examples of botanical nomenclature

From: Steve Marak <samarak at gizmoworks.com> on 2010.10.01 at 16:12:25(21519) Aroiders, This appeal for help is somewhat off-topic, so please excuse it (and delete it, if you're not interested). I'm looking for examples of a couple of things in the area of botanical nomenclature, and I can think of no better group to ask than the people on this list. The first is the most complex example of a valid (and preferably, currently accepted) name, of any plant (i.e., not restricted to aroids), whether that complexity comes from ranks below species or multiple authorities or both. One of the best ones I have now is: Paphiopedilum barbigerum Tang & Wang var. coccineum (Perner & Herrm.) Cavestro which conveniently (for me) even has a synonym, but I'm looking for something even more complex, if it exists. Knowing the publication would be nice, too, but is not essential for what I'm after. (Examples of similar complexity to the above but using other ranks - subsp., f., etc. - would also be appreciated.) The second question is what plant, again regardless of family, has the most synonyms? I'm aware of one poor orchid with, if I counted correctly, 55, but I suspect there are plants even more confused about their identities out there. For my purposes I'm concerned only with whether the name now appears as a synonym of the currently accepted name and not so much how it got there (i.e., whether it was validly published and later reduced to synonomy, nom. illeg., etc). I realize that whatever the answer is, it can change, but again that's not a concern for me at the moment. All help or pointers to good places to find the answer myself will be appreciated. I've spent plenty of time on Tropicos, IPNI, etc., but my oddball questions are not easily answered with those tools - or perhaps I just don't know how to ask them. Steve +More -- Steve Marak -- samarak@gizmoworks.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Tom Croat" <Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2010.10.01 at 18:25:49(21520) Dear Steve: I think that you will have a hard time coming up with something with more than 55 synonyms. If you do it will be some widespread taxon, like Poa annua, a grass. It would have to be one that is variable and ranges all over the world. Most aroids are too endemic to have many synonyms. Tom +More -----Original Message----- From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Steve Marak Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 11:12 AM To: Aroid list Subject: [Aroid-l] Off-topic: examples of botanical nomenclature Aroiders, This appeal for help is somewhat off-topic, so please excuse it (and delete it, if you're not interested). I'm looking for examples of a couple of things in the area of botanical nomenclature, and I can think of no better group to ask than the people on this list. The first is the most complex example of a valid (and preferably, currently accepted) name, of any plant (i.e., not restricted to aroids), whether that complexity comes from ranks below species or multiple authorities or both. One of the best ones I have now is: Paphiopedilum barbigerum Tang & Wang var. coccineum (Perner & Herrm.) Cavestro which conveniently (for me) even has a synonym, but I'm looking for something even more complex, if it exists. Knowing the publication would be nice, too, but is not essential for what I'm after. (Examples of similar complexity to the above but using other ranks - subsp., f., etc. - would also be appreciated.) The second question is what plant, again regardless of family, has the most synonyms? I'm aware of one poor orchid with, if I counted correctly, 55, but I suspect there are plants even more confused about their identities out there. For my purposes I'm concerned only with whether the name now appears as a synonym of the currently accepted name and not so much how it got there (i.e., whether it was validly published and later reduced to synonomy, nom. illeg., etc). I realize that whatever the answer is, it can change, but again that's not a concern for me at the moment. All help or pointers to good places to find the answer myself will be appreciated. I've spent plenty of time on Tropicos, IPNI, etc., but my oddball questions are not easily answered with those tools - or perhaps I just don't know how to ask them. Steve -- Steve Marak -- samarak@gizmoworks.