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Dieffenbachia seguine
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From: Jason Hernandez <jason.hernandez74 at yahoo.com>
on 2016.06.30 at 03:41:31(23646)
Dear aroiders,
In a couple of months, I plan to go once again to the Dominican Republic, where Dieffenbachia seguine is common. Unfortunately, my search for primary literature on this species turns up almost entirely papers having to do with the species in cultivation, little if anything on its life in its natural habitat. Does anyone know where I can find out about its life history, natural history, ecology, and so forth?
Jason Hernandez
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From: "John Criswick" <criswick at spiceisle.com>
on 2016.06.30 at 13:29:17(23647)
Jason, I cannot help you in this regard but wonder if you could tell me the meaning of the name “seguine”. It is of interest to me because in Grenada where I live and where Dieffenbachia seguine occurs, the local name for this plant is “siggin”. At least, that is how it is pronounced.
John Criswick.
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From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Jason Hernandez
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 8:42 PM
To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com
Subject: [Aroid-l] Dieffenbachia seguine
Dear aroiders,
In a couple of months, I plan to go once again to the Dominican Republic, where Dieffenbachia seguine is common. Unfortunately, my search for primary literature on this species turns up almost entirely papers having to do with the species in cultivation, little if anything on its life in its natural habitat. Does anyone know where I can find out about its life history, natural history, ecology, and so forth?
Jason Hernandez
Naturalist-at-Large
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From: Nancy Greig <ngreig at hmns.org>
on 2016.06.30 at 20:57:31(23648)
I believe “Seguin” was probably the name of the original collector.
Nancy Greig
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From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com]
On Behalf Of John Criswick
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:29 AM
To: 'Discussion of aroids'
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Dieffenbachia seguine
Jason, I cannot help you in this regard but wonder if you could tell me the meaning of the name “seguine”. It is of interest to me because in Grenada where I live and where Dieffenbachia
seguine occurs, the local name for this plant is “siggin”. At least, that is how it is pronounced.
John Criswick.
From:
aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com]
On Behalf Of Jason Hernandez
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 8:42 PM
To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com
Subject: [Aroid-l] Dieffenbachia seguine
Dear aroiders,
In a couple of months, I plan to go once again to the Dominican Republic, where Dieffenbachia seguine is common. Unfortunately, my search
for primary literature on this species turns up almost entirely papers having to do with the species in cultivation, little if anything on its life in its natural habitat. Does anyone know where I can find out about its life history, natural history, ecology,
and so forth?
Jason Hernandez
Naturalist-at-Large
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From: "John Criswick" <criswick at spiceisle.com>
on 2016.07.01 at 01:26:22(23649)
Very possibly but is he mentioned anywhere as a collector? ( There was a Juan Seguin who took part in the Texas revolution.) It is remarkable that a Spanish collector’s name would have become the common name for a plant in an island with no Spanish history whatsoever. The pronunciation has been retained almost unchanged, in a French creole- speaking island.
From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Greig
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 1:58 PM
To: 'Discussion of aroids'
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Dieffenbachia seguine
I believe “Seguin” was probably the name of the original collector.
Nancy Greig
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Director, Cockrell Butterfly Center
Houston Museum of Natural Science
5555 Hermann Park Drive
Houston, TX 77030-1799
Tel 713-639-4742
www.hmns.org
From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of John Criswick
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:29 AM
To: 'Discussion of aroids'
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Dieffenbachia seguine
Jason, I cannot help you in this regard but wonder if you could tell me the meaning of the name “seguine”. It is of interest to me because in Grenada where I live and where Dieffenbachia seguine occurs, the local name for this plant is “siggin”. At least, that is how it is pronounced.
John Criswick.
From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Jason Hernandez
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 8:42 PM
To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com
Subject: [Aroid-l] Dieffenbachia seguine
Dear aroiders,
In a couple of months, I plan to go once again to the Dominican Republic, where Dieffenbachia seguine is common. Unfortunately, my search for primary literature on this species turns up almost entirely papers having to do with the species in cultivation, little if anything on its life in its natural habitat. Does anyone know where I can find out about its life history, natural history, ecology, and so forth?
Jason Hernandez
Naturalist-at-Large
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From: "Marek Argent" <abri1973 at wp.pl>
on 2016.06.30 at 23:06:31(23650)
Hello,
I think it is pronounced "segin", similarly to "begin", with the accent on -in, but e is phonetic, not "ee".
