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Urgent Request from Tom Croat,
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From: Steve Marak <samarak at gizmoworks.com> on 2010.10.28 at 04:30:42(21581)
Aroiders,
The message below is from Tom Croat, who is having problems getting it
sent to the list, so I've forwarded it.
(Note that if you just reply to this message, it won't go to Tom, but
rather to either the entire list [most likely] or me. I will of course
forward anything that comes to me to Tom, but just be aware that if you
want to communicate with Tom directly you'll have to change the address
manually to Tom's e-mail, Thomas.Croat@mobot.org )
Steve
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:58:53 -0500
From: Tom Croat
Subject: Urgent Request to List members, a strange new collection
Dear Aroiders:
I have described a plant collected in a remote habitat near
the Brazilian border in Peru. It was collected by a friend in California
who has been growing it as an acuatic. It has a definitely creeping stem,
rather short petioles and in many respects looks like Aglaonema costatum.
It keyed out to Bognera and I assumed that it was a member of that genus
but Eduardo Gonçalves has some doubts and is wondering if it could have
been an escaped horticultural collection. Although that seems somewhat
unlikely I would like to see any images that any of you might have of
Aglaonema costatum in order to make a better judement. It would be
especially useful to see a close up of the spadix if any of you have that
species in flower at this time.
Thanks in advance for any help that anyone can render.
Tom Croat
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From: santoury at aol.com on 2010.10.28 at 04:40:42(21582)
Good evening,
I don't know how many of you were at the Miami IAS show, but there was one vendor selling Aglaonema costatum. I bought the "mother plant" and will be happy to take pictures. I do not know if there are any flowers hiding beneath the foliage, but I will check tomorrow. I wonder, does anybody else grow this plant? It was the first time I had seen this, and of course had to have it.
Tom, did you see this plant? If so, do you still desire photos?
Best, Jude
(Note that if you just reply to this message, it won't go to Tom, but rather to either the entire list [most likely] or me. I will of course forward anything that comes to me to Tom, but just be aware that if you want to communicate with Tom directly you'll have to change the address manually to Tom's e-mail, Thomas..Croat@mobot.org )
Steve
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:58:53 -0500
From: Tom Croat
Subject: Urgent Request to List members, a strange new collection
Dear Aroiders:
I have described a plant collected in a remote habitat near the Brazilian border in Peru. It was collected by a friend in California who has been growing it as an acuatic. It has a definitely creeping stem, rather short petioles and in many respects looks like Aglaonema costatum. It keyed out to Bognera and I assumed that it was a member of that genus but Eduardo Gonçalves has some doubts and is wondering if it could have been an escaped horticultural collection. Although that seems somewhat unlikely I would like to see any images that any of you might have of Aglaonema costatum in order to make a better judement. It would be especially useful to see a close up of the spadix if any of you have that species in flower at this time.
Thanks in advance for any help that anyone can render.
Tom Croat
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From: Peter Boyce <phymatarum at googlemail.com> on 2010.10.28 at 04:48:40(21583)
Tom,
This IS a new Bognera.
Josef knows all about this. He mentioned it to me on the phone only last week.
Pete
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From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Steve Marak
Sent: Thursday, 28 October, 2010 12:31 PM
To: Aroid list
Subject: [Aroid-l] Urgent Request from Tom Croat, a strange new collection (fwd)
Aroiders,
The message below is from Tom Croat, who is having problems getting it sent to the list, so I've forwarded it.
(Note that if you just reply to this message, it won't go to Tom, but rather to either the entire list [most likely] or me. I will of course forward anything that comes to me to Tom, but just be aware that if you want to communicate with Tom directly you'll have to change the address manually to Tom's e-mail, Thomas.Croat@mobot.org )
Steve
-- Steve Marak
-- samarak@gizmoworks.com
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:58:53 -0500
From: Tom Croat
Subject: Urgent Request to List members, a strange new collection
Dear Aroiders:
I have described a plant collected in a remote habitat near the Brazilian border in Peru. It was collected by a friend in California who has been growing it as an acuatic. It has a definitely creeping stem, rather short petioles and in many respects looks like Aglaonema costatum.
It keyed out to Bognera and I assumed that it was a member of that genus but Eduardo Gonçalves has some doubts and is wondering if it could have been an escaped horticultural collection. Although that seems somewhat unlikely I would like to see any images that any of you might have of Aglaonema costatum in order to make a better judement. It would be especially useful to see a close up of the spadix if any of you have that species in flower at this time.
Thanks in advance for any help that anyone can render.
Tom Croat
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From: santoury at aol.com on 2010.10.28 at 05:17:50(21584)
Hi guys
I did a quick google on Aglaonema costatum, and all I come up with are all these fancy cultivars.
The mother plant, labeled A. costatum, from the IAS show has a growth habit and foliage that looks EXACTLY like Aspidistra lurida Milky Way. Did the vendor forget to label a specific cultivar name on this plant? Or is this the true, unmolested, natural species? (With all those lovely yellow dots.)
