Neil Carroll's last IAS Newsletter

From: "Peter Boyce" p.boyce at rbgkew.org.uk> on 2001.05.11 at 15:38:18(6422) Scott, Ron The least I can do is give you a list of what will be in the next Aroideana (just gone to press, due out in July). If you'd like something more (maybe the abstracts of the various papers as well?) just say. One thing I would like to include is a plea (yes again!) for folks to contribute non-scientific articles to Aroideana. I am getting very concerned that Aroidaean is becoming completely science-based and that it will turn folks off. The main problem is, as I've repeated all too often, I can only publish what I'm sent to publish! Cheers Pete +More ---------------------------- Peter Boyce Herbarium Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew Richmond, Surrey TW9 3AE Tel. (+44) (0)20 8 332 5207 fax. (+44) (0)20 8 332 5278 email: p.boyce@rbgkew.org.uk (work) boyce@pothos.demon.co.uk (home)

From: StellrJ at aol.com on 2001.05.14 at 00:13:18(6434) In a message dated Fri, 11 May 2001 11:38:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Peter Boyce" writes: << I am getting very concerned that Aroidaean is becoming completely science-based +More and that it will turn folks off.>> Well, if it makes you feel better, the science is what keeps me subscribed. Were it not for the science articles, I would more likely switch to Biotropica or one of the other, bigger journals. But, since IAS is for ALL aroid enthusiasts, I agree that horticultural writing belongs here, too. So all you expert (or at least comptent) growers (that lets me out!) write up your stuff! (That reminds me -- I've got to work more on that S. kotoensis piece.) Jason Hernandez Naturalist-at-Large

From: "Peter Boyce" p.boyce at rbgkew.org.uk> on 2001.05.14 at 14:55:04(6438) Jason Many thanks for your email - lovely to here that we're putting into Aroideana that which people want to read! Pete +More ---------------------------- Peter Boyce Herbarium Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew Richmond, Surrey TW9 3AE Tel. (+44) (0)20 8 332 5207 fax. (+44) (0)20 8 332 5278 email: p.boyce@rbgkew.org.uk (work) boyce@pothos.demon.co.uk (home)

From: Betsy Feuerstein ecuador at midsouth.rr.com> on 2001.05.14 at 20:11:04(6444) It was my impression that Aroideana was to be scientific and the Newletter to be the flip side of the coin. I would like to see some growing in Aroideana, but to clutter it with amateur 'stuff' might take away from its professional approach. In fact, years ago, it was held to that strict standard. What has changed in the big world to alter this? I will be the first to say, that I read very little of the scientific stuff, but it does have its place. I like the folksy, friendly, plant growing, collecting, human aspects that come through in the Newsletters of the past. When the Newsletter becomes just a more timely addenda to Aroideana, then I think we have left out the backbone of this organization, the little guy who just loves his Aroids. We need to have a place for growing questions and answers, observations of plant people, just talk of plants and the fun of the comraderie of such communication. The Newsletter needs to be an extension of Aroid L banter. David Leedy ever so many years ago, did such a great job of putting the human side of plants onto paper. Now, I know this was before Email, but I looked forward to getting the Newsletter and to reading it. I look at the photos in Aroideana and if something catches my eye, I read further. I want to read the Newsletter, not a two minute Oh, and done. I guess what I am saying is it is the grower, little guy who is the backbone of this organization, the guy or gal who just loves plants, and that is not what is being honored with its publications. Now, I know some of you enjoy the scientific stuff and that is great, but many of us just want down to earth dirty plant stuff so it is my hope that the Newletter will become some new form of meeting that desire to communicate the growing stuff, the little guy fun stuff. Let's put the fun in the Newsletter and the scientific stuff in the Aroideana and then all the needs get met. Just don't forget the desires of the guy who pays the bills in general. Some Aroid L stuff could be incorporated into the Newletter to get material for print. If its good, it is worth seeing again. And let's get some FUN into the Newsletter! There are many who do the day to day drudgery work of this organization and I would like to see them get credit for what they do and then remember the ones who just have the steady hand in growing and getting this stuff out there. Dewey is the one who comes to mind and we could make it where when things are available, they could be mentioned so all could have a chance. Not all have computers and they are at a distinct disadvantage because they do not get Aroid L. It might be that those that do have computers could get their Newsletter that way and the others get it via snail mail. That could cut down on the printing and mailing costs. I don't know how others might like things, but I think now that we are going to have a new person doing the Newsletter, now is the time to put our ideas on the table. Neal's first Newsletter was fantastic with all of the pictures. I know it is one heck of a lot of work but whoever does it, I would rather see it regularly with a bit less than to see it so rarely. We need to get back as an organization that fulfills what it says it does. If it is four times a year, then it should be four times a year. If it is two pages, once a month, then it should come out once a month. We need to get our act together. Now, others please chip in and give your two cents worth of ideas so that we can get things moving. Thanks, Betsy +More StellrJ@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated Fri, 11 May 2001 11:38:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Peter Boyce" writes: > > << I am getting very > concerned that Aroidaean is becoming completely science-based > and that it will turn folks off.>> > > Well, if it makes you feel better, the science is what keeps me subscribed. Were it not for the science articles, I would more likely switch to Biotropica or one of the other, bigger journals. But, since IAS is for ALL aroid enthusiasts, I agree that horticultural writing belongs here, too. So all you expert (or at least comptent) growers (that lets me out!) write up your stuff! (That reminds me -- I've got to work more on that S. kotoensis piece.) > > Jason Hernandez > Naturalist-at-Large

