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Amorph titanum flowering in Sydney, Australia
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From: Paul Tyerman <ptyerman at ozemail.com.au> on 2004.10.07 at 22:55:40(12258)
Howdy All,
I found out on the news last night that Amorphophallus titanum is currently
in flower in the Tropical House at the Botanic Gardens in Sydney,
Australia. I thought I'd inform the group in case there was anyone who was
in Sydney who didn't know about it and wanted to see it.
If I'd known about it being about to open I would have arranged to get up
there to see it, but unfortunately it only appeared on the news last night
already in flower and I couldn't just drop everything to get up there and
see it today. Most frustrating as i definitely would have got up there if
I'd known.
Hopefully all of those on this list in the Sydney region interested in
Amorphs will get a chance to view it as it is only the second time there
has ever been a flowering in Australia I have been told. Last night the
Botanic Gardens remained open until midnight to allow people to view
it. I'd imagine if still open this evening the same will likely apply.
Cheers.
Paul Tyerman
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From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at msn.com> on 2004.10.08 at 00:07:08(12259)
>From: Paul Tyerman
>Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
>To: Discussion of aroids
>Subject: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering in Sydney, Australia
>Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 08:55:40 +1000
>
Dear Paul,
Thanks for sharing this news with us! A happy event indeed. Perhaps Dr. Hay (if he reads thsi) may be so kind as to try to determine from wence this plant came, if by chance from a Jim Symon seed collection? I`m sorry that you missed seeing this amazing bloom. Any details as to how tall the bloom was, etc.??
The Best,
Julius Boos
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WPB, FLORIDA
>Howdy All,
>
>I found out on the news last night that Amorphophallus titanum is
>currently in flower in the Tropical House at the Botanic Gardens in
>Sydney, Australia. I thought I'd inform the group in case there was
>anyone who was in Sydney who didn't know about it and wanted to see
>it.
>
>If I'd known about it being about to open I would have arranged to
>get up there to see it, but unfortunately it only appeared on the
>news last night already in flower and I couldn't just drop
>everything to get up there and see it today. Most frustrating as i
>definitely would have got up there if I'd known.
>
>Hopefully all of those on this list in the Sydney region interested
>in Amorphs will get a chance to view it as it is only the second
>time there has ever been a flowering in Australia I have been told.
>Last night the Botanic Gardens remained open until midnight to allow
>people to view it. I'd imagine if still open this evening the same
>will likely apply.
>
>Cheers.
>
>Paul Tyerman
>Canberra, Australia (a few hours south of Sydney unfortunately)
>
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From: "Alistair Hay" <ajmhay at hotmail.com> on 2004.10.08 at 00:34:36(12261)
Ooops: sorry Paul. In the frenzy of getting the message out via various channels, we (the Sydney Bot Gards) forgot about Aroid-l....... Next time......
The flower is closing now, so was only fully open for about 36 hrs.
The smell was quite clearly of over-ripe Camembert served on a bed of sun-drenched road kill.
Alistair
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>From: Paul Tyerman
>Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
>To: Discussion of aroids
>Subject: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering in Sydney, Australia
>Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 08:55:40 +1000
>
>Howdy All,
>
>I found out on the news last night that Amorphophallus titanum is
>currently in flower in the Tropical House at the Botanic Gardens in
>Sydney, Australia. I thought I'd inform the group in case there was
>anyone who was in Sydney who didn't know about it and wanted to see
>it.
>
>If I'd known about it being about to open I would have arranged to
>get up there to see it, but unfortunately it only appeared on the
>news last night already in flower and I couldn't just drop
>everything to get up there and see it today. Most frustrating as i
>definitely would have got up there if I'd known.
>
>Hopefully all of those on this list in the Sydney region interested
>in Amorphs will get a chance to view it as it is only the second
>time there has ever been a flowering in Australia I have been told.
>Last night the Botanic Gardens remained open until midnight to allow
>people to view it. I'd imagine if still open this evening the same
>will likely apply.
>
>Cheers.
>
>Paul Tyerman
>Canberra, Australia (a few hours south of Sydney unfortunately)
>
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From: "Alistair Hay" <ajmhay at hotmail.com> on 2004.10.08 at 01:52:09(12264)
Hi Julius,
It was a baby at 1.33 metres. And yes its a
sibling of many that have flowered much earlier in the US and Europe.
I attribute the long delay in getting ours to
flower to the psychological trauma caused by the idea of applying NPK in the
necessary quantities - most Australian plants are killed by even 'normal'
quantities of these elements, especially Phosphorus.
