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  Spathiphyllum
From: "Toby Marsden" <tobym at beer.com> on 1999.04.20 at 13:06:53(3287)
Hi All,

I wonder if anyone knows of sources of _SPECIES_ Spathiphyllum within the EU
(except wallisii!). My research has shown very little, except that several
species were available in Britain almost 10 years ago (!). All attempts to
track down specimens have proven fruitless.

Even knowing of nurseries in the US would help... but is obviously harder
due to the paperwork involved.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Kindest Regards,

Toby

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From: Wilbert Hetterscheid <hetter at vkc.nl> on 1999.04.21 at 08:30:56(3292)
Toby,

Momentarily the breeding of Spathiphyllum is almost entirely based on
swarms of hybrids and species names are no longer applicable or wanted.
The one that is recognisable to species is S. floribundum, every now and
then but the name is quite often wrongly applied to cultivars as 'Mauna
Loa' etc., which are way too large for the species and are in effect
hybrids too.

Sorry but I am afraid you're attempts will be in vain.

Cheers,
Wilbert

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From: "Toby Marsden" <tobym at beer.com> on 1999.04.21 at 13:39:08(3294)
Wilbert,

>Momentarily the breeding of Spathiphyllum is almost entirely based on
>swarms of hybrids and species names are no longer applicable or wanted.
>The one that is recognisable to species is S. floribundum, every now and
>then but the name is quite often wrongly applied to cultivars as 'Mauna
>Loa' etc., which are way too large for the species and are in effect
>hybrids too.

>
>Sorry but I am afraid you're attempts will be in vain.

I have had an offer from a collector in the netherlands (Hans Avelink) for
S. floribundum as well as two undefined species (ID'll be tricky, no?). I
know that there are several institutions within the UK that have a number of
Spath species - I'm trying to "cultivate" a relationship with them!

Thanks for your message, and I'll keep looking and hoping.

Kindest regards,

Toby

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From: GeoffAroid at aol.com on 1999.04.22 at 09:02:17(3295)
Toby,

Like you I have tried to obtain Spathiphyllum species without much luck. I do
remember seeing one grower with a beautiful dwarf species only about 6 inches
or so high with broad, rounded leaves and I think reflexed spathes. He did
not know the species. I think it was the Rainforest (I think thats the name)
nursery near Oxford and they might be worth contacting (I will try and dig
out their address if I havent already given it to you in the past). Regarding
the two unidentified species from the grower in the Netherlands, there is a
published key to the genus which I can get a copy of for you if and when you
need/want it. Its a few years old now but might be of use. Let me know.
Geoffrey Kibby

From: "Peter Boyce" <pb02kg at lion.rbgkew.org.uk> on 1999.04.22 at 11:25:30(3298)
Geoff/Toby

The plant you describe, Spathiphyllum floribundum, was sold by
the now-defunct nursery Anmore Exotics (now Wyld Court
Rainforest - a private tropical plant collection) at Hamstead
Norreys, near Reading in Berkshire, UK.

Spathiphyllum floribundum periodically appears in the trade in the
UK but is not anywhere so easy to grow as the 'wallisii/Mauna Loa'
types and thus seldom remains in cult. for long.

Two other species are available (sorry if you've got these and have
said so, Toby, I've not been following all of this discussion):
Sainsbury Homebase (for the benefit of US aroid-l folks this is a
chain D.I.Y. supermarket here in the UK) is selling S.
coclearispathum at some of its outlets for 20 quid or so and several
aquarist stores are selling Spathiphyllum cannifolium or S.
commutatum (probably the latter) as a fishtank decorative under
the name 'Kelantan Sword'. Next time you're at Kew, Toby, take a
look the spathiphyllums in the Victoria Tank in the Princess of
Wales Conservatory, they are plants I got as 'Kelantan Sword' from
an aquarist near Heathrow.

Pete

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From: GeoffAroid at aol.com on 1999.04.23 at 08:05:49(3300)
Peter,

Many thanks for the info, I will certainly go to my nearest Homebase and hunt
for S. cochlearispathum, a species I am not familiar with. If I find one I
will let Toby know, plus there are several Aquarists near me that I can check
for the other species. I will post the results of my searches over this
weekend to the list. When I lived in the US a few years ago there was a very
miniature species widely for sale there in some supermarkets, anyone know
which species that is? It was very attractive but I didnt find it very easy
to grow.

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From: "Peter Boyce" <pb02kg at lion.rbgkew.org.uk> on 1999.04.23 at 09:07:34(3302)
Geoff

The very small Spath., did it look like a miniaturized S. wallisii? If
so, then it's a cultivar but I don't know the name off hand. It's also
for sale in the UK but is sensitive.