So, does anybody have a Bognera to trade? :)
Jude
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-----Original Message-----
From: santoury@aol.com
To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com; thomas.croat@mobot.org
Sent: Thu, Oct 28, 2010 12:40 am
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Urgent Request from Tom Croat, a strange new collection (fwd)
Good evening,
I don't know how many of you were at the Miami IAS show, but there was one vendor selling Aglaonema costatum. I bought the "mother plant" and will be happy to take pictures. I do not know if there are any flowers hiding beneath the foliage, but I will check tomorrow. I wonder, does anybody else grow this plant? It was the first time I had seen this, and of course had to have it.
Tom, did you see this plant? If so, do you still desire photos?
Best, Jude
(Note that if you just reply to this message, it won't go to Tom, but rather to either the entire list [most likely] or me. I will of course forward anything that comes to me to Tom, but just be aware that if you want to communicate with Tom directly you'll have to change the address manually to Tom's e-mail, Thomas..Croat@mobot.org )
Steve
-- Steve Marak
-- samarak@gizmoworks.com
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:58:53 -0500
From: Tom Croat
Subject: Urgent Request to List members, a strange new collection
Dear Aroiders:
I have described a plant collected in a remote habitat near the Brazilian border in Peru. It was collected by a friend in California who has been growing it as an acuatic. It has a definitely creeping stem, rather short petioles and in many respects looks like Aglaonema costatum. It keyed out to Bognera and I assumed that it was a member of that genus but Eduardo Gonçalves has some doubts and is wondering if it could have been an escaped horticultural collection. Although that seems somewhat unlikely I would like to see any images that any of you might have of Aglaonema costatum in order to make a better judement. It would be especially useful to see a close up of the spadix if any of you have that species in flower at this time.
Thanks in advance for any help that anyone can render.
Tom Croat
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From: "Eduardo" <eduardo.goncalves at inhotim.org.br> on 2010.10.28 at 23:56:16(21587)
Dear Peter,
The hypothesis of an escaped Aglaonema (quite common in some
places in Amazonia) is just a clue to check on it, not a final word. Indians
use to keep beautiful plants with them as charms (“beenasâ€, as
Julius would love to mention) and many cultivated exotic species can be found
in abandoned settlements (including sansevieras and variegated Colocasia).
Anyhow, discarding this hypothesis and considering many aspects, it could even be
something else. In my opinion (only based on a limited set of pictures,
together with a description) it doesn´t seem to be closer to Bognera than to
any other “philodendroid†genus. However, considering that Bognera
is monospecific, we simply know nothing about acceptable intraspecific
variation. The “third†species of Bognera from Northern Brazil has
just proven to be a brand new genus! (confirmed by molecular phylogeny)
Dear Tom,
Tomorrow I will check if our A. costatum is flowering and, if
so, I will send you a picture. But there is a nice close up of the
inflorescence of this species in
href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Aglaonema_costatum_003.JPG">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Aglaonema_costatum_003.JPG .. It is impossible to see female flowers, but you can compare with your picture
(they are both at the male phase). It would also be useful to send your picture
to Peter. He knows Asian genera pretty well and his opinion would be really
important.
Very best wishes,
Eduardo.
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INHOTIM
Dr.
EDUARDO G. GONÇALVES
Curador Botânico
Jardim Botânico
Rua B, 20
35460-000 | Brumadinho | MG | Brasil
+55 31 3571.6638 Ramal Fixo 107
+55 31 9604.8618 Ramal 380
Rua
Antônio de Albuquerque, 215 | Funcionários
30112-010 | Belo Horizonte | MG | Brasil
+55 31 3223.8224
Antes de imprimir,
pense em sua responsabilidade com o Meio Ambiente.
De:
aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] Em
nome de Peter Boyce
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 28 de outubro de 2010 02:49
Para: 'Discussion of aroids'; 'Aroid list'; 'Tom Croat'; Josef Bogner;
'Steve Marak'
Assunto: Re: [Aroid-l] Urgent Request from Tom Croat, a strange new
collection (fwd)
Prioridade: Alta
Tom,
This IS a new Bognera.
Josef knows all
about this. He mentioned it to me on the phone only last
week.
Pete
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Message-----
From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [
href="mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com">mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Marak
Sent: Thursday, 28 October, 2010 12:31 PM
To: Aroid list
Subject: [Aroid-l] Urgent Request from Tom Croat, a strange new collection
(fwd)
Aroiders,
The message
below is from Tom Croat, who is having problems getting it sent to the list, so
I've forwarded it.
