help for identification of a philodendron

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Valentine_Tib=E8re?= <tibere at tzib.net> on 2013.11.21 at 12:40:21(22938) (File Type Not Recognized: attachments/131121120206-2.png) Hi I am a writer specialized in chocolate and keen on plants. I make an incursion in the flowers the most illustrated in meso-american iconography and I am trying to identify the philodendron of codex badianus. Is it a saggitifolium (alias sanguineum) despite her leaves are indented or a melanochrysum but the inflorescence is not red ? Thanks for your help and advice Valentine Tibere HTML +More Valentine Tibère Tél: +336 16 49 29 14 Facebook: valentine.tibere Site: lesroutesduchocolat.com --Apple-Mail=_A03078ED-0A34-458E-A0A2-701AE715300E Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename=huacalxochitl2.jpg

From: "Marek Argent" <abri1973 at wp.pl> on 2013.11.21 at 23:56:34(22942) (File Type Not Recognized: attachments/131122004704-2.png) The leaves speak for a stylized Ph. verrucosum, but the colours of the inflorescence are exchanged - the spadix is red http://www.aroidpictures.fr/MONTET/philoverrucosumncy.html Best Marek Argent HTML +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Valentine Tibère To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 1:40 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] help for identification of a philodendron Hi I am a writer specialized in chocolate and keen on plants. I make an incursion in the flowers the most illustrated in meso-american iconography and I am trying to identify the philodendron of codex badianus. Is it a saggitifolium (alias sanguineum) despite her leaves are indented or a melanochrysum but the inflorescence is not red ? Thanks for your help and advice Valentine Tibere Valentine Tibère Tél: +336 16 49 29 14 Facebook: valentine.tibere Site: lesroutesduchocolat.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l ------=_NextPart_001_013B_01CEE71D.B0AD7A70-- ------=_NextPart_000_013A_01CEE71D.B0A8BF80

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Valentine_Tib=E8re?= <tibere at tzib.net> on 2013.11.22 at 10:09:48(22944) Thanks Marek for your answer. i was thinking of melanochrysum because of this photo from the kew gardens that I found on the web. What do you think. Is the first one a verrucosum one ? Valentine Tibère Tél: +336 16 49 29 14 Facebook: valentine.tibere Site: lesroutesduchocolat.com Le 22 nov. 2013 à 00:56, Marek Argent a écrit : HTML +More The leaves speak for a stylized Ph. verrucosum, but the colours of the inflorescence are exchanged - the spadix is red http://www.aroidpictures.fr/MONTET/philoverrucosumncy.html Best Marek Argent ----- Original Message ----- From: Valentine Tibère To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 1:40 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] help for identification of a philodendron Hi I am a writer specialized in chocolate and keen on plants. I make an incursion in the flowers the most illustrated in meso-american iconography and I am trying to identify the philodendron of codex badianus. Is it a saggitifolium (alias sanguineum) despite her leaves are indented or a melanochrysum but the inflorescence is not red ? Thanks for your help and advice Valentine Tibere Valentine Tibère Tél: +336 16 49 29 14 Facebook: valentine.tibere Site: lesroutesduchocolat.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --Apple-Mail=_C915558F-4607-420A-AFFE-29C89BE35ADD Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="philodendron melanochrysum kew garden.jpg"

From: "Ertelt, Jonathan B" <jonathan.ertelt at Vanderbilt.Edu> on 2013.11.22 at 22:02:53(22947) Valentine, My reaction would have to be that neither of these leaves represents a Philodendron, and only the right one with the more matte finish leaf could somewhat be considered a climber. Of course the other challenge is that the plant you have illustrated has what must be roots but certainly look more like tendrils, not a characteristic of aroids. There are definitely some interpretive aspects to the original drawings no matter what direction you go. Good luck. Jonathan HTML +More On 11/22/13 4:09 AM, "Valentine Tibère" wrote: Thanks Marek for your answer. i was thinking of melanochrysum because of this photo from the kew gardens that I found on the web. What do you think. Is the first one a verrucosum one ? Valentine Tibère Tél: +336 16 49 29 14 Facebook: valentine.tibere Site: lesroutesduchocolat.com Le 22 nov. 2013 à 00:56, Marek Argent a écrit : The leaves speak for a stylized Ph. verrucosum, but the colours of the inflorescence are exchanged - the spadix is red http://www.aroidpictures.fr/MONTET/philoverrucosumncy.html Best Marek Argent ----- Original Message ----- From: Valentine Tibère To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 1:40 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] help for identification of a philodendron Hi I am a writer specialized in chocolate and keen on plants. I make an incursion in the flowers the most illustrated in meso-american iconography and I am trying to identify the philodendron of codex badianus. Is it a saggitifolium (alias sanguineum) despite her leaves are indented or a melanochrysum but the inflorescence is not red ? Thanks for your help and advice Valentine Tibere Valentine Tibère Tél: +336 16 49 29 14 Facebook: valentine.tibere Site: lesroutesduchocolat.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --_000_73255943A0E58248872276ECE91F966469D4D3B3ITSHCWNEM108dsv_-- --_004_73255943A0E58248872276ECE91F966469D4D3B3ITSHCWNEM108dsv_

From: "Ertelt, Jonathan B" <jonathan.ertelt at Vanderbilt.Edu> on 2013.11.23 at 01:05:17(22948) (File Type Not Recognized: attachments/131125093202-2.png) My apologies - I was not familiar with this Philodendron at the more mature stage - I was thinking that the leaf looked more like Anthurium waroqueanum, though that's from older recollections. Jonathan HTML +More From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] on behalf of Marek Argent [abri1973@wp.pl] Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 5:38 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] help for identification of a philodendron Hello, The first one is Alocasia 'Polly', the 2nd is Philodendron melanochrysum. Ph. verrucosum looks so (note the underside of the leaves) http://araceum.abrimaal.pro-e.pl/philodendron/verrucosum.htm http://www.aroidpictures.fr/GENRES/philodendronm-z.html#verrucosum Marek ----- Original Message ----- From: Valentine Tibère To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 1:40 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] help for identification of a philodendron Hi I am a writer specialized in chocolate and keen on plants. I make an incursion in the flowers the most illustrated in meso-american iconography and I am trying to identify the philodendron of codex badianus. Is it a saggitifolium (alias sanguineum) despite her leaves are indented or a melanochrysum but the inflorescence is not red ? Thanks for your help and advice Valentine Tibere Valentine Tibère Tél: +336 16 49 29 14 Facebook: valentine.tibere Site: lesroutesduchocolat.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --_000_73255943A0E58248872276ECE91F966469D4D680ITSHCWNEM108dsv_-- --_005_73255943A0E58248872276ECE91F966469D4D680ITSHCWNEM108dsv_

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