Wilbert might know what thebDutch trade is callling it (assuming
that the stocks for sale in the UK originate from Holland).

Pete

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From: GeoffAroid at aol.com on 1999.04.23 at 15:13:45(3303)
Peter,

No, it was nothing like S. wallisii, the spathe (casting my mind back) was
small and rather rounded or at least blunt at the tip and reflexed, and the
leaves were broader, thicker in texture and not shiny like wallisi. Very
pretty little thing.

Went searching in 3 Homebases today for S. cochlearispathum but all I saw
was wallisii and the giant S. "sensation" :-( Peter, if you should see it
in your travels around London or elsewhere will you let me know, I am willing
to travel long distances to get one (I am near Wimbledon).

Best wishes,
Geoffrey

From: GeoffAroid at aol.com on 1999.04.25 at 16:31:23(3304)
>Geoff
>
>The very small Spath., did it look like a miniaturized S. wallisii? If
>
>so, then it's a cultivar but I don't know the name off hand. It's also
>
>for sale in the UK but is sensitive.
>
>Wilbert might know what thebDutch trade is callling it (assuming
>that the stocks for sale in the UK originate from Holland).
>
>Pete
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From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at email.msn.com> on 1999.04.25 at 16:36:30(3305)
>>aquarist stores are selling Spathiphyllum cannifolium or S.
commutatum (probably the latter) as a fishtank decorative under
the name 'Kelantan Sword'. Next time you're at Kew, Toby, take a
look the spathiphyllums in the Victoria Tank in the Princess of
Wales Conservatory, they are plants I got as 'Kelantan Sword' from
an aquarist near Heathrow.

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From: "Peter Boyce" <Boyce at pothos.demon.co.uk> on 1999.04.25 at 16:52:58(3306)
Geoff

That thing sounds like S. floribundum.

Was at a Homebase today (at Slough) but no S. cochlearispathum...will of
course keep an eye open for it and let you know.

Pete

From: "Peter Boyce" <Boyce at pothos.demon.co.uk> on 1999.04.26 at 07:41:02(3308)
Julius

They are growing with their pots submerged to within 1 cm of the rims. Water
temp. 80F (mid 20s C). They're in a heavy loamy compost and flower almost
continuously.

Pete

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From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at email.msn.com> on 1999.04.27 at 08:09:26(3309)
>Julius

They are growing with their pots submerged to within 1 cm of the rims. Water
temp. 80F (mid 20s C). They're in a heavy loamy compost and flower almost
continuously.

Pete

p.s. I got your 'strange Caladium' mailing and will be answering.

Pete<

Dear Pete,
Thanks for the info. on S. cannifolium, I love these plants as they were a
big part of my 'growing up'.
Hope you are interested in doing something w/ this VERY strange
'Caladium'(?) as I have a gut feeling that there may be something 'special'
about it.
Look forward to hearing from you when time permits.
Sincerely,
Julius

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From: Wilbert Hetterscheid <hetter at vkc.nl> on 1999.05.17 at 11:14:11(3365)
The only true small Spathiphyllum in the Dutch trade is S. floribundum.
The suggestion that S. 'Mauna Loa' is a cultivar of this species is a
notorious, yet persistent mistake.

Wilbert

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From: Diana Pederson <enabling at netzero.net> on 1999.05.18 at 07:59:46(3368)
Can anyone tell me about the origin of Spathiphyloum Domino? I love
its variegation.
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From: claire.piette at rug.ac.be on 2000.12.14 at 07:48:24(5776)
We have some troubles with the scientific name of Spahiphyllum
'Alpha'. Is this cultivar a wallisii or a floribundum?
We think floribundums have a small flower and thick, small leaves,
whereas wallisii's are bigger and have thinner leaves. 'Alpha' seems
to be wallisii. Is this true?
Hope someone can help me.

Claire

From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" hetter at worldonline.nl> on 2000.12.15 at 08:16:19(5778)
Claire,

In general, your descriptions of wallisii and floribundum seem o.k. but in
cultivar-nomenclature, species names are often discarded because the genetic
history (breeding history) includes material of more than one species. Such
is the case with quite many Spathiphyllum cultivars. The name Spathiphyllum
'Alpha' in itself is enough to identify the cultivar and keep its name
unique. Why would you go to lenghts to try to discover if it has the right
to have a species name as well? It may even be misleading.

Sorry, rather depressing answer, isn't it?

Wilbert Hetterscheid

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