Philodendron sp. 'Burle-Marx Fantasy'

From: Corey W <cewickliffe at gmail.com> on 2012.12.26 at 21:48:10(22749) Does anyone know the history of this plant? I found a stock photo of what looks like this species that may be growing in the wild.... http://www.superstock.com/stock-photos-images/1566-080742 My interest in this is that I've grown this plant personally for nearly a decade now and know very little about it but what I was told when I got it... it is a naturally occurring species that was found in Burle Marx's garden and it was unknown where it was collected (which is why it was never described). Finding the above linked photo stunned me a bit, since it looks like the plant is in the wild and was found near Manuas, Brazil. Could it be possible that this is "Burle Marx Fantasy" in the wild? Should we be trying to track down this photographer to find out more exactly where this photo was taken so we can attempt to have a wild locality and finally have this species described? What else is known about this philodendron? Best, Corey --14dae93411fff7234e04d1c86209-- HTML +More --==============72512709384602774==

From: "derek burch" <derek at horticulturist.com> on 2012.12.26 at 22:37:44(22750) Corey, no one has bothered even to start the registration process for this cultivar name, so there is no lead that way. Actually I don’t know why I bother to mention that it isn’t registered since almost no one has cooperated with our effort starting a few years back to set up a documented registry. Albert has done a great job of listing the names that we have come across, but it doesn’t look as though we should continue to claim to be the international registry for aroids unless anyone would like to pick up the ball. Derek HTML +More From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Corey W Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 4:48 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Philodendron sp. 'Burle-Marx Fantasy' Does anyone know the history of this plant? I found a stock photo of what looks like this species that may be growing in the wild.... http://www.superstock.com/stock-photos-images/1566-080742 My interest in this is that I've grown this plant personally for nearly a decade now and know very little about it but what I was told when I got it... it is a naturally occurring species that was found in Burle Marx's garden and it was unknown where it was collected (which is why it was never described). Finding the above linked photo stunned me a bit, since it looks like the plant is in the wild and was found near Manuas, Brazil. Could it be possible that this is "Burle Marx Fantasy" in the wild? Should we be trying to track down this photographer to find out more exactly where this photo was taken so we can attempt to have a wild locality and finally have this species described? What else is known about this philodendron? Best, Corey ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01CDE38F.B7508B70-- --==============E39810376419487728==

From: Hermine Stover <hermine at endangeredspecies.com> on 2012.12.27 at 17:38:04(22751) At 01:48 PM 12/26/2012, you wrote: Does anyone know the history of this plant? I found a stock photo of what looks like this species that may be growing in the wild.... http://www.superstock.com/stock-photos-images/1566-080742 I have grown Burle Marx for years, starting with some small plant I got at Roehr's in New Jersey in the late sixties. something about this photo looks highly massaged, and I do not know if it is colour enhancement or what, since I do not have those fancy programs to do that. As I recall, many of us plant people in NY and Massachussets who had the greenhouse facilities, grew this plant and many of us got them from Roehr's Nursery in East Rutherford New Jersey, a magical place. hermine HTML +More --=====================_3168265==.ALT-- --==============b89646585279602991==

From: "Tom Croat" <Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2012.12.28 at 18:58:28(22752) Dear Hermine: I wanted to suggest that we send this to a couple of my friends in Brazil for their comments. Would this be ok with you? Tom HTML +More Derek: Sorry that I asked about this. I did not realize that I still had the message. I will, with Hermine’s permission contact my Brazilian friends. Tom From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Hermine Stover Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:38 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron sp. 'Burle-Marx Fantasy' At 01:48 PM 12/26/2012, you wrote: Does anyone know the history of this plant? I found a stock photo of what looks like this species that may be growing in the wild.... http://www.superstock.com/stock-photos-images/1566-080742 I have grown Burle Marx for years, starting with some small plant I got at Roehr's in New Jersey in the late sixties. something about this photo looks highly massaged, and I do not know if it is colour enhancement or what, since I do not have those fancy programs to do that. As I recall, many of us plant people in NY and Massachussets who had the greenhouse facilities, grew this plant and many of us got them from Roehr's Nursery in East Rutherford New Jersey, a magical place. hermine ------_=_NextPart_001_01CDE52D.5259D9FA-- --==============P35729492028312979==