Eventually the horticultural staff who look
after our TAs rose to my challenge to kill a subset of our holdings by
overfeeding! The result was pots toppling over as they bulged with swelling
tubers, and one (at 15.5 kg) producing a flower.
Alistair
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----- Original Message -----
From:
Julius Boos
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 10:07
AM
Subject: RE: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum
flowering in Sydney, Australia
>From: Paul Tyerman
>Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
>To: Discussion of aroids
>Subject: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering in Sydney,
Australia
>Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 08:55:40 +1000
>
Dear Paul,
Thanks for sharing this news with us! A happy event
indeed. Perhaps Dr. Hay (if he reads thsi) may be so kind as to
try to determine from wence this plant came, if by chance from a Jim Symon
seed collection? I`m sorry that you missed seeing this
amazing bloom. Any details as to how tall the bloom was,
etc.??
The Best,
Julius Boos
WPB, FLORIDA
>Howdy All,
>
>I found out on the news last night that Amorphophallus titanum
is
>currently in flower in the Tropical House at the Botanic
Gardens in
>Sydney, Australia. I thought I'd inform the group in
case there was
>anyone who was in Sydney who didn't know about it and wanted to
see
>it.
>
>If I'd known about it being about to open I would have arranged
to
>get up there to see it, but unfortunately it only appeared on
the
>news last night already in flower and I couldn't just drop
>everything to get up there and see it today. Most
frustrating as i
>definitely would have got up there if I'd known.
>
>Hopefully all of those on this list in the Sydney region
interested
>in Amorphs will get a chance to view it as it is only the
second
>time there has ever been a flowering in Australia I have been
told.
>Last night the Botanic Gardens remained open until midnight to
allow
>people to view it. I'd imagine if still open this
evening the same
>will likely apply.
>
>Cheers.
>
>Paul Tyerman
>Canberra, Australia (a few hours south of Sydney unfortunately)
>
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From: Paul Tyerman <ptyerman at ozemail.com.au> on 2004.10.08 at 12:15:26(12269)
At 10:34 8/10/04, you wrote:
Ooops: sorry Paul. In the frenzy of getting the message out via various
channels, we (the Sydney Bot Gards) forgot about Aroid-l....... Next time......
The flower is closing now, so was only fully open for about 36 hrs.
Alistair,
Thanks for the response. Definitely frustrating, but given the amount of
media work you'd be doing for this I think perfectly understandable.
Were you able to get pollen from one of the American titans that
flowered recently so that seed could be attempted?
The smell was quite clearly of over-ripe Camembert served on a bed of
sun-drenched road kill.
I just LOVE that description. WAY too easy to picture unfortunately. LOL
Thanks again for the response. I have passed it on to one of the Aussie
bulb groups plus the website information etc.
Cheers.
Paul Tyerman
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Canberra, Australia. USDA equivalent - Zone 8/9
Growing.... Galanthus, Erythroniums, Fritillarias, Trilliums, Cyclamen,
Crocus, Cyrtanthus, Oxalis, Liliums, Hellebores, Aroids, Irises plus just
about anything else that doesn't move!!!!!
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From: Jean -Paul FERRY <jpcferry2 at wanadoo.fr> on 2004.10.08 at 15:39:19(12270)
dear Alistair,
Amorphophallus titanum smell French camenbert . Hum , it' 's very good.
Congratulations !
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Geneviève Ferry , Nancy , FRANCE
> Message du 08/10/04 03:10> De : "Alistair Hay" > A : aroid-l@gizmoworks.com> Copie à : > Objet : RE: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering in Sydney, Australia>
> Ooops: sorry Paul. In the frenzy of getting the message out via various channels, we (the Sydney Bot Gards) forgot about Aroid-l....... Next time......
> The flower is closing now, so was only fully open for about 36 hrs.
> The smell was quite clearly of over-ripe Camembert served on a bed of sun-drenched road kill.
> Alistair
>
> > >
>From: Paul Tyerman
>Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
>To: Discussion of aroids
>Subject: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering in Sydney, Australia
>Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 08:55:40 +1000
>
>Howdy All,
>
>I found out on the news last night that Amorphophallus titanum is
>currently in flower in the Tropical House at the Botanic Gardens in
>Sydney, Australia. I thought I'd inform the group in case there was
>anyone who was in Sydney who didn't know about it and wanted to see
>it.
>
>If I'd known about it being about to open I would have arranged to
>get up there to see it, but unfortunately it only appeared on the
>news last night already in flower and I couldn't just drop
>everything to get up there and see it today. Most frustrating as i
>definitely would have got up there if I'd known.
>
>Hopefully all of those on this list in the Sydney region interested
>in Amorphs will get a chance to view it as it is only the second
>time there has ever been a flowering in Australia I have been told.