From: "Jeff&jodi Rosenstiel" jjjj at winternet.com> on 2001.05.14 at 23:51:43(6448) Hi, was wondering , when does the news letter come out? I know I haven't received one sense last year some time, was just wondering if anyone could help me out, I know I paid my dues on time? thanks jeff +More ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list AROID-L" Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 3:11 PM Subject: Re: Neil Carroll's last IAS Newsletter > It was my impression that Aroideana was to be scientific and the Newletter to be the flip side of the coin. I would like to see some growing in Aroideana, but to clutter it with amateur 'stuff' might take away from its professional approach. In fact, years ago, it was held to that strict standard. What has changed in the big world to alter this? I will be the first to say, that I read very little of the scientific stuff, but it does have its place. I like > the folksy, friendly, plant growing, collecting, human aspects that come through in the Newsletters of the past. When the Newsletter becomes just a more timely addenda to Aroideana, then I think we have left out the backbone of this organization, the little guy who just loves his Aroids. We need to have a place for growing questions and answers, observations of plant people, just talk of plants and the fun of the comraderie of such communication. The > Newsletter needs to be an extension of Aroid L banter. David Leedy ever so many years ago, did such a great job of putting the human side of plants onto paper. Now, I know this was before Email, but I looked forward to getting the Newsletter and to reading it. I look at the photos in Aroideana and if something catches my eye, I read further. I want to read the Newsletter, not a two minute Oh, and done. > > I guess what I am saying is it is the grower, little guy who is the backbone of this organization, the guy or gal who just loves plants, and that is not what is being honored with its publications. Now, I know some of you enjoy the scientific stuff and that is great, but many of us just want down to earth dirty plant stuff so it is my hope that the Newletter will become some new form of meeting that desire to communicate the growing stuff, the little guy > fun stuff. Let's put the fun in the Newsletter and the scientific stuff in the Aroideana and then all the needs get met. Just don't forget the desires of the guy who pays the bills in general. Some Aroid L stuff could be incorporated into the Newletter to get material for print. If its good, it is worth seeing again. And let's get some FUN into the Newsletter! > > There are many who do the day to day drudgery work of this organization and I would like to see them get credit for what they do and then remember the ones who just have the steady hand in growing and getting this stuff out there. Dewey is the one who comes to mind and we could make it where when things are available, they could be mentioned so all could have a chance. Not all have computers and they are at a distinct disadvantage because they do not get > Aroid L. It might be that those that do have computers could get their Newsletter that way and the others get it via snail mail. That could cut down on the printing and mailing costs. > > I don't know how others might like things, but I think now that we are going to have a new person doing the Newsletter, now is the time to put our ideas on the table. Neal's first Newsletter was fantastic with all of the pictures. I know it is one heck of a lot of work but whoever does it, I would rather see it regularly with a bit less than to see it so rarely. We need to get back as an organization that fulfills what it says it does. If it is four times > a year, then it should be four times a year. If it is two pages, once a month, then it should come out once a month. We need to get our act together. > > Now, others please chip in and give your two cents worth of ideas so that we can get things moving. > > Thanks, > Betsy > > StellrJ@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated Fri, 11 May 2001 11:38:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Peter Boyce" writes: > > > > << I am getting very > > concerned that Aroidaean is becoming completely science-based > > and that it will turn folks off.>> > > > > Well, if it makes you feel better, the science is what keeps me subscribed. Were it not for the science articles, I would more likely switch to Biotropica or one of the other, bigger journals. But, since IAS is for ALL aroid enthusiasts, I agree that horticultural writing belongs here, too. So all you expert (or at least comptent) growers (that lets me out!) write up your stuff! (That reminds me -- I've got to work more on that S. kotoensis piece.) > > > > Jason Hernandez > > Naturalist-at-Large >