From: Hermine Stover <hermine at endangeredspecies.com> on 2012.12.30 at 23:52:43(22753) I am laughing that you ask my permission! Please, go and ask, with my blessings....by the way I later got some more Burle Marx from Jerry Horne in Miami FL. sometimes i bought plants of the same advertised name in order to see if they were really the same. in fact, I still do this. I remember seeing this picture in EXOTICA in the Brooklyn Public Library reference section and having a conniption fit of desire over it. middle 1960's when i was sort of an infant. hermine HTML +More Dear Hermine: I wanted to suggest that we send this to a couple of my friends in Brazil for their comments. Would this be ok with you? Tom Derek: Sorry that I asked about this. I did not realize that I still had the message. I will, with Hermine’s permission contact my Brazilian friends. Tom From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [ mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Hermine Stover Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:38 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron sp. 'Burle-Marx Fantasy' At 01:48 PM 12/26/2012, you wrote: Does anyone know the history of this plant? I found a stock photo of what looks like this species that may be growing in the wild.... http://www.superstock.com/stock-photos-images/1566-080742 I have grown Burle Marx for years, starting with some small plant I got at Roehr's in New Jersey in the late sixties. something about this photo looks highly massaged, and I do not know if it is colour enhancement or what, since I do not have those fancy programs to do that. As I recall, many of us plant people in NY and Massachussets who had the greenhouse facilities, grew this plant and many of us got them from Roehr's Nursery in East Rutherford New Jersey, a magical place. hermine --=====================_18006250==.ALT-- --==============�69668884509059723==

From: Hermine Stover <hermine at endangeredspecies.com> on 2012.12.30 at 23:52:43(22754) I am laughing that you ask my permission! Please, go and ask, with my blessings....by the way I later got some more Burle Marx from Jerry Horne in Miami FL. sometimes i bought plants of the same advertised name in order to see if they were really the same. in fact, I still do this. I remember seeing this picture in EXOTICA in the Brooklyn Public Library reference section and having a conniption fit of desire over it. middle 1960's when i was sort of an infant. hermine HTML +More Dear Hermine: I wanted to suggest that we send this to a couple of my friends in Brazil for their comments. Would this be ok with you? Tom Derek: Sorry that I asked about this. I did not realize that I still had the message. I will, with Hermine’s permission contact my Brazilian friends. Tom From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [ mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Hermine Stover Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:38 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron sp. 'Burle-Marx Fantasy' At 01:48 PM 12/26/2012, you wrote: Does anyone know the history of this plant? I found a stock photo of what looks like this species that may be growing in the wild.... http://www.superstock.com/stock-photos-images/1566-080742 I have grown Burle Marx for years, starting with some small plant I got at Roehr's in New Jersey in the late sixties. something about this photo looks highly massaged, and I do not know if it is colour enhancement or what, since I do not have those fancy programs to do that. As I recall, many of us plant people in NY and Massachussets who had the greenhouse facilities, grew this plant and many of us got them from Roehr's Nursery in East Rutherford New Jersey, a magical place. hermine --=====================_18006250==.ALT-- --==============`93735674986277849==