(Note that if
you just reply to this message, it won't go to Tom, but rather to either the
entire list [most likely] or me. I will of course forward anything that comes
to me to Tom, but just be aware that if you want to communicate with Tom
directly you'll have to change the address manually to Tom's e-mail,
Thomas.Croat@mobot.org )
Steve
-- Steve Marak
--
samarak@gizmoworks.com
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Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 27 Oct
2010 17:58:53 -0500
From: Tom Croat
Subject: Urgent
Request to List members, a strange new collection
Dear Aroiders:
I have described a plant collected in a remote habitat near the Brazilian
border in Peru. It was collected by a friend in California who has been
growing it as an acuatic. It has a definitely creeping stem, rather short
petioles and in many respects looks like Aglaonema costatum.
It keyed out to
Bognera and I assumed that it was a member of that genus but Eduardo Gonçalves
has some doubts and is wondering if it could have been an escaped horticultural
collection. Although that seems somewhat unlikely I would like to see any
images that any of you might have of Aglaonema costatum in order to make a better
judement. It would be especially useful to see a close up of the spadix
if any of you have that species in flower at this time.
Thanks in advance for any help that anyone can render.
Tom Croat
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From: "Tom Croat" <Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2010.11.02 at 01:53:11(21611)
Dear all:
My Internet Explorer is not working
right now. We just got the review copies of this paper describing this “newâ€
species and I think I will ask Norbert Killian to postpone publishing this
until I can research this further. I will try to send images to Pete and will
study the image you linked below as soon as my system works. Meanwhile I am
hoping that our plants flower again so that I can get more details. Eduardo,
since you probably know this thing best by now and have described this related
genus I will send you the pickled inflorescence. Would it get to you if I
mailed it?
Tom
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From: Eduardo
[mailto:eduardo.goncalves@inhotim.org.br]
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010
6:56 PM
To: 'Discussion
of aroids'; 'Aroid list'; Tom Croat;
'Josef Bogner'; 'Steve Marak'
Subject: RES: [Aroid-l] Urgent
Request from Tom Croat, a strange
new collection (fwd)
Dear Peter,
The
hypothesis of an escaped Aglaonema (quite common in some places in Amazonia) is just a clue to check on it, not a final
word. Indians use to keep beautiful plants with them as charms
(“beenasâ€, as Julius would love to mention) and many cultivated
exotic species can be found in abandoned settlements (including sansevieras and
variegated Colocasia). Anyhow, discarding this hypothesis and considering many
aspects, it could even be something else. In my opinion (only based on a limited
set of pictures, together with a description) it doesn´t seem to be closer to
Bognera than to any other “philodendroid†genus. However,
considering that Bognera is monospecific, we simply know nothing about
acceptable intraspecific variation. The “third†species of Bognera
from Northern Brazil has just proven to be a
brand new genus! (confirmed by molecular phylogeny)
Dear Tom,
Tomorrow I will
check if our A. costatum is flowering and, if so, I will send you a picture.
But there is a nice close up of the inflorescence of this species in
href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Aglaonema_costatum_003.JPG">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Aglaonema_costatum_003.JPG
.. It is impossible to see female flowers, but you can compare with your picture
(they are both at the male phase). It would also be useful to send your picture
to Peter. He knows Asian genera pretty well and his opinion would be really
important.
Very best wishes,
Eduardo.
INHOTIM
Dr. EDUARDO G. GONÇALVES
Curador Botânico
Jardim Botânico
Rua B, 20
35460-000 | Brumadinho | MG | Brasil
+55 31 3571.6638 Ramal Fixo
107 +55 31 9604.8618
Ramal 380
Rua Antônio de Albuquerque,
215 | Funcionários
30112-010 | Belo Horizonte | MG | Brasil
+55 31 3223.8224
Antes de imprimir, pense em sua
responsabilidade com o Meio Ambiente.
De:
aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] Em nome de Peter Boyce
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 28 de
outubro de 2010 02:49
Para: 'Discussion
of aroids'; 'Aroid list'; 'Tom
Croat'; Josef Bogner; 'Steve Marak'
Assunto: Re: [Aroid-l] Urgent
Request from Tom Croat, a strange
new collection (fwd)
Prioridade: Alta
Tom,
This IS a new Bognera.
Josef knows all about this. He mentioned it to
me on the phone only last week.
Pete
-----Original
Message-----
From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [
href="mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com">mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Marak
Sent: Thursday, 28 October, 2010 12:31 PM
To: Aroid list
Subject: [Aroid-l] Urgent Request from Tom Croat,
a strange new collection (fwd)
Aroiders,
The message below is from Tom
Croat, who is having problems getting it sent to the list, so
I've forwarded it.
(Note that if you just reply to this message, it won't go
to Tom, but rather to either the entire list [most likely] or me. I will of
course forward anything that comes to me to Tom, but just be aware that if you
want to communicate with Tom directly you'll have to change the address
manually to Tom's e-mail, Thomas.Croat@mobot.org )
Steve
-- Steve Marak
-- samarak@gizmoworks.com
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:58:53 -0500
From: Tom Croat
Subject: Urgent Request to List members, a strange new
collection
Dear Aroiders:
I have described a plant collected in a remote habitat near the Brazilian
border in Peru.