>Last night the Botanic Gardens remained open until midnight to allow
>people to view it. I'd imagine if still open this evening the same
>will likely apply.
>
>Cheers.
>
>Paul Tyerman
>Canberra, Australia (a few hours south of Sydney unfortunately)
>
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From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at msn.com> on 2004.10.10 at 12:37:51(12275)
>From: "Alistair Hay"
>Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
>To: "Discussion of aroids"
>Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering in Sydney, Australia
>Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:52:09 +1000
>
Dear Alistair,
Thanks for the information and congrats on getting any size of a bloom! I read where the spadix collapsed a very short time after it opened, I wonder if this is not another sign of something I have been observing in aroids in many species over many years. I have suggested that many Aroids (the genus Arisaema has taken this to the ultimate) will produce a smaller than usual bloom that, though it may have female flowers (in Arisaema the female flowers are NOT produced) , is never intended and in fact can and does not produce fruit/seed, the small bloom only contributes pollen to the genitic 'trail'. This might occur when a plant 'senses' that it is stressed (too many growing seasons without a tuber large enough to sustain the development of fruit/seed) or is growing in a site less-then-optimum to producing a large tuber which is able to sustain the length of time necessary for fruit/seed production.&nbs
p; I was wiondering if some dissections could possibly be done to the remains of the female flowers on this or future small blooms to see if all the necessary parts are there which might indicate if these female flowers could ever develop seed. Just food for thought.
Good Growing!
Julius
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>Hi Julius,
>
>It was a baby at 1.33 metres. And yes its a sibling of many that have flowered much earlier in the US and Europe.
>
>I attribute the long delay in getting ours to flower to the psychological trauma caused by the idea of applying NPK in the necessary quantities - most Australian plants are killed by even 'normal' quantities of these elements, especially Phosphorus.
>
>Eventually the horticultural staff who look after our TAs rose to my challenge to kill a subset of our holdings by overfeeding! The result was pots toppling over as they bulged with swelling tubers, and one (at 15.5 kg) producing a flower.
>
>Alistair
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julius Boos
> To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 10:07 AM
> Subject: RE: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering in Sydney, Australia
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Paul Tyerman
> >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
> >To: Discussion of aroids
> >Subject: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering in Sydney, Australia
> >Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 08:55:40 +1000
> >
> Dear Paul,
>
> Thanks for sharing this news with us! A happy event indeed. Perhaps Dr. Hay (if he reads thsi) may be so kind as to try to determine from wence this plant came, if by chance from a Jim Symon seed collection? I`m sorry that you missed seeing this amazing bloom. Any details as to how tall the bloom was, etc.??
>
> The Best,
>
> Julius Boos
>
> WPB, FLORIDA
>
> >Howdy All,
>
> >
> >I found out on the news last night that Amorphophallus titanum is
> >currently in flower in the Tropical House at the Botanic Gardens in
> >Sydney, Australia. I thought I'd inform the group in case there was
> >anyone who was in Sydney who didn't know about it and wanted to see
> >it.
> >
> >If I'd known about it being about to open I would have arranged to
> >get up there to see it, but unfortunately it only appeared on the
> >news last night already in flower and I couldn't just drop
> >everything to get up there and see it today. Most frustrating as i
> >definitely would have got up there if I'd known.
> >
> >Hopefully all of those on this list in the Sydney region interested
> >in Amorphs will get a chance to view it as it is only the second
> >time there has ever been a flowering in Australia I have been told.
> >Last night the Botanic Gardens remained open until midnight to allow
> >people to view it. I'd imagine if still open this evening the same
> >will likely apply.
> >
> >Cheers.
> >
> >Paul Tyerman
> >Canberra, Australia (a few hours south of Sydney unfortunately)
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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From: "Alistair Hay" <ajmhay at hotmail.com> on 2004.10.11 at 00:38:40(12277)
Hi Julius, I guess Wilbert is the person to know
to what extent smaller than normal Amorphophallus blooms are female-sterile,
though I have certainly seen small paeoniifolius, bulbifer, variabilis and
galbra producing fruits. This titanum had normal-looking pistils, but one of our
illustrators is doing a botanical painting including dissections and I will ask
her to look out for whether or not there are functional-looking
ovules.