From: Brian Williams <pugturd at windstream.net> on 2012.12.31 at 00:52:44(22755) I seem to remember that the mature leaves of Burle Marx Fantasy are different once fully adult then compared to juvenile leaves. A dark blue green color with not markings and around 6 inches to just under 9 inches long. I have not seen many grow them to full size. Might be why it is not noticed as often in the wild? +More _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Corey W <cewickliffe at gmail.com> on 2012.12.31 at 03:56:06(22756) Tom, I was the one who posted the first bit asking for more information on 'Burle Marx Fantasy' and provided the link. I figured if anyone was interested I would pursue either getting a higher resolution copy of that photo (which would be larger with more detail) and/or follow up with the company to get ahold of the photographer and ask the locality the photo was taken at. I am very interested in learning more about this species as a whole, and I am a researcher so anything to help science LOL. Hermine - are we talking the same plant? I know there is a 'Burle Marx' (which I don't know much about but it is a large green plant that I'm not sure if it is a species or hybrid) and 'Burle Marx Fantasy' which is a small, slow growing, grey-green leaf with darker markings on the veins. The photo is right on for my plant, if not a bit more green likely from processing (likely HDR or just trying to make up for low light). This is not the juvenile form of 'Burle Marx', but a completely different plant from the same source. Often when I talk about 'Burle Marx Fantasy' there is confusion for those who haven't seen it, and I hope not to start or continue confusion over it. I don't even know if anyone has even managed to flower it. Best, Corey HTML +More On Dec 30, 2012 6:56 PM, "Hermine Stover" wrote: I am laughing that you ask my permission! Please, go and ask, with my blessings....by the way I later got some more Burle Marx from Jerry Horne in Miami FL. sometimes i bought plants of the same advertised name in order to see if they were really the same. in fact, I still do this. I remember seeing this picture in EXOTICA in the Brooklyn Public Library reference section and having a conniption fit of desire over it. middle 1960's when i was sort of an infant. hermine Dear Hermine: I wanted to suggest that we send this to a couple of my friends in Brazil for their comments. Would this be ok with you? Tom Derek: Sorry that I asked about this. I did not realize that I still had the message. I will, with Hermine�s permission contact my Brazilian friends. Tom From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [ mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Hermine Stover Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:38 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron sp. 'Burle-Marx Fantasy' At 01:48 PM 12/26/2012, you wrote: Does anyone know the history of this plant? I found a stock photo of what looks like this species that may be growing in the wild.... http://www.superstock.com/stock-photos-images/1566-080742 I have grown Burle Marx for years, starting with some small plant I got at Roehr's in New Jersey in the late sixties. something about this photo looks highly massaged, and I do not know if it is colour enhancement or what, since I do not have those fancy programs to do that. As I recall, many of us plant people in NY and Massachussets who had the greenhouse facilities, grew this plant and many of us got them from Roehr's Nursery in East Rutherford New Jersey, a magical place. hermine _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --14dae93407012e1a5504d21dfebe-- --==============H56044142273345950==

From: brian lee <lbmkjm at yahoo.com> on 2012.12.31 at 16:58:26(22757) Dear Corey, Aloha. I can clear up some of the confusion with Philodendron associated with the name, Burle Marx. HTML +More First of all, there is the species, Philodendron burle-marxii. It is very distinct in that it has pendant long bladed leaves. It is a slow climber with rather short internodes. Second, is a cultivar with the name, Philodendron 'Burle Marx'. It has prominent back lobes and fasciated or flattened stems that tend to branch copiously. It is a fast rambling vine. There is also an un-named(?) Philodendron that came from Roberto Burle-Marx, that does not have the fasciated stems, and smaller leaf blades, but, looks very similar to the cultivar in general characters. Third is the Philodendron 'Burle-Marx Fantasy', a vining species with beautifully marked juvenile leaves that lose this character when the leaves mature. I have only seen Philodendron burle-marxii in flower, and it tends to bloom with three inflorescences per petiole. The interior of the spathe is whitish, at least on the top portion. Aloha, Leland From: Corey W To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron sp. 'Burle-Marx Fantasy' Tom, I was the one who posted the first bit asking for more information on 'Burle Marx Fantasy' and provided the link. I figured if anyone was interested I would pursue either getting a higher resolution copy of that photo (which would be larger with more detail) and/or follow up with the company to get ahold of the photographer and ask the locality the photo was taken at. I am very interested in learning more about this species as a whole, and I am a researcher so anything to help science LOL. Hermine - are we talking the same plant? I know there is a 'Burle Marx' (which I don't know much about but it is a large green plant that I'm not sure if it is a species or hybrid) and 'Burle Marx Fantasy' which is a small, slow growing, grey-green leaf with darker markings on the veins. The photo is right on for my plant, if not a bit more green likely from processing (likely HDR or just trying to make up for low light). This is not the juvenile form of 'Burle Marx', but a completely different plant from the same source. Often when I talk about 'Burle Marx Fantasy' there is confusion for those who haven't seen it, and I hope not to start or continue confusion over it. I don't even know if anyone has even managed to flower it. Best, Corey On Dec 30, 2012 6:56 PM, "Hermine Stover" wrote: I am laughing that you ask my permission! Please, go and ask, with my blessings....by the way I later got some more Burle Marx from Jerry Horne in Miami FL. sometimes i bought plants of the same advertised name in order to see if they were really the same. in fact, I still do this. I remember seeing this picture in EXOTICA in the Brooklyn Public Library reference section and having a conniption fit of desire over it. middle 1960's when i was sort of an infant. hermine Dear Hermine: I wanted to suggest that we send this to a couple of my friends in Brazil for their comments. Would this be ok with you? Tom Derek: Sorry that I asked about this. I did not realize that I still had the message. I will, with Hermine’s permission contact my Brazilian friends. Tom From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [ mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Hermine Stover Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:38 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron sp. 'Burle-Marx Fantasy' At 01:48 PM 12/26/2012, you wrote: Does anyone know the history of this plant? I found a stock photo of what looks like this species that may be growing in the wild.... http://www.superstock.com/stock-photos-images/1566-080742 I have grown Burle Marx for years, starting with some small plant I got at Roehr's in New Jersey in the late sixties. something about this photo looks highly massaged, and I do not know if it is colour enhancement or what, since I do not have those fancy programs to do that. As I recall, many of us plant people in NY and Massachussets who had the greenhouse facilities, grew this plant and many of us got them from Roehr's Nursery in East Rutherford New Jersey, a magical place. hermine _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l ---537478627-1869482068-1356973106=:87465-- --==============�15857391752245657==