It was collected by a friend in California
who has been growing it as an acuatic. It has a definitely creeping stem,
rather short petioles and in many respects looks like Aglaonema costatum.
It keyed out to Bognera and I assumed that it was a member
of that genus but Eduardo Gonçalves has some doubts and is wondering if it
could have been an escaped horticultural collection. Although that seems
somewhat unlikely I would like to see any images that any of you might have of
Aglaonema costatum in order to make a better judement. It would be
especially useful to see a close up of the spadix if any of you have that
species in flower at this time.
Thanks in advance for any help that anyone can render.
Tom Croat
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From: Peter Boyce <phymatarum at googlemail.com> on 2010.11.02 at 02:33:09(21615)
Dear Eduardo & Tom,
If the image in the pot is THE plant then it is very
convincingly Aglaonema. Note the weak pulvinus. All Aglaonema have a pulvunis
in that position. Asian Homalomena are all pulvinate, but the pulvinus is virtually
always ca 1/2– 1/3 up the petiole (from the base – exceptions include H.
crassinervia and a handful of new species, but this plant is none of them.
Eduardo: Very good to hear that you are also generating a slew
of new genera – makes us here in Asia feel less lonely/outlandish!
P.
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From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com
[mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Croat
Sent: Tuesday, 2 November, 2010 9:53 AM
To: Eduardo; Discussion of aroids; Aroid list; Josef Bogner; Steve Marak
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Urgent Request from Tom Croat, a strange new
collection (fwd)
Dear all:
My Internet Explorer is not working right now. We just got the review
copies of this paper describing this “new†species and I think I will ask
Norbert Killian to postpone publishing this until I can research this further.
I will try to send images to Pete and will study the image you linked
below as soon as my system works. Meanwhile I am hoping that our plants
flower again so that I can get more details. Eduardo, since you probably
know this thing best by now and have described this related genus I will send
you the pickled inflorescence. Would it get to you if I mailed it?
Tom
From: Eduardo
[mailto:eduardo.goncalves@inhotim.org.br]
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 6:56 PM
To: 'Discussion of aroids'; 'Aroid list'; Tom Croat; 'Josef Bogner';
'Steve Marak'
Subject: RES: [Aroid-l] Urgent Request from Tom Croat, a strange new
collection (fwd)
Dear Peter,
The
hypothesis of an escaped Aglaonema (quite common in some places in Amazonia) is
just a clue to check on it, not a final word. Indians use to keep
beautiful plants with them as charms (“beenasâ€, as Julius would love to
mention) and many cultivated exotic species can be found in abandoned
settlements (including sansevieras and variegated Colocasia). Anyhow,
discarding this hypothesis and considering many aspects, it could even be
something else. In my opinion (only based on a limited set of pictures,
together with a description) it doesn´t seem to be closer to Bognera than to
any other “philodendroid†genus. However, considering that Bognera is
monospecific, we simply know nothing about acceptable intraspecific variation.
The “third†species of Bognera from Northern Brazil has just proven to be a
brand new genus! (confirmed by molecular phylogeny)
Dear Tom,
Tomorrow I will check if our A. costatum is flowering and, if
so, I will send you a picture. But there is a nice close up of the
inflorescence of this species in
href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Aglaonema_costatum_003.JPG">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Aglaonema_costatum_003.JPG
.. It is impossible to see female flowers, but you can compare with your picture
(they are both at the male phase). It would also be useful to send your picture
to Peter. He knows Asian genera pretty well and his opinion would be really
important.
Very best wishes,
Eduardo.
INHOTIM
Dr. EDUARDO G. GONÇALVES
Curador
Botânico
Jardim
Botânico
Rua B, 20
35460-000 | Brumadinho | MG | Brasil
+55 31 3571.6638 Ramal Fixo
107 +55 31 9604.8618
Ramal 380
Rua Antônio de Albuquerque, 215 | Funcionários
30112-010 | Belo Horizonte | MG | Brasil
+55 31 3223.8224
Antes
de imprimir, pense em sua responsabilidade com o Meio Ambiente.
De: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com
[mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] Em nome de Peter Boyce
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 28 de outubro de 2010 02:49
Para: 'Discussion of aroids'; 'Aroid list'; 'Tom Croat'; Josef Bogner;
'Steve Marak'
Assunto: Re: [Aroid-l] Urgent Request from Tom Croat, a strange new
collection (fwd)
Prioridade: Alta
Tom,
This IS a new Bognera.
Josef knows all about this.
He mentioned it to me
on the phone only last week.
Pete
-----Original
Message-----
From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [
href="mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com">mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Marak
Sent: Thursday, 28 October, 2010 12:31 PM
To: Aroid list
Subject: [Aroid-l] Urgent Request from Tom Croat, a strange new collection
(fwd)
Aroiders,
The message below is from
Tom Croat, who is having problems getting it sent to the list, so I've
forwarded it.