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Johannes Moonen <emeraldjunglevillage at wanadoo.fr> on 2010.10.01 at 19:28:31(21522) Dear Steve, the plant with the most synonyms I know is a common good sized neotropical orchid Epidendrum nocturnum. I think in old colonial times all botanists and plant collectors found it and everybody described it separately in different universities the home countries Spain, Portugal, Brittain, Holland etc. Best whishes, Joep +More On Oct 1, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Steve Marak wrote: > > Aroiders, > > This appeal for help is somewhat off-topic, so please excuse it (and > delete it, if you're not interested). > > I'm looking for examples of a couple of things in the area of > botanical > nomenclature, and I can think of no better group to ask than the > people on > this list. > > The first is the most complex example of a valid (and preferably, > currently accepted) name, of any plant (i.e., not restricted to > aroids), > whether that complexity comes from ranks below species or multiple > authorities or both. One of the best ones I have now is: > > Paphiopedilum barbigerum Tang & Wang var. coccineum (Perner & Herrm.) > Cavestro > > which conveniently (for me) even has a synonym, but I'm looking for > something even more complex, if it exists. Knowing the publication > would > be nice, too, but is not essential for what I'm after. (Examples of > similar complexity to the above but using other ranks - subsp., f., > etc. - > would also be appreciated.) > > The second question is what plant, again regardless of family, has the > most synonyms? I'm aware of one poor orchid with, if I counted > correctly, > 55, but I suspect there are plants even more confused about their > identities out there. For my purposes I'm concerned only with > whether the > name now appears as a synonym of the currently accepted name and not > so > much how it got there (i.e., whether it was validly published and > later > reduced to synonomy, nom. illeg., etc). I realize that whatever > the answer is, it can change, but again that's not a concern for me > at the > moment. > > All help or pointers to good places to find the answer myself will be > appreciated. I've spent plenty of time on Tropicos, IPNI, etc., but my > oddball questions are not easily answered with those tools - or > perhaps I > just don't know how to ask them. > > Steve > > -- Steve Marak > -- samarak@gizmoworks.com > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Hannon <othonna at gmail.com> on 2010.10.01 at 22:42:31(21524) Steve, At the family level probably none exceeds the Cactaceae for ratio of synonyms to accepted names-- both at the genus and species levels. There are also plenty of trinomials and doubtless some quadrinomials. The new cactus lexicon and Edward F. Anderson's "The Cactus Family" are good places to browse. Dylan +More On 01/10/2010, Steve Marak wrote: > Aroiders, > > This appeal for help is somewhat off-topic, so please excuse it (and > delete it, if you're not interested). > > I'm looking for examples of a couple of things in the area of botanical > nomenclature, and I can think of no better group to ask than the people on > this list. > > The first is the most complex example of a valid (and preferably, > currently accepted) name, of any plant (i.e., not restricted to aroids), > whether that complexity comes from ranks below species or multiple > authorities or both. One of the best ones I have now is: > > Paphiopedilum barbigerum Tang & Wang var. coccineum (Perner & Herrm.) > Cavestro > > which conveniently (for me) even has a synonym, but I'm looking for > something even more complex, if it exists. Knowing the publication would > be nice, too, but is not essential for what I'm after. (Examples of > similar complexity to the above but using other ranks - subsp., f., etc. - > would also be appreciated.) > > The second question is what plant, again regardless of family, has the > most synonyms? I'm aware of one poor orchid with, if I counted correctly, > 55, but I suspect there are plants even more confused about their > identities out there. For my purposes I'm concerned only with whether the > name now appears as a synonym of the currently accepted name and not so > much how it got there (i.e., whether it was validly published and later > reduced to synonomy, nom. illeg., etc). I realize that whatever > the answer is, it can change, but again that's not a concern for me at the > moment. > > All help or pointers to good places to find the answer myself will be > appreciated. I've spent plenty of time on Tropicos, IPNI, etc., but my > oddball questions are not easily answered with those tools - or perhaps I > just don't know how to ask them. > > Steve > > > -- Steve Marak > -- samarak@gizmoworks.com > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > -- Labour to keep alive in your breast that little spark of celestial fire,--- conscience. - George Washington, from his copy-book when a schoolboy _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Hannon <othonna at gmail.com> on 2010.10.02 at 00:02:54(21525) Mark, I