From: "Tom Croat" <Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2013.01.02 at 19:08:42(22759) Dear Corey: I have sent this picture to my friends in Brazil asking them if they know what this plant is. So far only Eduardo Goncalves has responded saying that he does not know it. It would be nice to get a “larger” image of this plant. Does anyone know just where in the Amazon region this species was seen? Tom HTML +More From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Corey W Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:56 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron sp. 'Burle-Marx Fantasy' Tom, I was the one who posted the first bit asking for more information on 'Burle Marx Fantasy' and provided the link. I figured if anyone was interested I would pursue either getting a higher resolution copy of that photo (which would be larger with more detail) and/or follow up with the company to get ahold of the photographer and ask the locality the photo was taken at. I am very interested in learning more about this species as a whole, and I am a researcher so anything to help science LOL. Hermine - are we talking the same plant? I know there is a 'Burle Marx' (which I don't know much about but it is a large green plant that I'm not sure if it is a species or hybrid) and 'Burle Marx Fantasy' which is a small, slow growing, grey-green leaf with darker markings on the veins. The photo is right on for my plant, if not a bit more green likely from processing (likely HDR or just trying to make up for low light). This is not the juvenile form of 'Burle Marx', but a completely different plant from the same source. Often when I talk about 'Burle Marx Fantasy' there is confusion for those who haven't seen it, and I hope not to start or continue confusion over it. I don't even know if anyone has even managed to flower it. Best, Corey On Dec 30, 2012 6:56 PM, "Hermine Stover" href="mailto:hermine@endangeredspecies.com"hermine@endangeredspecies.com/a> wrote: I am laughing that you ask my permission! Please, go and ask, with my blessings....by the way I later got some more Burle Marx from Jerry Horne in Miami FL. sometimes i bought plants of the same advertised name in order to see if they were really the same. in fact, I still do this. I remember seeing this picture in EXOTICA in the Brooklyn Public Library reference section and having a conniption fit of desire over it. middle 1960's when i was sort of an infant. hermine Dear Hermine: I wanted to suggest that we send this to a couple of my friends in Brazil for their comments. Would this be ok with you? Tom Derek: Sorry that I asked about this. I did not realize that I still had the message. I will, with Hermine’s permission contact my Brazilian friends. Tom From: href="mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com" target="_blank">aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [ mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Hermine Stover Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:38 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron sp. 'Burle-Marx Fantasy' At 01:48 PM 12/26/2012, you wrote: Does anyone know the history of this plant? I found a stock photo of what looks like this species that may be growing in the wild.... target="_blank">http://www.superstock.com/stock-photos-images/1566-080742 I have grown Burle Marx for years, starting with some small plant I got at Roehr's in New Jersey in the late sixties. something about this photo looks highly massaged, and I do not know if it is colour enhancement or what, since I do not have those fancy programs to do that. As I recall, many of us plant people in NY and Massachussets who had the greenhouse facilities, grew this plant and many of us got them from Roehr's Nursery in East Rutherford New Jersey, a magical place. hermine _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l ------_=_NextPart_001_01CDE91C.94714551-- --==============E23255004975254199==

