Amorphophallus Titanum offset?

From: Jason Sarine <jasondsarine at hotmail.com> on 2011.01.23 at 01:46:56(21794) Well here is some food for thought. I dug up one of my titanums that was going dormant to repot today and imagine my surprise when I found a second smaller tuber alongside the main one. It had a small second leaf all summer but I imagined it was just feeding the main tuber as I thought they did not divide or offset, but here we are.  Now I pose this question. The seller I bought these from grows their stock from seed. Could some genetic diversity have actually created an offsetting titantum? I guess another growing season is in order to see if it holds this trait.  Bye now. Jason Sarine HTML +More --_22891035-ec41-405f-a4cc-681d40f122d2_-- --==============V40512657275501769=

From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" <hetter at xs4all.nl> on 2011.01.26 at 08:52:59(21813) An even worse answer is that you may have bought the wrong species...................... Any pics available on the plant in leaf? Cheers, WIlbert HTML +More Van: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] Namens Jason Sarine Verzonden: zondag 23 januari 2011 2:47 Aan: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Onderwerp: [Aroid-l] Amorphophallus Titanum offset? Well here is some food for thought. I dug up one of my titanums that was going dormant to repot today and imagine my surprise when I found a second smaller tuber alongside the main one. It had a small second leaf all summer but I imagined it was just feeding the main tuber as I thought they did not divide or offset, but here we are. Now I pose this question. The seller I bought these from grows their stock from seed. Could some genetic diversity have actually created an offsetting titantum? I guess another growing season is in order to see if it holds this trait. Bye now. Jason Sarine ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01CBBD3E.D0E71BE0-- --==============202233785610913084=

From: "Daniel Devor" <plantguy at zoominternet.net> on 2011.01.26 at 12:22:33(21814) Jason, This is not that unusual as you will likely here from others here. Mine have done it multiple times, in fact one of mine has 2 extra leaves at the side of the main growth now that just went dormant so unless momma consumes them if they are still attached I will have 3 rather than 1 when I unpot. Good luck with yours, Dan HTML +More Gibsonia, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason Sarine To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 8:46 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] Amorphophallus Titanum offset? Well here is some food for thought. I dug up one of my titanums that was going dormant to repot today and imagine my surprise when I found a second smaller tuber alongside the main one. It had a small second leaf all summer but I imagined it was just feeding the main tuber as I thought they did not divide or offset, but here we are. Now I pose this question. The seller I bought these from grows their stock from seed. Could some genetic diversity have actually created an offsetting titantum? I guess another growing season is in order to see if it holds this trait. Bye now. Jason Sarine _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CBBD29.CCAE12A0-- --==============B92508022688477518=

From: santoury at aol.com on 2011.01.26 at 13:58:52(21815) The question is, where did you get the tuber? I've read a lot of controversy about some sellers selling "fake" titanums. I get mine from Tindara Orchids which is a very reputable seller. All of mine had multiple leaves, but have not dug them up yet - maybe I'll find some offsets too? Who knows! Jude HTML +More -----Original Message----- From: Jason Sarine To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com Sent: Sat, Jan 22, 2011 8:46 pm Subject: [Aroid-l] Amorphophallus Titanum offset? Well here is some food for thought. I dug up one of my titanums that was going dormant to repot today and imagine my surprise when I found a second smaller tuber alongside the main one. It had a small second leaf all summer but I imagined it was just feeding the main tuber as I thought they did not divide or offset, but here we are. Now I pose this question. The seller I bought these from grows their stock from seed. Could some genetic diversity have actually created an offsetting titantum? I guess another growing season is in order to see if it holds this trait. Bye now. Jason Sarine = _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l ----------MB_8CD8B784C6117F2_E10_1AB9C_webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com-- --==============01055079260605887=

From: Brian O'Brien <bobrien at gustavus.edu> on 2011.01.26 at 17:11:38(21820) At least two of our titanums have split into two corms - one that we still have and one that we donated to the Marjorie McNeely Conservatory in St. Paul, Minnesota. These plants are all grown from seeds from the original Symon collection. Brian O'Brien HTML +More At 07:46 PM 1/22/2011, you wrote: Well here is some food for thought. I dug up one of my titanums that was going dormant to repot today and imagine my surprise when I found a second smaller tuber alongside the main one. It had a small second leaf all summer but I imagined it was just feeding the main tuber as I thought they did not divide or offset, but here we are. Now I pose this question. The seller I bought these from grows their stock from seed. Could some genetic diversity have actually created an offsetting titantum? I guess another growing season is in order to see if it holds this trait. Bye now. Jason Sarine _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@ www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- Brian A. O'Brien, Department of Chemistry, Gustavus Adolphus College 800 West College Avenue, Saint Peter, Minnesota 56082 U.S.A. e-mail bobrien@gustavus.edu or bobrien@gac.edu tel. (507)933-7310 fax (507)933-7041 Chair, Department of Chemistry, 2008-2011 --=====================_5260544==.ALT-- --==============358797327827631330=