(Note that if you just
reply to this message, it won't go to Tom, but rather to either the entire list
[most likely] or me. I will of course forward anything that comes to me to Tom,
but just be aware that if you want to communicate with Tom directly you'll have
to change the address manually to Tom's e-mail, Thomas.Croat@mobot.org )
Steve
-- Steve Marak
-- samarak@gizmoworks.com
---------- Forwarded
message ----------
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010
17:58:53 -0500
From: Tom Croat
Subject: Urgent Request to
List members, a strange new collection
Dear Aroiders:
I have described a plant collected in a remote habitat near the Brazilian
border in Peru. It was collected by a friend in California who has been
growing it as an acuatic. It has a definitely creeping stem, rather short
petioles and in many respects looks like Aglaonema costatum.
It keyed out to Bognera and
I assumed that it was a member of that genus but Eduardo Gonçalves has some
doubts and is wondering if it could have been an escaped horticultural
collection. Although that seems somewhat unlikely I would like to see any
images that any of you might have of Aglaonema costatum in order to make a better
judement. It would be especially useful to see a close up of the spadix
if any of you have that species in flower at this time.
Thanks in advance for any help that anyone can render.
Tom Croat
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From: "Eduardo" <eduardo.goncalves at inhotim.org.br> on 2010.11.03 at 11:43:33(21634)
Dear Tom,
Surely I can dissect it and try to find out exaclty what it is. Send
in my name to the address below (Rua B, 20, Inhotim, CEP 35460-000, Brumadinho,
MG, Brazil).
Very best wishes,
Eduardo.
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INHOTIM
Dr.
EDUARDO G. GONÇALVES
Curador Botânico
Jardim Botânico
Rua B, 20
35460-000 | Brumadinho | MG | Brasil
+55 31 3571.6638 Ramal Fixo 107
+55 31 9604.8618 Ramal 380
Rua
Antônio de Albuquerque, 215 | Funcionários
30112-010 | Belo Horizonte | MG | Brasil
+55 31 3223.8224
Antes de imprimir,
pense em sua responsabilidade com o Meio Ambiente.
De: Tom Croat
[mailto:Thomas.Croat@mobot.org]
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 1 de novembro de 2010 23:53
Para: Eduardo; Discussion of aroids; Aroid list; Josef Bogner; Steve
Marak
Assunto: RE: [Aroid-l] Urgent Request from Tom Croat, a strange new
collection (fwd)
Dear all:
My Internet Explorer is not working right now. We just got the review
copies of this paper describing this “new†species and I think I
will ask Norbert Killian to postpone publishing this until I can research this
further. I will try to send images to Pete and will study the image you
linked below as soon as my system works. Meanwhile I am hoping that our
plants flower again so that I can get more details. Eduardo, since you
probably know this thing best by now and have described this related genus I
will send you the pickled inflorescence. Would it get to you if I mailed
it?
Tom
From: Eduardo
[mailto:eduardo.goncalves@inhotim.org.br]
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 6:56 PM
To: 'Discussion of aroids'; 'Aroid list'; Tom Croat; 'Josef Bogner';
'Steve Marak'
Subject: RES: [Aroid-l] Urgent Request from Tom Croat, a strange new
collection (fwd)
Dear Peter,
The
hypothesis of an escaped Aglaonema (quite common in some places in Amazonia) is
just a clue to check on it, not a final word. Indians use to keep
beautiful plants with them as charms (“beenasâ€, as Julius would
love to mention) and many cultivated exotic species can be found in abandoned
settlements (including sansevieras and variegated Colocasia). Anyhow,
discarding this hypothesis and considering many aspects, it could even be
something else. In my opinion (only based on a limited set of pictures,
together with a description) it doesn´t seem to be closer to Bognera than to
any other “philodendroid†genus. However, considering that Bognera
is monospecific, we simply know nothing about acceptable intraspecific
variation. The “third†species of Bognera from Northern Brazil has
just proven to be a brand new genus! (confirmed by molecular phylogeny)
Dear Tom,
Tomorrow I will check if our A. costatum is flowering and, if
so, I will send you a picture. But there is a nice close up of the
inflorescence of this species in
href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Aglaonema_costatum_003.JPG">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Aglaonema_costatum_003.JPG
.. It is impossible to see female flowers, but you can compare with your picture
(they are both at the male phase). It would also be useful to send your picture
to Peter. He knows Asian genera pretty well and his opinion would be really
important.
Very best wishes,
Eduardo.
INHOTIM
Dr.
EDUARDO G. GONÇALVES
Curador Botânico
Jardim Botânico
Rua B, 20
35460-000 | Brumadinho | MG | Brasil
+55 31 3571.6638 Ramal Fixo 107
+55 31 9604.8618 Ramal 380
Rua
Antônio de Albuquerque, 215 | Funcionários
30112-010 | Belo Horizonte | MG | Brasil
+55 31 3223.8224
Antes de imprimir,
pense em sua responsabilidade com o Meio Ambiente.