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----- Original Message -----
From:
Julius Boos
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:37
PM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum
flowering in Sydney, Australia
>From: "Alistair Hay"
>Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
>To: "Discussion of aroids"
>Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering in Sydney,
Australia
>Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:52:09 +1000
>
Dear Alistair,
Thanks for the information and congrats on getting any size of a
bloom! I read where the spadix collapsed a very short time after
it opened, I wonder if this is not another sign of something I have
been observing in aroids in many species over many
years. I have suggested that many Aroids (the genus Arisaema
has taken this to the ultimate) will produce a smaller than usual bloom that,
though it may have female flowers (in Arisaema the female flowers are NOT
produced) , is never intended and in fact can and does not produce
fruit/seed, the small bloom only contributes pollen to the genitic
'trail'. This might occur when a plant
'senses' that it is stressed (too many growing seasons without a tuber large
enough to sustain the development of fruit/seed) or is growing in a site
less-then-optimum to producing a large tuber which is able to sustain the
length of time necessary for fruit/seed production.&nbs p; I was
wiondering if some dissections could possibly be done to the remains of the
female flowers on this or future small blooms to see if all the necessary
parts are there which might indicate if these female flowers could ever
develop seed. Just food for thought.
Good Growing!
Julius
>Hi Julius,
>
>It was a baby at 1.33 metres. And yes its a sibling of many
that have flowered much earlier in the US and Europe.
>
>I attribute the long delay in getting ours to flower to the
psychological trauma caused by the idea of applying NPK in the necessary
quantities - most Australian plants are killed by even 'normal' quantities of
these elements, especially Phosphorus.
>
>Eventually the horticultural staff who look after our TAs rose
to my challenge to kill a subset of our holdings by overfeeding! The result
was pots toppling over as they bulged with swelling tubers, and one (at 15.5
kg) producing a flower.
>
>Alistair
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julius Boos
> To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 10:07 AM
> Subject: RE: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering in
Sydney, Australia
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Paul Tyerman
> >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
> >To: Discussion of aroids
> >Subject: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering in
Sydney, Australia
> >Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 08:55:40 +1000
> >
> Dear Paul,
>
> Thanks for sharing this news with
us! A happy event indeed. Perhaps Dr. Hay
(if he reads thsi) may be so kind as to try to determine from wence this plant
came, if by chance from a Jim Symon seed
collection? I`m sorry that you missed seeing this
amazing bloom. Any details as to how tall the bloom was, etc.??
>
> The Best,
>
> Julius Boos
>
> WPB, FLORIDA
>
> >Howdy All,
>
> >
> >I found out on the news last night that
Amorphophallus titanum is
> >currently in flower in the Tropical House at
the Botanic Gardens in
> >Sydney, Australia. I thought I'd
inform the group in case there was
> >anyone who was in Sydney who didn't know about
it and wanted to see
> >it.
> >
> >If I'd known about it being about to open I
would have arranged to
> >get up there to see it, but unfortunately it
only appeared on the
> >news last night already in flower and I
couldn't just drop
> >everything to get up there and see it
today. Most frustrating as i
> >definitely would have got up there if I'd
known.
> >
> >Hopefully all of those on this list in the
Sydney region interested
> >in Amorphs will get a chance to view it as it
is only the second
> >time there has ever been a flowering in
Australia I have been told.
> >Last night the Botanic Gardens remained open
until midnight to allow
> >people to view it. I'd imagine if
still open this evening the same
> >will likely apply.
> >
> >Cheers.
> >
> >Paul Tyerman
> >Canberra, Australia (a few hours south of
Sydney unfortunately)
> >
>
>_______________________________________________
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>
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From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at msn.com> on 2004.10.11 at 09:11:39(12278)
>From: "Alistair Hay"
>Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
>To: "Discussion of aroids"
>Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering in Sydney, Australia
>Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:38:40 +1000
>
Hello Alistair,
Whatever you may learn might be interesting, as who knows at what sized bloom a plant may begin to 'allow' fruit/seed to be produced. I just know that this issue keeps 'bugging' me. Another example of this pollen-only 'thing' was a plant (actually a seedling) of Cyrtosperma cuspidispathum that bloomed at a friend`s home when it was only 6" or so tall, bear in mind that this species can easily reach 2 M (12'+) or more, mine bloomed when it was around 1.5 M tall and kept growing!
Thanks again,
Good Growing,
Julius
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>Hi Julius, I guess Wilbert is the person to know to what extent smaller than normal Amorphophallus blooms are female-sterile, though I have certainly seen small paeoniifolius, bulbifer, variabilis and galbra producing fruits. This titanum had normal-looking pistils, but one of our illustrators is doing a botanical painting including dissections and I will ask her to look out for whether or not there are functional-looking ovules.