From: Durightmm at aol.com on 2001.05.15 at 03:32:05(6452) It seems that both Pete's andf Betsy's comments have merit. But as I see it, as always, it takes material and since it doesn't grow it must be written. Members need to share their experiences and thoughts for both publications. Perhaps our new editor for the Newsletter would share his thoughts with us about future issues and time lines. It can be a challenge for all members to participate. I certainly agree with Betsy.s comments about valuable aroid-l material appearing in either or both for that matter. Now all we have to do is organize. Who volunteers ?

From: "Peter Boyce" boyce at pothos.demon.co.uk> on 2001.05.15 at 15:17:47(6458) Betsy Your email rather gives the impression that you think Aroideana is simply a vox pop. for the few 'scientists' who happen to belong to the IAS and that the Newsletter is the for the real hard-core aroid folks who 'love their plants' but whose writings and views are only worth putting into an ephemeral publication. I think that does these folks a grave injustice. The fact of the matter is that if all Aroideana is viewed as is a scientific journal that, like so many others, is flicked through once and then consigned to a shelf then there is something seriously wrong with the Journal. Check out 'Palms' (aka Principes), no less scientific and erudite than Aroideana but with a good selection of 'amateur'; stuff, and ask yourself if that's not where Aroideana should be aiming. Pete

From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" hetter at worldonline.nl> on 2001.05.16 at 15:02:55(6465) Hear, hear..... I second Peter's point of view here. We need to be realistic about a few things. We have a society of which an overwhelming number of members are plant lovers and a very small minority is scientifically involved in aroids. And of the latter group even a smaller group on a day-to-day basis. Do not believe for a minute that this small group can maintain a scientific journal forever. In comparison, with such a high number of potential contributors to the "less scientific" newsletter, the newsletter cannot be called a succes in terms of numbers of pages. No people, the problem is that a great majority of the IAS members just won't write for such a Newsletter either. Having said that, looking at what is discussed on aroid-l and arisaema-l, there IS plenty of stuff to fill hundreds of pages on cultivation stuff, expeditions and whatnot. I say we use Aroideana BOTH for scientific stuff and substantial other material and keep the newsletter for short communications, announcements and related topics. Aroideana is a great public-relation medium for the IAS too, which is something a newsletter never is intended to be. Aroideana should be bought by libraries, a newsletter never will be because newsletters have a different goal. I strongly suggest that the IAS maintains its strategy to invest well in Aroideana and that all members of IAS think carefully about what they want in Aroideana beside science. And I mean things of substance, no small talk. Maybe an on-line enquiry can be organised by the board of IAS about Aroideana and have us members speak up! Wilbert +More ----- Original Message ----- To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L Sent: dinsdag 15 mei 2001 17:17 Subject: Re: Neil Carroll's last IAS Newsletter > Betsy > > Your email rather gives the impression that you think Aroideana is simply a > vox pop. for the few 'scientists' who happen to belong to the IAS and that > the Newsletter is the for the real hard-core aroid folks who 'love their > plants' but whose writings and views are only worth putting into an > ephemeral publication. I think that does these folks a grave injustice. > > The fact of the matter is that if all Aroideana is viewed as is a scientific > journal that, like so many others, is flicked through once and then > consigned to a shelf then there is something seriously wrong with the > Journal. Check out 'Palms' (aka Principes), no less scientific and erudite > than Aroideana but with a good selection of 'amateur'; stuff, and ask > yourself if that's not where Aroideana should be aiming. > > Pete > >