From: "E.Vincent Morano" <ironious2 at yahoo.com> on 2011.01.26 at 19:17:33(21826) I bought one of your titans from you on eBay Jude. The extra leaf was just feeding the same corm and eventually fell off.. At one point in time, I had over 100 titans that I bought from EGF Orchids. It was like $50 for 10 of them. I waited for them to go dormant and sold the dormant corms and made a killing on them. I would start bidding at 99 cents and they would often got up to $70-$80. My best customers were from Europe but I digress. What Im getting at is out of those that had 2 leaves none of them had off sets. HOWEVER a few did end up having 2 corms growing in the same pot! The seeds in those cases grew to be twins was the explanation I was given as there was supposed to be only 1 seed per pot. My seeds were collected from a wild population in their native country. At the time I did it, It was just a money making venture so I sold them all. I refuse to participate in the recession, Erin Vincent Morano HTML +More --- On Wed, 1/26/11, santoury@aol.com wrote: From: santoury@aol.com Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amorphophallus Titanum offset? To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 5:58 AM The question is, where did you get the tuber? I've read a lot of controversy about some sellers selling "fake" titanums. I get mine from Tindara Orchids which is a very reputable seller. All of mine had multiple leaves, but have not dug them up yet - maybe I'll find some offsets too? Who knows! Jude -----Original Message----- From: Jason Sarine To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com Sent: Sat, Jan 22, 2011 8:46 pm Subject: [Aroid-l] Amorphophallus Titanum offset? Well here is some food for thought. I dug up one of my titanums that was going dormant to repot today and imagine my surprise when I found a second smaller tuber alongside the main one. It had a small second leaf all summer but I imagined it was just feeding the main tuber as I thought they did not divide or offset, but here we are. Now I pose this question. The seller I bought these from grows their stock from seed. Could some genetic diversity have actually created an offsetting titantum? I guess another growing season is in order to see if it holds this trait. Bye now. Jason Sarine = _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --0-905422763-1296069453=:50327-- --==============G58423113063522320=

From: Douglas M Ewing <dewing at u.washington.edu> on 2011.01.26 at 20:03:00(21828) I too, have had A.titanum produce offset tubers below ground. My experience is that young seedlings will produce multiple leaves, but they are in succession, as the old leaf is starting to die, the new leaf is replacing it. This does not result in division of the tuber. But, anytime you have more than one leaf on a tuber of reasonable size, it means you will have a tuber for each leaf when you dig the plant up after leaf death. I have seen 3, even 4. Will also mention that producing clonal tubercles of titanum is pretty easy using leaflet cuttings. Doug +More On Wed, 26 Jan 2011, Daniel Devor wrote: > Jason, This is not that unusual as you will likely here from others here. Mine have done it multiple times, in fact one of mine has 2 extra leaves at > the side of the main growth now that just went dormant so unless momma consumes them if they are still attached I will have 3 rather than 1 when I > unpot. Good luck with yours, > > Dan > Gibsonia, PA > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jason Sarine > To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 8:46 PM > Subject: [Aroid-l] Amorphophallus Titanum offset? > > Well here is some food for thought. I dug up one of my titanums that was going dormant to repot today and imagine my surprise when I found a > second smaller tuber alongside the main one. It had a small second leaf all summer but I imagined it was just feeding the main tuber as I thought > they did not divide or offset, but here we are. Now I pose this question. The seller I bought these from grows their stock from seed. Could some > genetic diversity have actually created an offsetting titantum? I guess another growing season is in order to see if it holds this trait. Bye > now. > > Jason Sarine > > _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > *********************************************************** Doug Ewing Botany Greenhouse Manager Dept. of Biology Box 351800 24 Kincaid Hall, University of Washington Seattle, WA 98195-1800 ph: 206 543-0436 ---1903401468-1289027478-1296072180=:8003 _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l ---1903401468-1289027478-1296072180=:8003--

From: Brian O'Brien <bobrien at gustavus.edu> on 2011.02.07 at 02:10:59(21877) Hi Bernhard, One of the plants that we donated to the Marjorie McNeely Conservatory at Como Park in St. Paul had two leaves on it at the time. When they unpotted it after dormancy set in, there were two corms, one smaller than the other. The larger one, BOB flowered, then died from the effort (the inflorescence was small and distorted, and the plant apparently went into the flowering stage too early). The second separate clone (BOB, too - not the second corm of the first clone) might flower within the next few months (it's dormant now, after producing a large leaf that lasted for over a year). Here are links for some photos: the two-leafed clone when delivered to Como in June 2005: http://www.flickr.com/photos/aeranthes/4281782587/in/set-72157615999594446/ the second clone in leaf in November 2009: http://www.flickr.com/photos/aeranthes/4281782905/in/set-72157623230165724/ Brian HTML +More At 08:37 AM 2/6/2011, you wrote: Hi Brian, when you write 'split into two corms' would that mean that a relatively big tuber would have split into aprox. two tubers of the same size? Or was it what we would call an offset, e.g. a small tuber grown from a bigger one? You might remember the 117 kg tuber at the Bonn Botanical Garden that grew a triple inflorescence. This tuber grew three leaves threreafter and grew three individual tubers in the vegetative phase after the triple flower. Happy offsetting, Bernhard. -----Original Message----- > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:11:38 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amorphophallus Titanum offset? > From: Brian O'Brien > To: Discussion of aroids > At least two of our titanums have split into two corms - one that we still have and one that we donated to the Marjorie McNeely Conservatory in St. Paul, Minnesota. These plants are all grown from seeds from the original Symon collection. Brian O'Brien _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- Brian A. O'Brien, Department of Chemistry, Gustavus Adolphus College 800 West College Avenue, Saint Peter, Minnesota 56082 U.S.A. e-mail bobrien@gustavus.edu or bobrien@gac.edu tel. (507)933-7310 fax (507)933-7041 Chair, Department of Chemistry, 2008-2011 --=====================_37314625==.ALT-- --==============65868473236501496=

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