From: Marcus Nadruz <mnadruz at jbrj.gov.br> on 2013.01.03 at 20:55:13(22764) Tom, Happy new year! I did not get that picture, you could resend again? thank you Marcus HTML +More 2013/1/2 Tom Croat Dear Corey: I have sent this picture to my friends in Brazil asking them if they know what this plant is. So far only Eduardo Goncalves has responded saying that he does not know it. It would be nice to get a �larger� image of this plant. Does anyone know just where in the Amazon region this species was seen? Tom From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Corey W Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:56 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron sp. 'Burle-Marx Fantasy' Tom, I was the one who posted the first bit asking for more information on 'Burle Marx Fantasy' and provided the link. I figured if anyone was interested I would pursue either getting a higher resolution copy of that photo (which would be larger with more detail) and/or follow up with the company to get ahold of the photographer and ask the locality the photo was taken at. I am very interested in learning more about this species as a whole, and I am a researcher so anything to help science LOL. Hermine - are we talking the same plant? I know there is a 'Burle Marx' (which I don't know much about but it is a large green plant that I'm not sure if it is a species or hybrid) and 'Burle Marx Fantasy' which is a small, slow growing, grey-green leaf with darker markings on the veins. The photo is right on for my plant, if not a bit more green likely from processing (likely HDR or just trying to make up for low light). This is not the juvenile form of 'Burle Marx', but a completely different plant from the same source. Often when I talk about 'Burle Marx Fantasy' there is confusion for those who haven't seen it, and I hope not to start or continue confusion over it. I don't even know if anyone has even managed to flower it. Best, Corey On Dec 30, 2012 6:56 PM, "Hermine Stover" wrote: I am laughing that you ask my permission! Please, go and ask, with my blessings....by the way I later got some more Burle Marx from Jerry Horne in Miami FL. sometimes i bought plants of the same advertised name in order to see if they were really the same. in fact, I still do this. I remember seeing this picture in EXOTICA in the Brooklyn Public Library reference section and having a conniption fit of desire over it. middle 1960's when i was sort of an infant. hermine Dear Hermine: I wanted to suggest that we send this to a couple of my friends in Brazil for their comments. Would this be ok with you? Tom Derek: Sorry that I asked about this. I did not realize that I still had the message. I will, with Hermine�s permission contact my Brazilian friends. Tom From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [ mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Hermine Stover Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:38 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron sp. 'Burle-Marx Fantasy' At 01:48 PM 12/26/2012, you wrote: Does anyone know the history of this plant? I found a stock photo of what looks like this species that may be growing in the wild.... http://www.superstock.com/stock-photos-images/1566-080742 I have grown Burle Marx for years, starting with some small plant I got at Roehr's in New Jersey in the late sixties. something about this photo looks highly massaged, and I do not know if it is colour enhancement or what, since I do not have those fancy programs to do that. As I recall, many of us plant people in NY and Massachussets who had the greenhouse facilities, grew this plant and many of us got them from Roehr's Nursery in East Rutherford New Jersey, a magical place. hermine _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- Marcus A. Nadruz Coelho Pesquisador Titular Diretoria de Pesquisas Instituto de Pesquisas Jardim Botanico do Rio de Janeiro/MMA 21 32042144 (http://www.jbrj.gov.br) Marcus A. Nadruz Coelho Pesquisador titular Diretoria de Pesquisas Instituto de Pesquisas Jardim Bot�nico do Rio de Janeiro/MMA Tel: (21) 32042144 www.jbrj.gov.br Contact me: Marcus Nadruz --14dae9340cb793eb7704d2689588-- --==============780686773559105473==