From: "George R Stilwell, Jr." grsjr at juno.com> on 2001.05.16 at 15:08:18(6467) Peter, I couldn't agree with you more. The American Rhododendron Societies Journal is a case in point. It's biased a bit more on the amateur side and there's too much "club news" for me, but the mix is important. If I want totally dry reading I'll pick up the Journal of the Optical Society of America. It'll even put opticians to sleep. It is instructive to note the ARS doesn't have a "Newsletter". The Journal is the vehicle for everyone and everything. There are local chapter flyers promoting the next meeting, etc., but no national newsletter. This is also true for the Holly Society of America and the Magnolia Society. All of these have fine journals with something for everyone in them. One is compelled to do more than glance at the pictures and usually learns a few things with each issue. Perhaps there's a lesson to be learned here. Both HSA and MS had "newsletters" before their journals were issued on a regular schedule and in a sophisticated format. Ray Stilwell +More GRSJr@Juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

From: "D.J. Leedy" djleedy at netex.quik.com> on 2001.05.17 at 04:42:08(6480) Although Aroidl is wonderful, I think there is still need for a newsletter. Not everyone is comfortable with a computer or wants to spend a lot of time looking at the CRT. There are some basics that could be covered in a newsletter much better than in Aroidl. However, once covered in the newsletter, these could become the subjects of comments and contrary ideas expressed on Aroidl. While some of these may be appropriate for Aroideana, usual horticultural pieces in this journal are based upon someone's experience trying to do something and not instructive "how tos," as might be found in the newsletter. The newsletter is often the only contact with fellow aroid enthusiasts and, if not on Aroidl or within driving distance of the monthly meeting in Miami, a place to get ideas and compare notes. I edited the newsletter for a while in the late 1970's or early 1980's. I tried to include one or more major topics, any correspondence, anything noteworthy happening in the Aroid World (i.e. the anthurium hybridization programs in Hawaii or the A. titanium meristem experiments at the Palmgarten in Frankfurt), if these were not to be covered in Aroideana, a list of publications and how to get them, and a schedule of major horticultural and botany events around the world. . I actually plagiarized many articles from other publications as well as from the newsletter of the Australian Aroid Society written by David Burnett and, after 20 some odd years of newsletters, it would probably be OK to go back and rewrite articles that have appeared before. +More Below, I have listed some major topics, that might be more appropriate for a newsletter than for either Aroidl or Aroideana: 1. Types of fungus, which cause rot in aroids and remedies. 2. Fertilizers and plant foods for aroids. 3. How to get rid of insects and other monsters in aroids. 4. Temperature and humidity requirements for aroids. How to create these artificially. 5. Building a "dream" greenhouse for aroids. 6. Types of potting mixtures used for aroids. 7. Cross pollination and hybridization aroids. 8. Vegetative propagation of aroids. 9. Lighting requirements for aroids. 10. Harvesting and planting aroid seed. 11. What makes an aroid species a species instead of a natural variation or a natural hybrid? 12. Use of Latin names for aroids? Does anyone remember my poem of "How I Hate the Ates?" (ovate, lanceolate, hastate, undulate, peltate etc.) 13. What makes an aroid genus a genus and why is an inter-generic aroid hybrid impossible, or is it (in layman's terms)? 14. Separate articles on each of the aroid genera done in layman's terms (as much as possible) listing the keys and the known species. 15. The aroid floral structure and the functions of the various parts. To this day I remember Craig Phillip's explanation of the holes in the leaf of a monstera - "to beat the insects to it." 16. Differences in symbiotic, epiphytic, and parasitic relationships and where do aroids fit in this scheme? 17. Plant containers, totems, baskets, etc. and their relative merit for growing aroids. 18. How to ship aroid cuttings, seeds, and bulbs. What are the governmental requirements? 19. Review of aroid displays in public arboretums, tropical gardens, and glass houses. 20. Review of aroid displays in private collections. 21. Descriptions of trips to collect aroids in their natural habitat, if not covered in Aroideana. In their unnatural habitats (i.e. the Asian markets in London) if legal. 22. Description of Retail and Mail Order places where aroids can be obtained (feature a different place each issue). ----- Original Message ----- To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Neil Carroll's last IAS Newsletter > Betsy > > Your email rather gives the impression that you think Aroideana is simply a > vox pop. for the few 'scientists' who happen to belong to the IAS and that > the Newsletter is the for the real hard-core aroid folks who 'love their > plants' but whose writings and views are only worth putting into an > ephemeral publication. I think that does these folks a grave injustice. > > The fact of the matter is that if all Aroideana is viewed as is a scientific > journal that, like so many others, is flicked through once and then > consigned to a shelf then there is something seriously wrong with the > Journal. Check out 'Palms' (aka Principes), no less scientific and erudite > than Aroideana but with a good selection of 'amateur'; stuff, and ask > yourself if that's not where Aroideana should be aiming. > > Pete > >

