while "clear bleeders" are considered to be better against snakes. InEcuador Caladium is also used by the Shuar and jungle Kichua totreat snakebites.

Julius, since you are our resident expert on Caladium, tell uswhat you know!

Steve

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From: "John" <criswick at spiceisle.com> on 2010.03.27 at 15:38:49(20764)
Steve, when I lived in Guyana I was told that the juice of the stems of
mucca-mucca Montrichardia arborescens stops bleeding. John.

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From: "John" <criswick at spiceisle.com> on 2010.03.27 at 15:38:49(20765)

Steve, when I lived in Guyana I was told that the juiceof the stems of mucca-mucca Montrichardiaarborescens stops bleeding. John.

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From: "Daniel Devor" <plantguy at zoominternet.net> on 2010.03.27 at 15:51:30(20766)
Hi Steve,

There is a HUGE market for Jergon Sacha (Dracontium) coming out of South
America for virtually everything that ails you and there have supposedly
even been some clinical trials I believe. If you Google either
Dracontium or Jergon Sacha you will find a wealth of information.

You can also buy powdered Amorphophallus konjac for all of your aches
and pains of course.

The real question is have there been any serious clinical trials to
substantiate these claims? I realize that these sorts of studies are
normally well behind the reality people know on the ground, but
ultimately I think they are required both for medicine and for making
people want to protect their native species.

Hope this helps your research!

By the way, Steve M., I recently tried to post a pic of my Dracontium
polyphyllum that is in bloom, but it never seems to have made it
through......any ideas on why this is?

Dan

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From: "Daniel Devor" <plantguy at zoominternet.net> on 2010.03.27 at 15:51:30(20767)
Hi Steve,

There is a HUGE market for Jergon Sacha (Dracontium) coming out of South America for virtually everything that ails you and there have supposedly even been some clinical trials I believe. If you Google either Dracontium or Jergon Sacha you will find a wealth of information.

You can also buy powdered Amorphophallus konjac for all of your aches and pains of course.

The real question is have there been any serious clinical trials to substantiate these claims? I realize that these sorts of studies are normally well behind the reality people know on the ground, but ultimately I think they are required both for medicine and for making people want to protect their native species.

Hope this helps your research!

By the way, Steve M., I recently tried to post a pic of my Dracontium polyphyllum that is in bloom, but it never seems to have made it through......any ideas on why this is?

Dan

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From: <pbunch at cox.net> on 2010.03.27 at 15:54:54(20768)
IÂÂ ´ll ask around here. One of my neighbors told me that Monstera deliciosa is used medicinally but I doÂÂ ´t recall for what. IÂÂ ´ll ask him when I see him. I can also check with the local herb sellers. They wonÂÂ ´t know the Latin names but will recognize aroids as a group and some species.

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From: <pbunch at cox.net> on 2010.03.27 at 15:54:54(20769)
IÂÂ ´ll ask around here. One of my neighbors told me that Monstera deliciosa is used medicinally but I doÂÂ ´t recall for what. IÂÂ ´ll ask him when I see him. I can also check with the local herb sellers. They wonÂÂ ´t know the Latin names but will recognize aroids as a group and some species.

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From: "Daniel Devor" <plantguy at zoominternet.net> on 2010.03.27 at 16:04:22(20770)
Steve, a quick follow-up from pub-med on Dracontium gives the following
hits that may be relevant....there were a couple of others that were
not. The first 2 deal with anti-venom properties as you can see from
the titles and the third looks at immunomodulation.

Not a lot in the classic scientific literature, but lots from
traditional healing sorts of reports as I mentioned in my last post.

Good luck,

Dan

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From: STARSELL at aol.com on 2010.03.27 at 16:07:57(20771)
Dear Steve,

The responses so far are anecdotal, which is not bad.

A most useful tool that I use almost daily: scholar.google.com
Entering "aroid treat snakebite" I get some useful returns, one is
this reference:

WALTER & KHANNA: CHEMISTRY OF THE AROIDS ... necrosis and destruction
of small blood vessels producing hemorrhage such as at the site of a snake
bite. ...

