Colocasia name

From: "Marek Argent" <abri1973 at wp.pl> on 2011.08.21 at 23:02:01(22183) Hello, Which name is the proper one? Colocasia esculenta var. antiquorum (Schott) C.E. Hubb. & Rehder or Colocasia antiquorum Schott On the web (IAS, Tropicos, IPNI, CATE) I can find both combinations and I really don't know which one should be used. Best, Marek Argent HTML +More ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01CC6067.19E35A90-- --=============='62769426042642647==

From: Peter Boyce <phymatarum at googlemail.com> on 2011.08.23 at 09:41:55(22185) Hi Marek Neither. Both are simply Colocasia esculenta, as per our previous correspondence. Best Pete HTML +More From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Marek Argent Sent: Monday, 22 August, 2011 7:02 AM To: Discussion of aroids; Peter Boyce; Alan Galloway Subject: [Aroid-l] Colocasia name Hello, Which name is the proper one? Colocasia esculenta var. antiquorum (Schott) C.E. Hubb. & Rehder or Colocasia antiquorum Schott On the web (IAS, Tropicos, IPNI, CATE) I can find both combinations and I really don't know which one should be used. Best, Marek Argent ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01CC61BB.F5C92300-- --==============ƒ06293658604239382==

From: =?iso-8859-1?B?ZGF2aWQgYnL2ZGVyYmF1ZXI=?= <david_dav44 at hotmail.com> on 2011.08.25 at 07:49:01(22188) Hello Peter, I'm confused. Isn't Colocasia antiquorum SCHOTT a valid species? At least in Li Heng's and your treatment in the Flora of China it is. Best, David HTML +More From: phymatarum@googlemail.com To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com; alan_galloway@ncsu.edu Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:41:55 +0800 Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Colocasia name Hi Marek   Neither. Both are simply Colocasia esculenta, as per our previous correspondence.   Best   Pete   From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Marek Argent Sent: Monday, 22 August, 2011 7:02 AM To: Discussion of aroids; Peter Boyce; Alan Galloway Subject: [Aroid-l] Colocasia name   Hello,   Which name is the proper one? Colocasia esculenta var. antiquorum (Schott) C.E. Hubb. & Rehder or Colocasia antiquorum Schott   On the web (IAS, Tropicos, IPNI, CATE) I can find both combinations and I really don't know which one should be used.   Best, Marek Argent _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --_bbe70d35-a46a-47ed-8a19-e5052d509a3b_-- --==============22468159251449408==

From: Peter Boyce <phymatarum at googlemail.com> on 2011.08.30 at 09:52:52(22189) Hi David, Yes, it is a valid NAME but it is NOT a good species - the typification was fouled up by Schott, who typified (certainly in error) on a Linnaeus specimen is is without question C. esculenta. Mea culpa we fouled up in FoC. The DESCRIPTION in FoC is correct but the name is wrong. It should be called C. fontanesii. Very best Peter HTML +More On 25 August 2011 15:49, david bröderbauer wrote: Hello Peter, I'm confused. Isn't Colocasia antiquorum SCHOTT a valid species? At least in Li Heng's and your treatment in the Flora of China it is. Best, David From: phymatarum@googlemail.com To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com; alan_galloway@ncsu.edu Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:41:55 +0800 Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Colocasia name Hi Marek Neither. Both are simply Colocasia esculenta, as per our previous correspondence. Best Pete From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Marek Argent Sent: Monday, 22 August, 2011 7:02 AM To: Discussion of aroids; Peter Boyce; Alan Galloway Subject: [Aroid-l] Colocasia name Hello, Which name is the proper one? Colocasia esculenta var. antiquorum (Schott) C.E. Hubb. & Rehder or Colocasia antiquorum Schott On the web (IAS, Tropicos, IPNI, CATE) I can find both combinations and I really don't know which one should be used. Best, Marek Argent _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --20cf307d0424a6d24104abb5f9ad-- --==============E57463963190300981==