From: "Dany Hervelle" bs246466 at skynet.be> on 2001.05.17 at 04:46:37(6482) Hello to all I am very in accord with you wilbert.!!'simply' plants lover' are most of the time not take in correct serious and that's why i really thanks some plant man like Joseph Bogner,Alistair Hay or Tom Croat from who i always had receiving a reply of ,or a letter,or an email!Someone who have a large collection of a genera,for instance,have a very great knowledge of this genera with the years.Sure that help from a scientific is ofen necessary,but sure also that a simply collector may also give help to scientific.The 2 are i think complementary. +More I remember long years agoo when i first was interesting about aroid,specialy the genus alocasia.I have writing hundreds of letters to have rarely only a reply.Now that i have an extensive collection of that genus(near than 100 species and cvs),sometime only i feel to be taking in serious!Sure that have a large collection is not an absolue referance,but sure also that be a collector today is so far differant that be a collector only 50 years agoo!Now you love your plants,but you also try to know them,try to make them know by others,try to make the best way to grow them,try to know from where they come,to know how they are use in the origin country,etc...,so is it not in some way a kind of study,research, in our level?Now,i have regular exchange with few botanical garden(with most of bt,it is always no reply),and never my knowledge of 'my' genera was negative,offen the inverse.All that to say that if most of us are not 'Dr',we offen know correctly our plants!So collector and Dr,same fight in some..! One thing also,about the rain forest...,yes i want to go to the rainforest to see,get and pick plant!But if i 'll take plants there,sure that it will be not me who will made the rainforest in danger.Just a question:how manys aroiders are on the list?If you think that all of them will go one time in the rainforest to pic plants there,sure that it will not be a lot of people!I really don't think that the people who collect plants may cause really dommage in the forest, if this is not made in a commercial way (a lot).Most of the plants that are lost are with the destruction of the natural habitat.And if one day this habitat may be restaured,sure that the plants that i had take there will be again avalable,and in plus multiplicate,because the 'plant lover' Love the plants,and made all the best care,more that mother nature may do...And i love mother nature! Good growin' to all P.S.Excuse me all please for my bad english! dany Hervelle

From: Floral Artistry jjingram at pacbell.net> on 2001.05.17 at 15:44:11(6494) I am new to the list and probably have no place giving my opinion here but I will anyways. I enjoy the scientific articles as well as the "down-to-earth" cultivation ones. The scientific ones go mostly over my head (although they shouldn't) but I do think they are a good reference for non-scientists as well. Because they do give us an accurate size and description of the plants we are sure to want in a few years. The cultivation articles are the most useful to the majority. These are the meat and potatoes to the people like me. I really enjoy knowing how others grow things, where they grow things, how long they've had them, blah, blah, blah, blah.......... It gives me something to base my failures (the majority of my plants) and my success (only a few right now). As a member of the IBS (Bulbs Society, which I see that I know quite a few of you are also members), they have a newsletter and a technical magazine. I enjoy both equally and enjoy each for what it is and what it represents to the society. John Ingram +More jjingram@pacbell.net Phone/fax 323-650-9360 www.floralartistry.org (not quite ready but soon)