>A
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julius Boos
> To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering in Sydney, Australia
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Alistair Hay"
> >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
> >To: "Discussion of aroids"
> >Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering in Sydney, Australia
> >Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:52:09 +1000
> >
> Dear Alistair,
>
> Thanks for the information and congrats on getting any size of a bloom! I read where the spadix collapsed a very short time after it opened, I wonder if this is not another sign of something I have been observing in aroids in many species over many years. I have suggested that many Aroids (the genus Arisaema has taken this to the ultimate) will produce a smaller than usual bloom that, though it may have female flowers (in Arisaema the female flowers are NOT produced) , is never intended and in fact can and does not produce fruit/seed, the small bloom only contributes pollen to the genitic 'trail'. This might occur when a plant 'senses' that it is stressed (too many growing seasons without a tuber large enough to sustain the development of fruit/seed) or is growing in a site less-then-optimum to producing a large tuber which is able to sustain the length of time necessary for fruit/seed produ
ction.&nbs p; I was wiondering if some dissections could possibly be done to the remains of the female flowers on this or future small blooms to see if all the necessary parts are there which might indicate if these female flowers could ever develop seed. Just food for thought.
>
> Good Growing!
>
> Julius
>
> >Hi Julius,
>
> >
> >It was a baby at 1.33 metres. And yes its a sibling of many that have flowered much earlier in the US and Europe.
> >
> >I attribute the long delay in getting ours to flower to the psychological trauma caused by the idea of applying NPK in the necessary quantities - most Australian plants are killed by even 'normal' quantities of these elements, especially Phosphorus.
> >
> >Eventually the horticultural staff who look after our TAs rose to my challenge to kill a subset of our holdings by overfeeding! The result was pots toppling over as they bulged with swelling tubers, and one (at 15.5 kg) producing a flower.
> >
> >Alistair
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Julius Boos
> > To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
> > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 10:07 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering in Sydney, Australia
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Paul Tyerman
> > >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
> > >To: Discussion of aroids
> > >Subject: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering in Sydney, Australia
> > >Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 08:55:40 +1000
> > >
> > Dear Paul,
> >
> > Thanks for sharing this news with us! A happy event indeed. Perhaps Dr. Hay (if he reads thsi) may be so kind as to try to determine from wence this plant came, if by chance from a Jim Symon seed collection? I`m sorry that you missed seeing this amazing bloom. Any details as to how tall the bloom was, etc.??
> >
> > The Best,
> >
> > Julius Boos
> >
> > WPB, FLORIDA
> >
> > >Howdy All,
> >
> > >
> > >I found out on the news last night that Amorphophallus titanum is
> > >currently in flower in the Tropical House at the Botanic Gardens in
> > >Sydney, Australia. I thought I'd inform the group in case there was
> > >anyone who was in Sydney who didn't know about it and wanted to see
> > >it.
> > >
> > >If I'd known about it being about to open I would have arranged to
> > >get up there to see it, but unfortunately it only appeared on the
> > >news last night already in flower and I couldn't just drop
> > >everything to get up there and see it today. Most frustrating as i
> > >definitely would have got up there if I'd known.
> > >
> > >Hopefully all of those on this list in the Sydney region interested
> > >in Amorphs will get a chance to view it as it is only the second
> > >time there has ever been a flowering in Australia I have been told.
> > >Last night the Botanic Gardens remained open until midnight to allow
> > >people to view it. I'd imagine if still open this evening the same
> > >will likely apply.
> > >
> > >Cheers.
> > >
> > >Paul Tyerman
> > >Canberra, Australia (a few hours south of Sydney unfortunately)
> > >
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From: Jean -Paul FERRY <jpcferry2 at wanadoo.fr> on 2004.10.11 at 16:49:25(12279)
Dear Alistair,
The communication passes very well to France because your Amorphophallus titanum passed to television and in radio operator .Personnellement I did not see it but my friends who know my interêt for Aracées m ' prevented.
It still the camenbert smells?
In a friendly way
Genevieve Ferry
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> Message du 11/10/04 18:13> De : "Julius Boos" > A : aroid-l@gizmoworks.com> Copie à : > Objet : Re: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering in Sydney, Australia>
> > >
>From: "Alistair Hay"
>Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
>To: "Discussion of aroids"
>Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering in Sydney, Australia
>Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:38:40 +1000
>
> Hello Alistair,
> Whatever you may learn might be interesting, as who knows at what sized bloom a plant may begin to 'allow' fruit/seed to be produced. I just know that this issue keeps 'bugging' me. Another example of this pollen-only 'thing' was a plant (actually a seedling) of Cyrtosperma cuspidispathum that bloomed at a friend`s home when it was only 6" or so tall, bear in mind that this species can easily reach 2 M (12'+) or more, mine bloomed when it was around 1.5 M tall and kept growing!
