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From: "Peter Boyce" p.boyce at rbgkew.org.uk> on 2001.05.11 at 08:38:18(6422)
Scott, Ron

The least I can do is give you a list of what will be in the next
Aroideana (just gone to press, due out in July). If you'd like
something more (maybe the abstracts of the various papers as
well?) just say.

One thing I would like to include is a plea (yes again!) for folks to
contribute non-scientific articles to Aroideana. I am getting very
concerned that Aroidaean is becoming completely science-based
and that it will turn folks off. The main problem is, as I've repeated
all too often, I can only publish what I'm sent to publish!

Cheers

Pete

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From: StellrJ at aol.com on 2001.05.13 at 17:13:18(6434)
In a message dated Fri, 11 May 2001 11:38:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Peter Boyce" writes:

<< I am getting very
concerned that Aroidaean is becoming completely science-based

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From: "Peter Boyce" p.boyce at rbgkew.org.uk> on 2001.05.14 at 07:55:04(6438)
Jason

Many thanks for your email - lovely to here that we're putting into
Aroideana that which people want to read!

Pete

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From: Betsy Feuerstein ecuador at midsouth.rr.com> on 2001.05.14 at 13:11:04(6444)
It was my impression that Aroideana was to be scientific and the Newletter to be the flip side of the coin. I would like to see some growing in Aroideana, but to clutter it with amateur 'stuff' might take away from its professional approach. In fact, years ago, it was held to that strict standard. What has changed in the big world to alter this? I will be the first to say, that I read very little of the scientific stuff, but it does have its place. I like
the folksy, friendly, plant growing, collecting, human aspects that come through in the Newsletters of the past. When the Newsletter becomes just a more timely addenda to Aroideana, then I think we have left out the backbone of this organization, the little guy who just loves his Aroids. We need to have a place for growing questions and answers, observations of plant people, just talk of plants and the fun of the comraderie of such communication. The
Newsletter needs to be an extension of Aroid L banter. David Leedy ever so many years ago, did such a great job of putting the human side of plants onto paper. Now, I know this was before Email, but I looked forward to getting the Newsletter and to reading it. I look at the photos in Aroideana and if something catches my eye, I read further. I want to read the Newsletter, not a two minute Oh, and done.

I guess what I am saying is it is the grower, little guy who is the backbone of this organization, the guy or gal who just loves plants, and that is not what is being honored with its publications. Now, I know some of you enjoy the scientific stuff and that is great, but many of us just want down to earth dirty plant stuff so it is my hope that the Newletter will become some new form of meeting that desire to communicate the growing stuff, the little guy
fun stuff. Let's put the fun in the Newsletter and the scientific stuff in the Aroideana and then all the needs get met. Just don't forget the desires of the guy who pays the bills in general. Some Aroid L stuff could be incorporated into the Newletter to get material for print. If its good, it is worth seeing again. And let's get some FUN into the Newsletter!

There are many who do the day to day drudgery work of this organization and I would like to see them get credit for what they do and then remember the ones who just have the steady hand in growing and getting this stuff out there. Dewey is the one who comes to mind and we could make it where when things are available, they could be mentioned so all could have a chance. Not all have computers and they are at a distinct disadvantage because they do not get
Aroid L. It might be that those that do have computers could get their Newsletter that way and the others get it via snail mail. That could cut down on the printing and mailing costs.

I don't know how others might like things, but I think now that we are going to have a new person doing the Newsletter, now is the time to put our ideas on the table. Neal's first Newsletter was fantastic with all of the pictures. I know it is one heck of a lot of work but whoever does it, I would rather see it regularly with a bit less than to see it so rarely. We need to get back as an organization that fulfills what it says it does. If it is four times
a year, then it should be four times a year. If it is two pages, once a month, then it should come out once a month. We need to get our act together.

Now, others please chip in and give your two cents worth of ideas so that we can get things moving.