From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2001.05.18 at 14:39:12(6510) Dany this is a delightfully caring letter! I will write to you privately about Marantaceae to England, Aroids from Asia and observing in Jungles, I hope next week. Ron +More ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list AROID-L" Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:47 AM Subject: Re: Neil Carroll's last IAS Newsletter | Hello to all | | I am very in accord with you wilbert.!!'simply' plants lover' are most of | the time not take | in correct serious and that's why i really thanks some plant man like | Joseph Bogner,Alistair Hay or | Tom Croat from who i always had receiving a reply of ,or a letter,or an | email!Someone who have a large collection of a genera,for instance,have a | very great knowledge of this genera with the years.Sure that help from a | scientific is ofen necessary,but sure also | that a simply collector may also give help to scientific.The 2 are i think | complementary. | I remember long years agoo when i first was interesting about aroid,specialy | the genus | alocasia.I have writing hundreds of letters to have rarely only a reply.Now | that i have an extensive collection of that genus(near than 100 species and | cvs),sometime only i feel to be taking in serious!Sure that have a large | collection is not an absolue referance,but | sure also that be a collector today is so far differant that be a collector | only 50 years agoo!Now you love your plants,but you also try to know | them,try to make them know by others,try to make the best way to grow | them,try to know from where they come,to know how they are use in the | origin country,etc...,so is it not in some way a kind of study,research, | in our level?Now,i have regular exchange with few botanical garden(with most | of bt,it is always no reply),and never my | knowledge of 'my' genera was negative,offen the inverse.All that to say that | if most of us are not 'Dr',we offen know correctly our plants!So collector | and Dr,same fight in some..! | One thing also,about the rain forest...,yes i want to go to the rainforest | to see,get and pick plant!But if i 'll take plants there,sure that it will | be not me who will made the rainforest in danger.Just a question:how manys | aroiders are on the list?If you think that all of them will go one time in | the rainforest to pic plants there,sure that it will not be a lot of | people!I really don't think that the people who collect plants may cause | really dommage in the forest, if this is not made in a commercial way (a | lot).Most of the plants that are lost are with the destruction of the | natural habitat.And if one day this habitat may be restaured,sure that the | plants that i had take there will be again avalable,and | in plus multiplicate,because the 'plant lover' Love the plants,and made all | the best care,more that mother nature may do...And i love mother nature! | Good growin' to all | P.S.Excuse me all please for my bad english! | dany Hervelle | | | |