> Thanks again,
> Good Growing,
> Julius
> >Hi Julius, I guess Wilbert is the person to know to what extent smaller than normal Amorphophallus blooms are female-sterile, though I have certainly seen small paeoniifolius, bulbifer, variabilis and galbra producing fruits. This titanum had normal-looking pistils, but one of our illustrators is doing a botanical painting including dissections and I will ask her to look out for whether or not there are functional-looking ovules.
>A
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julius Boos
> To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering in Sydney, Australia
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Alistair Hay"
> >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
> >To: "Discussion of aroids"
> >Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering in Sydney, Australia
> >Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:52:09 +1000
> >
> Dear Alistair,
>
> Thanks for the information and congrats on getting any size of a bloom! I read where the spadix collapsed a very short time after it opened, I wonder if this is not another sign of something I have been observing in aroids in many species over many years. I have suggested that many Aroids (the genus Arisaema has taken this to the ultimate) will produce a smaller than usual bloom that, though it may have female flowers (in Arisaema the female flowers are NOT produced) , is never intended and in fact can and does not produce fruit/seed, the small bloom only contributes pollen to the genitic 'trail'. This might occur when a plant 'senses' that it is stressed (too many growing seasons without a tuber large enough to sustain the development of fruit/seed) or is growing in a site less-then-optimum to producing a large tuber which is able to sustain the length of time necessary for fruit/seed produ ction.&nbs p; I was wiondering
if some dissections could possibly be done to the remains of the female flowers on this or future small blooms to see if all the necessary parts are there which might indicate if these female flowers could ever develop seed. Just food for thought.
>
> Good Growing!
>
> Julius
>
> >Hi Julius,
>
> >
> >It was a baby at 1.33 metres. And yes its a sibling of many that have flowered much earlier in the US and Europe.
> >
> >I attribute the long delay in getting ours to flower to the psychological trauma caused by the idea of applying NPK in the necessary quantities - most Australian plants are killed by even 'normal' quantities of these elements, especially Phosphorus.
> >
> >Eventually the horticultural staff who look after our TAs rose to my challenge to kill a subset of our holdings by overfeeding! The result was pots toppling over as they bulged with swelling tubers, and one (at 15.5 kg) producing a flower.
> >
> >Alistair
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Julius Boos
> > To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
> > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 10:07 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering in Sydney, Australia
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Paul Tyerman
> > >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
> > >To: Discussion of aroids
> > >Subject: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering in Sydney, Australia
> > >Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 08:55:40 +1000
> > >
> > Dear Paul,
> >
> > Thanks for sharing this news with us! A happy event indeed. Perhaps Dr. Hay (if he reads thsi) may be so kind as to try to determine from wence this plant came, if by chance from a Jim Symon seed collection? I`m sorry that you missed seeing this amazing bloom. Any details as to how tall the bloom was, etc.??
> >
> > The Best,
> >
> > Julius Boos
> >
> > WPB, FLORIDA
> >
> > >Howdy All,
> >
> > >
> > >I found out on the news last night that Amorphophallus titanum is
> > >currently in flower in the Tropical House at the Botanic Gardens in
> > >Sydney, Australia. I thought I'd inform the group in case there was
> > >anyone who was in Sydney who didn't know about it and wanted to see
> > >it.
> > >
> > >If I'd known about it being about to open I would have arranged to
> > >get up there to see it, but unfortunately it only appeared on the
> > >news last night already in flower and I couldn't just drop
> > >everything to get up there and see it today. Most frustrating as i
> > >definitely would have got up there if I'd known.
> > >
> > >Hopefully all of those on this list in the Sydney region interested
> > >in Amorphs will get a chance to view it as it is only the second
> > >time there has ever been a flowering in Australia I have been told.
> > >Last night the Botanic Gardens remained open until midnight to allow
> > >people to view it. I'd imagine if still open this evening the same
> > >will likely apply.
> > >
> > >Cheers.
> > >
> > >Paul Tyerman
> > >Canberra, Australia (a few hours south of Sydney unfortunately)
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Aroid-l mailing list
> > >Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
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From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" <hetter at xs4all.nl> on 2004.10.12 at 15:40:44(12283)
Yup,
reduced inflorescences have lower numbers of female flowers than usual. I once
had a very small paeoniifolius with no female flowers at all. This mechanism
seems to be underlying the paradioecy in Arisaema as well.