Thanks,
Betsy

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From: "Jeff&jodi Rosenstiel" jjjj at winternet.com> on 2001.05.14 at 16:51:43(6448)
Hi, was wondering , when does the news letter come out? I know I haven't
received one sense last year some time, was just wondering if anyone could
help me out, I know I paid my dues on time?
thanks
jeff

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From: Durightmm at aol.com on 2001.05.14 at 20:32:05(6452)
It seems that both Pete's andf Betsy's comments have merit. But as I see it,
as always, it takes material and since it doesn't grow it must be written.
Members need to share their experiences and thoughts for both publications.
Perhaps our new editor for the Newsletter would share his thoughts with us
about future issues and time lines. It can be a challenge for all members to
participate. I certainly agree with Betsy.s comments about valuable aroid-l
material appearing in either or both for that matter. Now all we have to do
is organize. Who volunteers ?

From: "Peter Boyce" boyce at pothos.demon.co.uk> on 2001.05.15 at 08:17:47(6458)
Betsy

Your email rather gives the impression that you think Aroideana is simply a
vox pop. for the few 'scientists' who happen to belong to the IAS and that
the Newsletter is the for the real hard-core aroid folks who 'love their
plants' but whose writings and views are only worth putting into an
ephemeral publication. I think that does these folks a grave injustice.

The fact of the matter is that if all Aroideana is viewed as is a scientific
journal that, like so many others, is flicked through once and then
consigned to a shelf then there is something seriously wrong with the
Journal. Check out 'Palms' (aka Principes), no less scientific and erudite
than Aroideana but with a good selection of 'amateur'; stuff, and ask
yourself if that's not where Aroideana should be aiming.

Pete

From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" hetter at worldonline.nl> on 2001.05.16 at 08:02:55(6465)
Hear, hear..... I second Peter's point of view here. We need to be realistic
about a few things. We have a society of which an overwhelming number of
members are plant lovers and a very small minority is scientifically
involved in aroids. And of the latter group even a smaller group on a
day-to-day basis. Do not believe for a minute that this small group can
maintain a scientific journal forever. In comparison, with such a high
number of potential contributors to the "less scientific" newsletter, the
newsletter cannot be called a succes in terms of numbers of pages. No
people, the problem is that a great majority of the IAS members just won't
write for such a Newsletter either.

Having said that, looking at what is discussed on aroid-l and arisaema-l,
there IS plenty of stuff to fill hundreds of pages on cultivation stuff,
expeditions and whatnot.

I say we use Aroideana BOTH for scientific stuff and substantial other
material and keep the newsletter for short communications, announcements and
related topics. Aroideana is a great public-relation medium for the IAS too,
which is something a newsletter never is intended to be. Aroideana should be
bought by libraries, a newsletter never will be because newsletters have a
different goal.

I strongly suggest that the IAS maintains its strategy to invest well in
Aroideana and that all members of IAS think carefully about what they want
in Aroideana beside science. And I mean things of substance, no small talk.
Maybe an on-line enquiry can be organised by the board of IAS about
Aroideana and have us members speak up!

Wilbert

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From: "George R Stilwell, Jr." grsjr at juno.com> on 2001.05.16 at 08:08:18(6467)
Peter,

I couldn't agree with you more. The American Rhododendron Societies
Journal is a case in
point. It's biased a bit more on the amateur side and there's too much
"club news" for me, but the mix
is important. If I want totally dry reading I'll pick up the Journal of
the Optical Society of America.
It'll even put opticians to sleep.

It is instructive to note the ARS doesn't have a "Newsletter". The
Journal is the vehicle for
everyone and everything. There are local chapter flyers promoting the
next meeting, etc., but
no national newsletter. This is also true for the Holly Society of
America and the Magnolia Society.
All of these have fine journals with something for everyone in them. One
is compelled to
do more than glance at the pictures and usually learns a few things with
each issue.

Perhaps there's a lesson to be learned here. Both HSA and MS had
"newsletters" before their
journals were issued on a regular schedule and in a sophisticated format.