think this is an example of what you are after? Sessilanthera latifolia (Weath.) Molseed & Cruden ssp. heliantha (Ravenna) Molseed & Cruden Try searching on the 'net with "botanical quadrinomial" with or without adding "ssp." +More Dylan On 01/10/2010, Steve Marak wrote: > Aroiders, > > This appeal for help is somewhat off-topic, so please excuse it (and > delete it, if you're not interested). > > I'm looking for examples of a couple of things in the area of botanical > nomenclature, and I can think of no better group to ask than the people on > this list. > > The first is the most complex example of a valid (and preferably, > currently accepted) name, of any plant (i.e., not restricted to aroids), > whether that complexity comes from ranks below species or multiple > authorities or both. One of the best ones I have now is: > > Paphiopedilum barbigerum Tang & Wang var. coccineum (Perner & Herrm.) > Cavestro > > which conveniently (for me) even has a synonym, but I'm looking for > something even more complex, if it exists. Knowing the publication would > be nice, too, but is not essential for what I'm after. (Examples of > similar complexity to the above but using other ranks - subsp., f., etc. - > would also be appreciated.) > > The second question is what plant, again regardless of family, has the > most synonyms? I'm aware of one poor orchid with, if I counted correctly, > 55, but I suspect there are plants even more confused about their > identities out there. For my purposes I'm concerned only with whether the > name now appears as a synonym of the currently accepted name and not so > much how it got there (i.e., whether it was validly published and later > reduced to synonomy, nom. illeg., etc). I realize that whatever > the answer is, it can change, but again that's not a concern for me at the > moment. > > All help or pointers to good places to find the answer myself will be > appreciated. I've spent plenty of time on Tropicos, IPNI, etc., but my > oddball questions are not easily answered with those tools - or perhaps I > just don't know how to ask them. > > Steve > > > -- Steve Marak > -- samarak@gizmoworks.com > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > -- Labour to keep alive in your breast that little spark of celestial fire,--- conscience. - George Washington, from his copy-book when a schoolboy _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Eric Walton <eric.walton at otago.ac.nz> on 2010.10.02 at 05:23:24(21528) Dear All According to Kew's World Checklist, Canna indica has 134 synonyns. While I am typing anybody know a source of Canna liliiflora? Please e-mail me privately. Kind regards Eric Walton +More New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Steve Marak Sent: Saturday, 2 October 2010 5:12 a.m. To: Aroid list Subject: [Aroid-l] Off-topic: examples of botanical nomenclature Aroiders, This appeal for help is somewhat off-topic, so please excuse it (and delete it, if you're not interested). I'm looking for examples of a couple of things in the area of botanical nomenclature, and I can think of no better group to ask than the people on this list. The first is the most complex example of a valid (and preferably, currently accepted) name, of any plant (i.e., not restricted to aroids), whether that complexity comes from ranks below species or multiple authorities or both. One of the best ones I have now is: Paphiopedilum barbigerum Tang & Wang var. coccineum (Perner & Herrm.) Cavestro which conveniently (for me) even has a synonym, but I'm looking for something even more complex, if it exists. Knowing the publication would be nice, too, but is not essential for what I'm after. (Examples of similar complexity to the above but using other ranks - subsp., f., etc. - would also be appreciated.) The second question is what plant, again regardless of family, has the most synonyms? I'm aware of one poor orchid with, if I counted correctly, 55, but I suspect there are plants even more confused about their identities out there. For my purposes I'm concerned only with whether the name now appears as a synonym of the currently accepted name and not so much how it got there (i.e., whether it was validly published and later reduced to synonomy, nom. illeg., etc). I realize that whatever the answer is, it can change, but again that's not a concern for me at the moment. All help or pointers to good places to find the answer myself will be appreciated. I've spent plenty of time on Tropicos, IPNI, etc., but my oddball questions are not easily answered with those tools - or perhaps I just don't know how to ask them. Steve -- Steve Marak -- samarak@gizmoworks.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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