From: "Marek Argent" <abri1973 at wp.pl> on 2011.09.02 at 23:57:14(22192) Hello, And what about Colocasia fontanesii? It is listed in IPNI as a species: http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=0B8049D3E21ED7D5BA9FE7D4B9104BF3?id=86590-1&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditSimplePlantNameSearch.do%3Bjsessionid%3D0B8049D3E21ED7D5BA9FE7D4B9104BF3%3Ffind_wholeName%3DColocasia%2Bfontanesii%26output_format%3Dnormal in Tropicos, too, but there is also a synonym C. esculenta var. fontanesii: http://www.tropicos.org/Name/2102376 http://www.tropicos.org/Name/2105987 in the IAS pages it is regarded as a cultivar of C. esculenta: http://www.aroid.org/cultivars/display.php?select=1724 http://www.aroid.org/genera/serveimage.php?key=4589 Cate-Araceae as usually is unaccessible. I always knew that "fontanesii" is a Colocasia with a glossy leaf surface and purple or burgundy petioles, but I never really wondered about its taxonomic status. Best, Marek HTML +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Boyce To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Colocasia name Hi David, Yes, it is a valid NAME but it is NOT a good species - the typification was fouled up by Schott, who typified (certainly in error) on a Linnaeus specimen is is without question C. esculenta. Mea culpa we fouled up in FoC. The DESCRIPTION in FoC is correct but the name is wrong. It should be called C. fontanesii. Very best Peter On 25 August 2011 15:49, david bröderbauer wrote: Hello Peter, I'm confused. Isn't Colocasia antiquorum SCHOTT a valid species? At least in Li Heng's and your treatment in the Flora of China it is. Best, David From: phymatarum@googlemail.com To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com; alan_galloway@ncsu.edu Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:41:55 +0800 Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Colocasia name Hi Marek Neither. Both are simply Colocasia esculenta, as per our previous correspondence. Best Pete From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Marek Argent Sent: Monday, 22 August, 2011 7:02 AM To: Discussion of aroids; Peter Boyce; Alan Galloway Subject: [Aroid-l] Colocasia name Hello, Which name is the proper one? Colocasia esculenta var. antiquorum (Schott) C.E. Hubb. & Rehder or Colocasia antiquorum Schott On the web (IAS, Tropicos, IPNI, CATE) I can find both combinations and I really don't know which one should be used. Best, Marek Argent _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l No virus found in the message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3872 - Release Date: 09/02/11 ------=_NextPart_000_00E6_01CC69DC.CD70DFF0-- --==============&83531798298560857==

From: Peter Boyce <phymatarum at googlemail.com> on 2011.09.04 at 06:37:58(22194) Hi Marek, Colocasia fontanesii is a good species; it is what Schott INTENDED to describe when he published the name C. antiquorum but because Schott blundered and typified his name antiquorum on a specimen that is C. esculenta the first available name for this glossy-leaved plant is C. fontanesii. Peter HTML +More On 3 September 2011 07:57, Marek Argent wrote: Hello, And what about Colocasia fontanesii? It is listed in IPNI as a species: http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=0B8049D3E21ED7D5BA9FE7D4B9104BF3?id=86590-1&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditSimplePlantNameSearch.do%3Bjsessionid%3D0B8049D3E21ED7D5BA9FE7D4B9104BF3%3Ffind_wholeName%3DColocasia%2Bfontanesii%26output_format%3Dnormal in Tropicos, too, but there is also a synonym C. esculenta var. fontanesii: http://www.tropicos.org/Name/2102376 http://www.tropicos.org/Name/2105987 in the IAS pages it is regarded as a cultivar of C. esculenta: http://www.aroid.org/cultivars/display.php?select=1724 http://www.aroid.org/genera/serveimage.php?key=4589 Cate-Araceae as usually is unaccessible. I always knew that "fontanesii" is a Colocasia with a glossy leaf surface and purple or burgundy petioles, but I never really wondered about its taxonomic status. Best, Marek ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Boyce To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Colocasia name Hi David, Yes, it is a valid NAME but it is NOT a good species - the typification was fouled up by Schott, who typified (certainly in error) on a Linnaeus specimen is is without question C. esculenta. Mea culpa we fouled up in FoC. The DESCRIPTION in FoC is correct but the name is wrong. It should be called C. fontanesii. Very best Peter On 25 August 2011 15:49, david bröderbauer wrote: Hello Peter, I'm confused. Isn't Colocasia antiquorum SCHOTT a valid species? At least in Li Heng's and your treatment in the Flora of China it is. Best, David From: phymatarum@googlemail.com To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com; alan_galloway@ncsu.edu Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:41:55 +0800 Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Colocasia name Hi Marek Neither. Both are simply Colocasia esculenta, as per our previous correspondence. Best Pete From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Marek Argent Sent: Monday, 22 August, 2011 7:02 AM To: Discussion of aroids; Peter Boyce; Alan Galloway Subject: [Aroid-l] Colocasia name Hello, Which name is the proper one? Colocasia esculenta var. antiquorum (Schott) C.E. Hubb. & Rehder or Colocasia antiquorum Schott On the web (IAS, Tropicos, IPNI, CATE) I can find both combinations and I really don't know which one should be used. Best, Marek Argent _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l No virus found in the message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3872 - Release Date: 09/02/11 _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --90e6ba4fc644d291c104ac17d50f-- --============== 47628614606076604==

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