Marek
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From: John Criswick
To: 'Discussion of aroids'
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Dieffenbachia seguine
Jason, I cannot help you in this regard but wonder if you could tell me the meaning of the name “seguine”. It is of interest to me because in Grenada where I live and where Dieffenbachia seguine occurs, the local name for this plant is “siggin”. At least, that is how it is pronounced.
John Criswick.
From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Jason Hernandez
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 8:42 PM
To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com
Subject: [Aroid-l] Dieffenbachia seguine
Dear aroiders,
In a couple of months, I plan to go once again to the Dominican Republic, where Dieffenbachia seguine is common. Unfortunately, my search for primary literature on this species turns up almost entirely papers having to do with the species in cultivation, little if anything on its life in its natural habitat. Does anyone know where I can find out about its life history, natural history, ecology, and so forth?
Jason Hernandez
Naturalist-at-Large
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From: "John Criswick" <criswick at spiceisle.com>
on 2016.07.01 at 21:31:36(23652)
Thanks Marek. Allowing for changes in pronunciation over time and place, “siggin” is still remarkably similar to “seggin”. (I write these as an Anglophone would pronounce them.)
John.
From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Marek Argent
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Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:07 PM
To: Discussion of aroids
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Dieffenbachia seguine
Hello,
I think it is pronounced "segin", similarly to "begin", with the accent on -in, but e is phonetic, not "ee".
Marek
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From: John Criswick
To: 'Discussion of aroids'
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Dieffenbachia seguine
Jason, I cannot help you in this regard but wonder if you could tell me the meaning of the name “seguine”. It is of interest to me because in Grenada where I live and where Dieffenbachia seguine occurs, the local name for this plant is “siggin”. At least, that is how it is pronounced.
John Criswick.
From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Jason Hernandez
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 8:42 PM
To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com
Subject: [Aroid-l] Dieffenbachia seguine
Dear aroiders,
In a couple of months, I plan to go once again to the Dominican Republic, where Dieffenbachia seguine is common. Unfortunately, my search for primary literature on this species turns up almost entirely papers having to do with the species in cultivation, little if anything on its life in its natural habitat. Does anyone know where I can find out about its life history, natural history, ecology, and so forth?
Jason Hernandez
Naturalist-at-Large
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From: "Marek Argent" <abri1973 at wp.pl>
on 2016.07.08 at 22:19:49(23657)
Nobody said it means "to begin". I said that the pronounciation of "seguine" may be similar to English "begin".
Marek
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From: John Criswick
To: 'Discussion of aroids'
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Dieffenbachia seguine
In which language does seguin or seguine mean “to begin”?
John.
From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Jason Hernandez
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 7:23 PM
To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Dieffenbachia seguine
But then the question is, why would it be called by a word that means "to begin"?
As I think I may have suggested last time we had this conversation, I wonder if the Arawak name for this plant was something that sounded similar, and early colonists adopted the name without changing it? We have other examples of plant names where this has occurred, such as sarsaparilla and sassafras in North America.
So, in conclusion, it appears no one can answer my original question.
Jason Hernandez
Naturalist-at-Large
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Thanks Marek. Allowing for changes in pronunciation over time and place, ?siggin? is still remarkably similar to ?seggin?. (I write these as an Anglophone would pronounce them.)
John.
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From: Sherry Gates <thetropix at msn.com>
on 2016.07.08 at 20:01:06(23658)
Hi All,
Just for the heck of it I wanted to mention this regarding Sassafrass & Sarsaparilla.
"We have other examples of plant names where this has occurred, such as sarsaparilla and sassafras in North America."
I may not have fully understood if it was being suggested they might be the same thing/plant/drink. They're not the same plant. One is a tree and one is a large vine (Smilax) with large thorns that'll take the hide off a hog. Smilax roots will grow
as big as a man's arm (or leg!). I've also heard that the Native Americans used to make smoking pipes out of them, too... but I don't know if they did or not.
Have a great weekend, everyone! sherry
From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com on behalf of John Criswick
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 6:03 PM
To: 'Discussion of aroids'
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Dieffenbachia seguine
In which language does seguin or seguine mean “to begin”?
John.
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From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com]
On Behalf Of Jason Hernandez
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 7:23 PM
To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Dieffenbachia seguine
But then the question is, why would it be called by a word that means "to begin"?
As I think I may have suggested last time we had this conversation, I wonder if the Arawak name for this plant was something that sounded similar, and early colonists adopted the
name without changing it? We have other examples of plant names where this has occurred, such as sarsaparilla and sassafras in North America.
So, in conclusion, it appears no one can answer my original question.
Jason Hernandez
Naturalist-at-Large
From: "John Criswick"
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Dieffenbachia seguine
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