De:
aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] Em
nome de Peter Boyce
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 28 de outubro de 2010 02:49
Para: 'Discussion of aroids'; 'Aroid list'; 'Tom Croat'; Josef Bogner;
'Steve Marak'
Assunto: Re: [Aroid-l] Urgent Request from Tom Croat, a strange new
collection (fwd)
Prioridade: Alta
Tom,
This IS a new Bognera.
Josef knows all
about this. He mentioned it to me on the phone only last
week.
Pete
-----Original
Message-----
From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [
href="mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com">mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Marak
Sent: Thursday, 28 October, 2010 12:31 PM
To: Aroid list
Subject: [Aroid-l] Urgent Request from Tom Croat, a strange new collection
(fwd)
Aroiders,
The message
below is from Tom Croat, who is having problems getting it sent to the list, so
I've forwarded it.
(Note that if
you just reply to this message, it won't go to Tom, but rather to either the
entire list [most likely] or me. I will of course forward anything that comes
to me to Tom, but just be aware that if you want to communicate with Tom
directly you'll have to change the address manually to Tom's e-mail,
Thomas.Croat@mobot.org )
Steve
-- Steve Marak
--
samarak@gizmoworks.com
----------
Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 27
Oct 2010 17:58:53 -0500
From: Tom Croat
Subject: Urgent
Request to List members, a strange new collection
Dear Aroiders:
I have described a plant collected in a remote habitat near the Brazilian
border in Peru. It was collected by a friend in California who has been
growing it as an acuatic. It has a definitely creeping stem, rather short
petioles and in many respects looks like Aglaonema costatum.
It keyed out to
Bognera and I assumed that it was a member of that genus but Eduardo Gonçalves
has some doubts and is wondering if it could have been an escaped horticultural
collection. Although that seems somewhat unlikely I would like to see any
images that any of you might have of Aglaonema costatum in order to make a
better judement. It would be especially useful to see a close up of the
spadix if any of you have that species in flower at this time.
Thanks in advance for any help that anyone can render.
Tom Croat
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From: "Eduardo" <eduardo.goncalves at inhotim.org.br> on 2010.11.09 at 17:49:21(21644)
Dear Tom (and other fellows),
I am sorry for the late reply but we are moving all aroids
to the 1000 m2 new greenhouse here! Many plants we thought we had lost or was
seriously needing repotting (like the real Bognera recondita) are now growing
in a fresh substrate. Anyhow, because of this hard work, I was able to spot a
few pots of flowering Aglaonema costatum. Here follows the pictures, in an RAR
compact file. One of the files are sketches of the male and the female
(transversally cut) flower. I think it is possible for you to compare, but
count on me to dissect your inflorescences. I can´t tell the difference between
A. costatum and the mistery plant, except for a shorter inflorescence (mine was
growing in a lighter area and tends to have shorter spadices).
Very best wishes,
Eduardo.
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INHOTIM
Dr. EDUARDO G. GONÇALVES
Curador
Botânico
Jardim Botânico
Rua B, 20
35460-000 | Brumadinho | MG | Brasil
+55 31 3571.6638 Ramal Fixo 107
+55 31 9604.8618 Ramal 380
Rua
Antônio de Albuquerque, 215 | Funcionários
30112-010 | Belo Horizonte | MG | Brasil
+55 31 3223.8224
Antes de imprimir,
pense em sua responsabilidade com o Meio Ambiente.
De: Tom Croat
[mailto:Thomas.Croat@mobot.org]
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 1 de novembro de 2010 23:53
Para: Eduardo; Discussion of aroids; Aroid list; Josef Bogner; Steve
Marak
Assunto: RE: [Aroid-l] Urgent Request from Tom Croat, a strange new
collection (fwd)
Dear all:
My Internet Explorer is not working right now. We just got the review
copies of this paper describing this “new†species and I think I will
ask Norbert Killian to postpone publishing this until I can research this
further. I will try to send images to Pete and will study the image you
linked below as soon as my system works. Meanwhile I am hoping that our
plants flower again so that I can get more details. Eduardo, since you
probably know this thing best by now and have described this related genus I
will send you the pickled inflorescence. Would it get to you if I mailed
it?
Tom
From: Eduardo
[mailto:eduardo.goncalves@inhotim.org.br]
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 6:56 PM
To: 'Discussion of aroids'; 'Aroid list'; Tom Croat; 'Josef Bogner';
'Steve Marak'
Subject: RES: [Aroid-l] Urgent Request from Tom Croat, a strange new
collection (fwd)
Dear Peter,
The
hypothesis of an escaped Aglaonema (quite common in some places in Amazonia) is
just a clue to check on it, not a final word. Indians use to keep
beautiful plants with them as charms (“beenasâ€, as Julius would
love to mention) and many cultivated exotic species can be found in abandoned
settlements (including sansevieras and variegated Colocasia). Anyhow,
discarding this hypothesis and considering many aspects, it could even be
something else. In my opinion (only based on a limited set of pictures,
together with a description) it doesn´t seem to be closer to Bognera than to
any other “philodendroid†genus. However, considering that Bognera
is monospecific, we simply know nothing about acceptable intraspecific
variation. The “third†species of Bognera from Northern Brazil has
just proven to be a brand new genus! (confirmed by molecular phylogeny)
Dear Tom,
Tomorrow I will check if our A. costatum is flowering and, if
so, I will send you a picture. But there is a nice close up of the
inflorescence of this species in
href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Aglaonema_costatum_003.JPG">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Aglaonema_costatum_003.JPG
.. It is impossible to see female flowers, but you can compare with your picture
(they are both at the male phase). It would also be useful to send your picture
to Peter. He knows Asian genera pretty well and his opinion would be really
important.
