Helicodiceros moved to Dracunculus????

From: "Alan Galloway" <alan_galloway at bellsouth.net> on 2011.12.12 at 21:18:22(22470) I recently heard the rumor that Helicodiceros has been or is about to be moved into Dracunculus? Could anyone (perhaps those involved) shed any light on this rumor? If it's true I've got a lot of labels to rewrite! Alan +More _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "D. Christopher Rogers" <branchiopod at gmail.com> on 2011.12.13 at 00:11:38(22472) Hello, Alan! That was tried quite a long time ago. It was not supported and our beloved Helidcodiceros is safe, as are your labels. Hopefully nothing new is being tried. As I recall Helicodiceros, Biarum and Dracunculus are all genetically and morphologically distinct. Happy days, Christopher HTML +More On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Alan Galloway wrote: I recently heard the rumor that Helicodiceros has been or is about to be moved into Dracunculus? Could anyone (perhaps those involved) shed any light on this rumor? If it's true I've got a lot of labels to rewrite! Alan _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- D. Christopher Rogers ((,///////////=======

From: Peter Boyce <phymatarum at googlemail.com> on 2011.12.13 at 04:55:49(22475) Hi Alan, Your rumour is a bit out-dated: Helicodiceros was in fact 'moved' to Dracunculus 1857! [Dracunculus muscivorus (L.f.) Parl., Fl. Ital. 2: 252 (1857).] However, recent molecular analyses (e.g., Mansion et al 2008 [Systematic Biology 57(2), 269–285] have not only strongly supported that Helicodicerous is 'good' but that it is not even particularly closely related to Dracunculus, it is sister to Eminium. Dracunculus is sister to a clade comprising Gymnomesium (i.e., Arum pictum) + Arum. Pete HTML +More On 13 December 2011 05:18, Alan Galloway wrote: I recently heard the rumor that Helicodiceros has been or is about to be moved into Dracunculus? Could anyone (perhaps those involved) shed any light on this rumor? If it's true I've got a lot of labels to rewrite! Alan _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --f46d040fa04ca44eb304b3f210fd-- --=============='50434042815700000==

From: "Alan Galloway" <alan_galloway at bellsouth.net> on 2011.12.14 at 15:11:24(22477) Pete and Christopher, Many thanks on the confirmation that Helicodiceros will remain as Helicodiceros......so glad to know that I don’t have to redo labels in the winter weather! Alan HTML +More From: Peter Boyce Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:55 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Helicodiceros moved to Dracunculus???? Hi Alan, Your rumour is a bit out-dated: Helicodiceros was in fact 'moved' to Dracunculus 1857! [Dracunculus muscivorus (L.f.) Parl., Fl. Ital. 2: 252 (1857).] However, recent molecular analyses (e.g., Mansion et al 2008 [Systematic Biology 57(2), 269–285] have not only strongly supported that Helicodicerous is 'good' but that it is not even particularly closely related to Dracunculus, it is sister to Eminium. Dracunculus is sister to a clade comprising Gymnomesium (i.e., Arum pictum) + Arum. Pete On 13 December 2011 05:18, Alan Galloway wrote: I recently heard the rumor that Helicodiceros has been or is about to be moved into Dracunculus? Could anyone (perhaps those involved) shed any light on this rumor? If it's true I've got a lot of labels to rewrite! Alan _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01CCBA48.BC3B8250-- --============== 39215270288379853==

From: "D. Christopher Rogers" <branchiopod at gmail.com> on 2011.12.15 at 15:00:34(22481) Dear Alan, I understand the frustration. All those Sauromatum labels that I changed to Typhonium and then back . . . Happy days! Christopher HTML +More On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Alan Galloway wrote: Pete and Christopher, Many thanks on the confirmation that Helicodiceros will remain as Helicodiceros......so glad to know that I don’t have to redo labels in the winter weather! Alan From: Peter Boyce Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:55 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Helicodiceros moved to Dracunculus???? Hi Alan, Your rumour is a bit out-dated: Helicodiceros was in fact 'moved' to Dracunculus 1857! [Dracunculus muscivorus (L.f.) Parl., Fl. Ital. 2: 252 (1857).] However, recent molecular analyses (e.g., Mansion et al 2008 [Systematic Biology 57(2), 269–285] have not only strongly supported that Helicodicerous is 'good' but that it is not even particularly closely related to Dracunculus, it is sister to Eminium. Dracunculus is sister to a clade comprising Gymnomesium (i.e., Arum pictum) + Arum. Pete On 13 December 2011 05:18, Alan Galloway wrote: I recently heard the rumor that Helicodiceros has been or is about to be moved into Dracunculus? Could anyone (perhaps those involved) shed any light on this rumor? If it's true I've got a lot of labels to rewrite! Alan _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- D. Christopher Rogers ((,///////////=======

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