Wilbert
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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----Van:
aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com
[mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com]Namens Alistair
HayVerzonden: maandag 11 oktober 2004 2:39Aan:
Discussion of aroidsOnderwerp: Re: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum
flowering in Sydney, Australia
Hi Julius, I guess Wilbert is the person to
know to what extent smaller than normal Amorphophallus blooms are
female-sterile, though I have certainly seen small paeoniifolius, bulbifer,
variabilis and galbra producing fruits. This titanum had normal-looking
pistils, but one of our illustrators is doing a botanical painting including
dissections and I will ask her to look out for whether or not there are
functional-looking ovules.
A
----- Original Message -----
From:
Julius Boos
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:37
PM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum
flowering in Sydney, Australia
>From: "Alistair Hay"
>Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
>To: "Discussion of aroids"
>Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering in Sydney,
Australia
>Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:52:09 +1000
>
Dear Alistair,
Thanks for the information and congrats on getting any size of a
bloom! I read where the spadix collapsed a very short time after
it opened, I wonder if this is not another sign of something I have
been observing in aroids in many species over many
years. I have suggested that many Aroids (the genus
Arisaema has taken this to the ultimate) will produce a smaller than usual
bloom that, though it may have female flowers (in Arisaema the female
flowers are NOT produced) , is never intended and in fact can and does
not produce fruit/seed, the small bloom only contributes pollen to the
genitic 'trail'. This might occur when a
plant 'senses' that it is stressed (too many growing seasons without a tuber
large enough to sustain the development of fruit/seed) or is growing in a
site less-then-optimum to producing a large tuber which is able to sustain
the length of time necessary for fruit/seed production.&nbs p; I
was wiondering if some dissections could possibly be done to the remains of
the female flowers on this or future small blooms to see if all the
necessary parts are there which might indicate if these female flowers could
ever develop seed. Just food for thought.
Good Growing!
Julius
>Hi Julius,
>
>It was a baby at 1.33 metres. And yes its a sibling of many
that have flowered much earlier in the US and Europe.
>
>I attribute the long delay in getting ours to flower to the
psychological trauma caused by the idea of applying NPK in the necessary
quantities - most Australian plants are killed by even 'normal' quantities
of these elements, especially Phosphorus.
>
>Eventually the horticultural staff who look after our TAs
rose to my challenge to kill a subset of our holdings by overfeeding! The
result was pots toppling over as they bulged with swelling tubers, and one
(at 15.5 kg) producing a flower.
>
>Alistair
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julius Boos
> To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 10:07 AM
> Subject: RE: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering
in Sydney, Australia
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Paul Tyerman
> >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
> >To: Discussion of aroids
> >Subject: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering
in Sydney, Australia
> >Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 08:55:40 +1000
> >
> Dear Paul,
>
> Thanks for sharing this news with
us! A happy event indeed. Perhaps Dr. Hay
(if he reads thsi) may be so kind as to try to determine from wence this
plant came, if by chance from a Jim Symon seed
collection? I`m sorry that you missed seeing this
amazing bloom. Any details as to how tall the bloom was, etc.??
>
> The Best,
>
> Julius Boos
>
> WPB, FLORIDA
>
> >Howdy All,
>
> >
> >I found out on the news last night that
Amorphophallus titanum is
> >currently in flower in the Tropical House at
the Botanic Gardens in
> >Sydney, Australia. I thought I'd
inform the group in case there was
> >anyone who was in Sydney who didn't know
about it and wanted to see
> >it.
> >
> >If I'd known about it being about to open I
would have arranged to
> >get up there to see it, but unfortunately it
only appeared on the
> >news last night already in flower and I
couldn't just drop
> >everything to get up there and see it
today. Most frustrating as i
> >definitely would have got up there if I'd
known.
> >
> >Hopefully all of those on this list in the
Sydney region interested
> >in Amorphs will get a chance to view it as
it is only the second
> >time there has ever been a flowering in
Australia I have been told.
> >Last night the Botanic Gardens remained open
until midnight to allow
> >people to view it. I'd imagine if
still open this evening the same
> >will likely apply.
> >
> >Cheers.
> >
> >Paul Tyerman
> >Canberra, Australia (a few hours south of
Sydney unfortunately)
> >
>
>_______________________________________________
> >Aroid-l mailing list
> >Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
>
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>
>
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From: "Alistair Hay" <ajmhay at hotmail.com> on 2004.10.12 at 20:59:12(12284)
Excellent! It made Canadian news as
well.
Both the flower and the mouth-watering perfume
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are now gone...
A
----- Original Message -----
From:
Jean -Paul
FERRY
To: Discussion of aroids
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 2:49
AM
Subject: Re: Re: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum
flowering in Sydney, Australia
Dear Alistair,
The communication passes very well to France because your
Amorphophallus titanum passed to television and in radio operator
.Personnellement I did not see it but my friends who know my interêt for
Aracées m ' prevented.