Very best wishes,
Eduardo.
INHOTIM
Dr.
EDUARDO G. GONÇALVES
Curador Botânico
Jardim Botânico
Rua B, 20
35460-000 | Brumadinho | MG | Brasil
+55 31 3571.6638 Ramal Fixo 107
+55 31 9604.8618 Ramal 380
Rua
Antônio de Albuquerque, 215 | Funcionários
30112-010 | Belo Horizonte | MG | Brasil
+55 31 3223.8224
Antes de imprimir,
pense em sua responsabilidade com o Meio Ambiente.
De:
aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] Em
nome de Peter Boyce
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 28 de outubro de 2010 02:49
Para: 'Discussion of aroids'; 'Aroid list'; 'Tom Croat'; Josef Bogner;
'Steve Marak'
Assunto: Re: [Aroid-l] Urgent Request from Tom Croat, a strange new
collection (fwd)
Prioridade: Alta
Tom,
This IS a new Bognera.
Josef knows all
about this. He mentioned it to me on the phone only last
week.
Pete
-----Original
Message-----
From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [
href="mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com">mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Marak
Sent: Thursday, 28 October, 2010 12:31 PM
To: Aroid list
Subject: [Aroid-l] Urgent Request from Tom Croat, a strange new collection
(fwd)
Aroiders,
The message
below is from Tom Croat, who is having problems getting it sent to the list, so
I've forwarded it.
(Note that if
you just reply to this message, it won't go to Tom, but rather to either the
entire list [most likely] or me. I will of course forward anything that comes
to me to Tom, but just be aware that if you want to communicate with Tom
directly you'll have to change the address manually to Tom's e-mail,
Thomas.Croat@mobot.org )
Steve
-- Steve Marak
--
samarak@gizmoworks.com
----------
Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 27
Oct 2010 17:58:53 -0500
From: Tom Croat
Subject: Urgent
Request to List members, a strange new collection
Dear Aroiders:
I have described a plant collected in a remote habitat near the Brazilian
border in Peru. It was collected by a friend in California who has been
growing it as an acuatic. It has a definitely creeping stem, rather short
petioles and in many respects looks like Aglaonema costatum.
It keyed out to
Bognera and I assumed that it was a member of that genus but Eduardo Gonçalves
has some doubts and is wondering if it could have been an escaped horticultural
collection. Although that seems somewhat unlikely I would like to see any
images that any of you might have of Aglaonema costatum in order to make a
better judement. It would be especially useful to see a close up of the
spadix if any of you have that species in flower at this time.
Thanks in advance for any help that anyone can render.
Tom Croat
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From: =?utf-8?Q?Genevi=C3=A8ve_Ferry?= <jpcferry2 at wanadoo.fr> on 2010.11.12 at 17:47:24(21651)
Hello Eduardo,
Look the pictures of Aglaonema costatum on the site of David Scherberich .
We have Aglaonema costatum since many years cultived in the greenhouses of Nancy Botanical garden . If you had need materiel , I can help you .
www.aroidpictures.fr
Best wishes,
Geneviève Ferry
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From: Eduardo
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:49 PM
To: 'Tom Croat' ; 'Discussion of aroids' ; 'Josef Bogner' ; 'Steve Marak' ; 'Peter Boyce'
Subject: [Aroid-l] RES: Urgent Request from Tom Croat,a strange new collection (fwd)
Dear Tom (and other fellows),
I am sorry for the late reply but we are moving all aroids to the 1000 m2 new greenhouse here! Many plants we thought we had lost or was seriously needing repotting (like the real Bognera recondita) are now growing in a fresh substrate. Anyhow, because of this hard work, I was able to spot a few pots of flowering Aglaonema costatum. Here follows the pictures, in an RAR compact file. One of the files are sketches of the male and the female (transversally cut) flower. I think it is possible for you to
compare, but count on me to dissect your inflorescences. I can ´t tell the difference between A. costatum and the mistery plant, except for a shorter inflorescence (mine was growing in a lighter area and tends to have shorter spadices).
Very best wishes,
Eduardo.