From: Michael Pascall <mickpascall at hotmail.com> on 2013.01.04 at 07:49:11(22765) Hope this image is not to large .  It is a very slow growing sp.  Michael Pascall, HTML +More From: mnadruz@jbrj.gov.br Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:55:13 -0200 To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron sp. 'Burle-Marx Fantasy' Tom, Happy new year! I did not get that picture, you could resend again? thank you Marcus 2013/1/2 Tom Croat <Thomas.Croat@mobot.org> Dear Corey:   I have sent this picture to my friends in Brazil asking them if they know what this plant is.  So far only Eduardo Goncalves has responded saying that he does not know it.  It would be nice to get a �larger� image of this plant. Does anyone know just where in the Amazon region this species was seen?   Tom   From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Corey W Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:56 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron sp. 'Burle-Marx Fantasy'   Tom, I was the one who posted the first bit asking for more information on 'Burle Marx Fantasy' and provided the link. I figured if anyone was interested I would pursue either getting a higher resolution copy of that photo (which would be larger with more detail) and/or follow up with the company to get ahold of the photographer and ask the locality the photo was taken at. I am very interested in learning more about this species as a whole, and I am a researcher so anything to help science LOL. Hermine - are we talking the same plant? I know there is a 'Burle Marx' (which I don't know much about but it is a large green plant that I'm not sure if it is a species or hybrid) and 'Burle Marx Fantasy'  which is a small, slow growing, grey-green leaf with darker markings on the veins. The photo is right on for my plant, if not a bit more green likely from processing (likely HDR or just trying to make up for low light). This is not the juvenile form of 'Burle Marx', but a completely different plant from the same source. Often when I talk about 'Burle Marx Fantasy' there is confusion for those who haven't seen it, and I hope not to start or continue confusion over it. I don't even know if anyone has even managed to flower it. Best, Corey On Dec 30, 2012 6:56 PM, "Hermine Stover" <hermine@endangeredspecies.com> wrote:   I am laughing that you ask my permission!  Please, go and ask, with my blessings....by the way I later got some more Burle Marx from Jerry Horne in  Miami FL. sometimes i bought plants of the same advertised name in order to see if they were really the same. in fact, I still do this. I remember seeing this picture in EXOTICA in the Brooklyn Public Library reference section and having a conniption fit of desire over it. middle 1960's when i was sort of an infant. hermine Dear Hermine:   I wanted to suggest that we send this to a couple of my friends in Brazil for their comments. Would this be ok with you?   Tom   Derek: Sorry that I asked about this. I did not realize that I still had the message.  I will, with Hermine�s permission contact my Brazilian friends.   Tom   From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [ mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Hermine Stover Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:38 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron sp. 'Burle-Marx Fantasy'   At 01:48 PM 12/26/2012, you wrote: Does anyone know the history of this plant? I found a stock photo of what looks like this species that may be growing in the wild.... http://www.superstock.com/stock-photos-images/1566-080742 I have grown Burle Marx for years, starting with some small plant I got at Roehr's in New Jersey in the late sixties. something about this photo looks highly massaged, and I do not know if it is colour enhancement or what, since I do not have those fancy programs to do that.  As I recall, many of us plant people in NY and Massachussets who had the greenhouse facilities, grew this plant and many of us got them from Roehr's Nursery in East Rutherford New Jersey, a magical place. hermine _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- Marcus A. Nadruz Coelho Pesquisador Titular Diretoria de Pesquisas Instituto de Pesquisas Jardim Botanico do Rio de Janeiro/MMA 21 32042144 (http://www.jbrj.gov.br) Marcus A. Nadruz Coelho Pesquisador titular Diretoria de Pesquisas Instituto de Pesquisas Jardim Bot�nico do Rio de Janeiro/MMA   Tel: (21) 32042144 www.jbrj.gov.br   Contact me: Marcus Nadruz _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --_94056139-c406-4519-8302-5ea1dcba71ef_-- --_bb6c590b-d4fd-4170-aa76-f9732a632d6f_