From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2001.05.18 at 14:39:37(6511) Dear Mr. Leedy, Thank you for the extended help. I have only five nesletters from 1997. It would be good to have a panoramic view. Since incoming material so far is like hens teeth, re-printing might help rejuvenate things! It is fortunate that they AREN'T on the wen in that case but WHERE do I get copies of 20-30 year old NEWSpapers? PLEASE. I will use your ideas thanks as part of my proposed survey soon. Best Wishes Ron +More ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list AROID-L" Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:42 AM Subject: Re: Neil Carroll's last IAS Newsletter | Although Aroidl is wonderful, I think there is still need for a newsletter. | Not everyone is comfortable with a computer or wants to spend a lot of time | looking at the CRT. There are some basics that could be covered in a | newsletter much better than in Aroidl. However, once covered in the | newsletter, these could become the subjects of comments and contrary ideas | expressed on Aroidl. While some of these may be appropriate for Aroideana, | usual horticultural pieces in this journal are based upon someone's | experience trying to do something and not instructive "how tos," as might be | found in the newsletter. The newsletter is often the only contact with | fellow aroid enthusiasts and, if not on Aroidl or within driving distance of | the monthly meeting in Miami, a place to get ideas and compare notes. | | I edited the newsletter for a while in the late 1970's or early 1980's. I | tried to include one or more major topics, any correspondence, anything | noteworthy happening in the Aroid World (i.e. the anthurium hybridization | programs in Hawaii or the A. titanium meristem experiments at the Palmgarten | in Frankfurt), if these were not to be covered in Aroideana, a list of | publications and how to get them, and a schedule of major horticultural and | botany events around the world. . I actually plagiarized many articles from | other publications as well as from the newsletter of the Australian Aroid | Society written by David Burnett and, after 20 some odd years of | newsletters, it would probably be OK to go back and rewrite articles that | have appeared before. | | Below, I have listed some major topics, that might be more appropriate for a | newsletter than for either Aroidl or Aroideana: | | 1. Types of fungus, which cause rot in aroids and remedies. | 2. Fertilizers and plant foods for aroids. | 3. How to get rid of insects and other monsters in aroids. | 4. Temperature and humidity requirements for aroids. How to create these | artificially. | 5. Building a "dream" greenhouse for aroids. | 6. Types of potting mixtures used for aroids. | 7. Cross pollination and hybridization aroids. | 8. Vegetative propagation of aroids. | 9. Lighting requirements for aroids. | 10. Harvesting and planting aroid seed. | 11. What makes an aroid species a species instead of a natural variation or | a natural hybrid? | 12. Use of Latin names for aroids? Does anyone remember my poem of "How I | Hate the Ates?" (ovate, lanceolate, hastate, undulate, peltate etc.) | 13. What makes an aroid genus a genus and why is an inter-generic aroid | hybrid impossible, or is it (in layman's terms)? | 14. Separate articles on each of the aroid genera done in layman's terms (as | much as possible) listing the keys and the known species. | 15. The aroid floral structure and the functions of the various parts. To | this day I remember Craig Phillip's explanation of the holes in the leaf of | a monstera - "to beat the insects to it." | 16. Differences in symbiotic, epiphytic, and parasitic relationships and | where do aroids fit in this scheme? | 17. Plant containers, totems, baskets, etc. and their relative merit for | growing aroids. | 18. How to ship aroid cuttings, seeds, and bulbs. What are the governmental | requirements? | 19. Review of aroid displays in public arboretums, tropical gardens, and | glass houses. | 20. Review of aroid displays in private collections. | 21. Descriptions of trips to collect aroids in their natural habitat, if not | covered in Aroideana. In their unnatural habitats (i.e. the Asian markets | in London) if legal. | 22. Description of Retail and Mail Order places where aroids can be obtained | (feature a different place each issue). | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: Peter Boyce | To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L | Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:17 AM | Subject: Re: Neil Carroll's last IAS Newsletter | | | > Betsy | > | > Your email rather gives the impression that you think Aroideana is simply | a | > vox pop. for the few 'scientists' who happen to belong to the IAS and that | > the Newsletter is the for the real hard-core aroid folks who 'love their | > plants' but whose writings and views are only worth putting into an | > ephemeral publication. I think that does these folks a grave injustice. | > | > The fact of the matter is that if all Aroideana is viewed as is a | scientific | > journal that, like so many others, is flicked through once and then | > consigned to a shelf then there is something seriously wrong with the | > Journal. Check out 'Palms' (aka Principes), no less scientific and erudite | > than Aroideana but with a good selection of 'amateur'; stuff, and ask | > yourself if that's not where Aroideana should be aiming. | > | > Pete | > | > | |

From: Betsy Feuerstein ecuador at midsouth.rr.com> on 2001.05.20 at 03:52:49(6526) This is rather late to answer but some of us did not get to it until this point. I have heard reference to this message, but I am glad I went back and read it. Aroideana/scientific, Newsletter/little guy informative growing/timely. That is the way it originally was. How it becomes is certainly open to judgment of those who do it for the benefit of the group. I am glad to see a softening of that rigid concept with Aroideana. It should be interesting! Betsy +More Peter Boyce wrote: > Betsy > > Your email rather gives the impression that you think Aroideana is simply a > vox pop. for the few 'scientists' who happen to belong to the IAS and that > the Newsletter is the for the real hard-core aroid folks who 'love their > plants' but whose writings and views are only worth putting into an > ephemeral publication. I think that does these folks a grave injustice. > > The fact of the matter is that if all Aroideana is viewed as is a scientific > journal that, like so many others, is flicked through once and then > consigned to a shelf then there is something seriously wrong with the > Journal. Check out 'Palms' (aka Principes), no less scientific and erudite > than Aroideana but with a good selection of 'amateur'; stuff, and ask > yourself if that's not where Aroideana should be aiming. > > Pete

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