INHOTIM
Dr. EDUARDO G. GONÇALVES
Curador Botânico
Jardim Botânico
Rua B, 20
35460-000 | Brumadinho | MG | Brasil
+55 31 3571.6638 Ramal Fixo 107 +55 31 9604.8618 Ramal 380
Rua Antônio de Albuquerque, 215 | Funcionários
30112-010 | Belo Horizonte | MG | Brasil
+55 31 3223.8224
Antes de imprimir, pense em sua responsabilidade com o Meio Ambiente.
De: Tom Croat
[mailto:Thomas.Croat@mobot.org]
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 1 de novembro de 2010 23:53
Para: Eduardo; Discussion of aroids; Aroid list; Josef Bogner; Steve Marak
Assunto: RE: [Aroid-l] Urgent Request from Tom Croat, a strange new collection (fwd)
Dear all:
My Internet Explorer is not working right now. We just got the review copies of this paper describing this “new†species and I think I will ask Norbert Killian to postpone publishing this until I can research this further. I will try to send images to Pete and will study the image you linked below as soon as my system works. Meanwhile I am hoping that our plants flower again so that I can get more details. Eduardo, since you probably know this thing best by now and have described this related genus I will send you the pickled inflorescence. Would it get to you if I mailed it?
Tom
From: Eduardo [mailto:eduardo.goncalves@inhotim.org.br]
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 6:56 PM
To: 'Discussion of aroids'; 'Aroid list'; Tom Croat; 'Josef Bogner'; 'Steve Marak'
Subject: RES: [Aroid-l] Urgent Request from Tom Croat, a strange new collection (fwd)
Dear Peter,
The hypothesis of an escaped Aglaonema (quite common in some places in Amazonia) is just a clue to check on it, not a final word. Indians use to keep beautiful plants with them as charms (“beenasâ€, as Julius would love to mention) and many cultivated exotic species can be found in abandoned settlements (including sansevieras and variegated Colocasia). Anyhow, discarding this hypothesis and considering many aspects, it could even be something else. In my opinion (only based on a limited set of pictures, together with a description) it doesn ´t seem to be closer to Bognera than to any other “philodendroid†genus. However, considering that Bognera is monospecific, we simply know nothing about acceptable intraspecific variation. The “third†species of Bognera from Northern Brazil has just proven to be a brand new genus! (confirmed by molecular phylogeny)
Dear Tom,
Tomorrow I will check if our A. costatum is flowering and, if so, I will send you a picture. But there is a nice close up of the inflorescence of this species in http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Aglaonema_costatum_003.JPG .. It is impossible to see female flowers, but you can compare with your picture (they are both at the male phase). It would also be useful to send your picture to Peter. He knows Asian genera pretty well and his opinion would be really important.
Very best wishes,
Eduardo.
INHOTIM
Dr. EDUARDO G. GONÇALVES
Curador Botânico
Jardim Botânico
Rua B, 20
35460-000 | Brumadinho | MG | Brasil
+55 31 3571.6638 Ramal Fixo 107 +55 31 9604.8618 Ramal 380
Rua Antônio de Albuquerque, 215 | Funcionários
30112-010 | Belo Horizonte | MG | Brasil
+55 31 3223.8224
Antes de imprimir, pense em sua responsabilidade com o Meio Ambiente.
De: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] Em nome de Peter Boyce
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 28 de outubro de 2010 02:49
Para: 'Discussion of aroids'; 'Aroid list'; 'Tom Croat'; Josef Bogner; 'Steve Marak'
Assunto: Re: [Aroid-l] Urgent Request from Tom Croat, a strange new collection (fwd)
Prioridade: Alta
Tom,
This IS a new Bognera.
Josef knows all about this. He mentioned it to me on the phone only last week.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Steve Marak
Sent: Thursday, 28 October, 2010 12:31 PM
To: Aroid list
Subject: [Aroid-l] Urgent Request from Tom Croat, a strange new collection (fwd)
Aroiders,
The message below is from Tom Croat, who is having problems getting it sent to the list, so I've forwarded it.
(Note that if you just reply to this message, it won't go to Tom, but rather to either the entire list [most likely] or me. I will of course forward anything that comes to me to Tom, but just be aware that if you want to communicate with Tom directly you'll have to change the address manually to Tom's e-mail, Thomas.Croat@mobot.org )
Steve
-- Steve Marak
-- samarak@gizmoworks.com
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:58:53 -0500
From: Tom Croat
Subject: Urgent Request to List members, a strange new collection
Dear
Aroiders:
I have described a plant collected in a remote habitat near the Brazilian border in Peru. It was collected by a friend in California who has been growing it as an acuatic. It has a definitely creeping stem, rather short petioles and in many respects looks like Aglaonema costatum.
It keyed out to Bognera and I assumed that it was a member of that genus but Eduardo Gonçalves has some doubts and is wondering if it could have been an escaped horticultural collection. Although that seems somewhat unlikely I would like to see any images that any of you might have of Aglaonema costatum in order to make a better judement. It would be especially useful to see a close up of the spadix if any of you have that species in flower at this time.
Thanks in advance for any help that anyone can render.
Tom Croat
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