From: "Tom Croat" <Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2013.01.05 at 03:22:15(22766) Dear Michael: Many thanks. It is quite a distinctive thing but I assume that this is a juvenile form. Has anyone ever managed to flower the plant? Tom HTML +More From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Michael Pascall Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 1:49 AM To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron sp. 'Burle-Marx Fantasy' Hope this image is not to large . It is a very slow growing sp. Michael Pascall, From: mnadruz@jbrj.gov.br Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:55:13 -0200 To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron sp. 'Burle-Marx Fantasy' Tom, Happy new year! I did not get that picture, you could resend again? thank you Marcus 2013/1/2 Tom Croat Dear Corey: I have sent this picture to my friends in Brazil asking them if they know what this plant is. So far only Eduardo Goncalves has responded saying that he does not know it. It would be nice to get a “larger” image of this plant. Does anyone know just where in the Amazon region this species was seen? Tom From: href="mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com">aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Corey W Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:56 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron sp. 'Burle-Marx Fantasy' Tom, I was the one who posted the first bit asking for more information on 'Burle Marx Fantasy' and provided the link. I figured if anyone was interested I would pursue either getting a higher resolution copy of that photo (which would be larger with more detail) and/or follow up with the company to get ahold of the photographer and ask the locality the photo was taken at. I am very interested in learning more about this species as a whole, and I am a researcher so anything to help science LOL. Hermine - are we talking the same plant? I know there is a 'Burle Marx' (which I don't know much about but it is a large green plant that I'm not sure if it is a species or hybrid) and 'Burle Marx Fantasy' which is a small, slow growing, grey-green leaf with darker markings on the veins. The photo is right on for my plant, if not a bit more green likely from processing (likely HDR or just trying to make up for low light). This is not the juvenile form of 'Burle Marx', but a completely different plant from the same source. Often when I talk about 'Burle Marx Fantasy' there is confusion for those who haven't seen it, and I hope not to start or continue confusion over it. I don't even know if anyone has even managed to flower it. Best, Corey On Dec 30, 2012 6:56 PM, "Hermine Stover" href="mailto:hermine@endangeredspecies.com"hermine@endangeredspecies.com/a> wrote: I am laughing that you ask my permission! Please, go and ask, with my blessings....by the way I later got some more Burle Marx from Jerry Horne in Miami FL. sometimes i bought plants of the same advertised name in order to see if they were really the same. in fact, I still do this. I remember seeing this picture in EXOTICA in the Brooklyn Public Library reference section and having a conniption fit of desire over it. middle 1960's when i was sort of an infant. hermine Dear Hermine: I wanted to suggest that we send this to a couple of my friends in Brazil for their comments. Would this be ok with you? Tom Derek: Sorry that I asked about this. I did not realize that I still had the message. I will, with Hermine’s permission contact my Brazilian friends. Tom From: href="mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com">aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [ mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Hermine Stover Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:38 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron sp. 'Burle-Marx Fantasy' At 01:48 PM 12/26/2012, you wrote: Does anyone know the history of this plant? I found a stock photo of what looks like this species that may be growing in the wild.... target="_blank">http://www.superstock.com/stock-photos-images/1566-080742 I have grown Burle Marx for years, starting with some small plant I got at Roehr's in New Jersey in the late sixties. something about this photo looks highly massaged, and I do not know if it is colour enhancement or what, since I do not have those fancy programs to do that. As I recall, many of us plant people in NY and Massachussets who had the greenhouse facilities, grew this plant and many of us got them from Roehr's Nursery in East Rutherford New Jersey, a magical place. hermine _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- Marcus A. Nadruz Coelho Pesquisador Titular Diretoria de Pesquisas Instituto de Pesquisas Jardim Botanico do Rio de Janeiro/MMA 21 32042144 (http://www.jbrj.gov.br) Marcus A. Nadruz Coelho Pesquisador titular Diretoria de Pesquisas Instituto de Pesquisas Jardim Bot�nico do Rio de Janeiro/MMA Tel: (21) 32042144 www.jbrj.gov.br Contact me: Marcus Nadruz _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l ------_=_NextPart_001_01CDEAF3.DC6EC89A-- --==============�84140854924077227==

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