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From: STARSELL at aol.com on 2010.03.27 at 16:07:57(20772)
Dear Steve,

The responses so far are anecdotal, which is not bad.

A most useful tool that I use almost daily: scholar.google.com

Entering "aroid treat snakebite" I get some useful returns, one is

this reference:

WALTER & KHANNA: CHEMISTRY OF THE AROIDS ... necrosis and destruction
of small blood vessels producing hemorrhage such as at the site of a snake bite. ...

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=aroid+treat+snakebite&hl=en&as_sdt=20000000001&as_sdtp=on

Try looking through some of those or try different keywords

to get a different result.

Let us know what looks most interesting!

Alison

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From: <ju-bo at msn.com> on 2010.03.28 at 12:53:38(20777)
Dear Steve and Friends

I can think of three GOOD references.
Our ''mentor'' Dr. Croat published a paper on the use of Aroids as medicine
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The second is within the review of the genus Dracontium by Tom Croat and th
e late Guang Hua Zhu. In this publication the genus has so many reference
s to different species of Dracontium being used as ''cures'' for different
species of snake mainly the genus Bothrops that many of the Dracontiu
m sps. carry the same native names as the native names for the Bothrops sp.
associated with the cure!

The third is "The Snakes of Trinidad and Tobago" (Amazon.com) by Hans Boos.
On Trinidad there is widespread belief that Dracontium asperum (and to a
lesser extent the leaves/stems/tubers of Caladium bicolor) are a ''cure''
for the terrible bites of the two large vipers found on that Island Both
rops atrox (fer de Lance) and Lachesis muta (bushmaster). It seems that th
is follows the old belief that a cure would be found in a ''natural'' plant
which resembles the snake and the petioles of Dracontium (and some cult
ivars of wild-growing C. bicolor) are certainly very snake/Bothrops-like in
their patterns and colors.

I don`t believe any scientific testing has been done to determine if an app
lication of a poltice of crushed Dracontium or Caladium tuber and petioles
was effective in any way to alleviate the terrible symptoms of a true Bothr
ops bite.

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From: <ju-bo at msn.com> on 2010.03.28 at 12:53:38(20778)
Dear Steve and Friends,

I can think of three GOOD references.
Our ''mentor'' Dr. Croat published a paper on the use of Aroids as medicine. 

The second is within the review of the genus Dracontium by Tom Croat and the late Guang Hua Zhu.   In this publication the genus has so many references to different species of Dracontium being used as ''cures'' for different species of snake, mainly the genus Bothrops, that many of the Dracontium sps. carry the same native names as the native names for the Bothrops sp. associated with the cure!

The third is "The Snakes of Trinidad and Tobago" (Amazon.com) by Hans Boos.  On Trinidad there is widespread belief that Dracontium asperum (and to a lesser  extent the leaves/stems/tubers of Caladium bicolor) are a ''cure'' for the terrible bites of the two large vipers found on that Island, Bothrops atrox (fer de Lance) and Lachesis muta (bushmaster).  It seems that this follows the old belief that a cure would be found in a ''natural'' plant which resembles the snake, and the petioles of Dracontium (and some cultivars of wild-growing C. bicolor) are certainly very snake/Bothrops-like in their patterns and colors. 

I don`t believe any scientific testing has been done to determine if an application of a poltice of crushed Dracontium or Caladium tuber and petioles was effective in any way to alleviate the terrible symptoms of a true Bothrops bite.

Sincerely,

Julius Boos.

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From: ExoticRainforest <Steve at ExoticRainforest.com> on 2010.03.29 at 01:08:00(20785)
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From: ExoticRainforest <Steve at ExoticRainforest.com> on 2010.03.29 at 01:08:00(20786)
Sorry I am slow to begin to answer any of these. Wehave been out of town for two days but I will read all of this ASAP.

Thanks for the responses.

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From: ExoticRainforest <Steve at ExoticRainforest.com> on 2010.03.29 at 14:05:50(20790)
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From: ExoticRainforest <Steve at ExoticRainforest.com> on 2010.03.29 at 17:05:42(20791)
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