Ray Stilwell

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From: "D.J. Leedy" djleedy at netex.quik.com> on 2001.05.16 at 21:42:08(6480)
Although Aroidl is wonderful, I think there is still need for a newsletter.
Not everyone is comfortable with a computer or wants to spend a lot of time
looking at the CRT. There are some basics that could be covered in a
newsletter much better than in Aroidl. However, once covered in the
newsletter, these could become the subjects of comments and contrary ideas
expressed on Aroidl. While some of these may be appropriate for Aroideana,
usual horticultural pieces in this journal are based upon someone's
experience trying to do something and not instructive "how tos," as might be
found in the newsletter. The newsletter is often the only contact with
fellow aroid enthusiasts and, if not on Aroidl or within driving distance of
the monthly meeting in Miami, a place to get ideas and compare notes.

I edited the newsletter for a while in the late 1970's or early 1980's. I
tried to include one or more major topics, any correspondence, anything
noteworthy happening in the Aroid World (i.e. the anthurium hybridization
programs in Hawaii or the A. titanium meristem experiments at the Palmgarten
in Frankfurt), if these were not to be covered in Aroideana, a list of
publications and how to get them, and a schedule of major horticultural and
botany events around the world. . I actually plagiarized many articles from
other publications as well as from the newsletter of the Australian Aroid
Society written by David Burnett and, after 20 some odd years of
newsletters, it would probably be OK to go back and rewrite articles that
have appeared before.

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From: "Dany Hervelle" bs246466 at skynet.be> on 2001.05.16 at 21:46:37(6482)
Hello to all

I am very in accord with you wilbert.!!'simply' plants lover' are most of
the time not take
in correct serious and that's why i really thanks some plant man like
Joseph Bogner,Alistair Hay or
Tom Croat from who i always had receiving a reply of ,or a letter,or an
email!Someone who have a large collection of a genera,for instance,have a
very great knowledge of this genera with the years.Sure that help from a
scientific is ofen necessary,but sure also
that a simply collector may also give help to scientific.The 2 are i think
complementary.

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From: Floral Artistry jjingram at pacbell.net> on 2001.05.17 at 08:44:11(6494)
I am new to the list and probably have no place giving my opinion here but I
will anyways.

I enjoy the scientific articles as well as the "down-to-earth" cultivation
ones. The scientific ones go mostly over my head (although they shouldn't)
but I do think they are a good reference for non-scientists as well. Because
they do give us an accurate size and description of the plants we are sure
to want in a few years.

The cultivation articles are the most useful to the majority. These are the
meat and potatoes to the people like me. I really enjoy knowing how others
grow things, where they grow things, how long they've had them, blah, blah,
blah, blah..........
It gives me something to base my failures (the majority of my plants) and my
success (only a few right now).

As a member of the IBS (Bulbs Society, which I see that I know quite a few
of you are also members), they have a newsletter and a technical magazine. I
enjoy both equally and enjoy each for what it is and what it represents to
the society.

John Ingram

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From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2001.05.18 at 07:39:12(6510)
Dany this is a delightfully caring letter! I will write to you privately
about Marantaceae to England, Aroids from Asia and observing in Jungles, I
hope next week.

Ron

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From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2001.05.18 at 07:39:37(6511)
Dear Mr. Leedy,

Thank you for the extended help. I have only five nesletters from 1997. It
would be good to have a panoramic view. Since incoming material so far is
like hens teeth, re-printing might help rejuvenate things! It is fortunate
that they AREN'T on the wen in that case but WHERE do I get copies of 20-30
year old NEWSpapers? PLEASE. I will use your ideas thanks as part of my
proposed survey soon.

Best Wishes

Ron

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From: Betsy Feuerstein ecuador at midsouth.rr.com> on 2001.05.19 at 20:52:49(6526)
This is rather late to answer but some of us did not get to it until this point.
I have heard reference to this message, but I am glad I went back and read it.
Aroideana/scientific, Newsletter/little guy informative growing/timely. That is
the way it originally was. How it becomes is certainly open to judgment of those
who do it for the benefit of the group. I am glad to see a softening of that
rigid concept with Aroideana. It should be interesting!

Betsy

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