It still the camenbert smells?
In a friendly way
Genevieve Ferry
>
Message du 11/10/04 18:13> De : "Julius Boos" >
A : aroid-l@gizmoworks.com> Copie à : > Objet : Re: [Aroid-l]
Amorph titanum flowering in Sydney, Australia>
> > >
>From: "Alistair Hay"
>Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
>To: "Discussion of aroids"
>Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering in Sydney,
Australia
>Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:38:40 +1000
>
> Hello Alistair,
> Whatever you may learn might be interesting, as who knows at what
sized bloom a plant may begin to 'allow' fruit/seed to be
produced. I just know that this issue keeps 'bugging'
me. Another example of this pollen-only 'thing' was a
plant (actually a seedling) of Cyrtosperma cuspidispathum that bloomed at a
friend`s home when it was only 6" or so tall, bear in mind that this species
can easily reach 2 M (12'+) or more, mine bloomed when it was around
1.5 M tall and kept growing!
> Thanks again,
> Good Growing,
> Julius
> >Hi Julius, I guess Wilbert is the person to know to what extent
smaller than normal Amorphophallus blooms are female-sterile, though I have
certainly seen small paeoniifolius, bulbifer, variabilis and galbra
producing fruits. This titanum had normal-looking pistils, but one of our
illustrators is doing a botanical painting including dissections and I will
ask her to look out for whether or not there are functional-looking ovules.
>A
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julius Boos
> To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum flowering
in Sydney, Australia
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Alistair Hay"
> >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
> >To: "Discussion of aroids"
> >Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amorph titanum
flowering in Sydney, Australia
> >Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:52:09 +1000
> >
> Dear Alistair,
>
> Thanks for the information and congrats on
getting any size of a bloom! I read where the spadix collapsed a
very short time after it opened, I wonder if this is not another sign of
something I have been observing in aroids in many species over many
years. I have suggested that many Aroids (the genus
Arisaema has taken this to the ultimate) will produce a smaller than usual
bloom that, though it may have female flowers (in Arisaema the female
flowers are NOT produced) , is never intended and in fact can and does not
produce fruit/seed, the small bloom only contributes pollen to the genitic
'trail'. This might occur when a plant 'senses' that
it is stressed (too many growing seasons without a tuber large enough to
sustain the development of fruit/seed) or is growing in a site
less-then-optimum to producing a large tuber which is able to sustain the
length of time necessary for fruit/seed produ ction.&nbs p; I
was wiondering if some dissections could possibly be done to the remains of
the female flowers on this or future small blooms to see if all the
necessary parts are there which might indicate if these female flowers could
ever develop seed. Just food for thought.
>
> Good Growing!
>
> Julius
>
> >Hi Julius,
>
> >
> >It was a baby at 1.33 metres. And yes its a
sibling of many that have flowered much earlier in the US and Europe.
> >
> >I attribute the long delay in getting ours
to flower to the psychological trauma caused by the idea of applying NPK in
the necessary quantities - most Australian plants are killed by even
'normal' quantities of these elements, especially Phosphorus.
> >
> >Eventually the horticultural staff who look
after our TAs rose to my challenge to kill a subset of our holdings by
overfeeding! The result was pots toppling over as they bulged with swelling
tubers, and one (at 15.5 kg) producing a flower.
> >
> >Alistair
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Julius Boos
> > To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
> > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004
10:07 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Aroid-l] Amorph
titanum flowering in Sydney, Australia
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Paul Tyerman
> > >Reply-To: Discussion of
aroids
> > >To: Discussion of aroids
> > >Subject: [Aroid-l] Amorph
titanum flowering in Sydney, Australia
> > >Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004
08:55:40 +1000
> > >
> > Dear Paul,
> >
> > Thanks for sharing this news
with us! A happy event indeed. Perhaps
Dr. Hay (if he reads thsi) may be so kind as to try to determine from wence
this plant came, if by chance from a Jim Symon seed
collection? I`m sorry that you missed seeing this
amazing bloom. Any details as to how tall the bloom was, etc.??
> >
> > The Best,
> >
> > Julius Boos
> >
> > WPB, FLORIDA
> >
> > >Howdy All,
> >
> > >
> > >I found out on the news
last night that Amorphophallus titanum is
> > >currently in flower in the
Tropical House at the Botanic Gardens in
> > >Sydney,
Australia. I thought I'd inform the group in case there was
> > >anyone who was in Sydney
who didn't know about it and wanted to see
> > >it.
> > >
> > >If I'd known about it being
about to open I would have arranged to
> > >get up there to see it, but
unfortunately it only appeared on the
> > >news last night already in
flower and I couldn't just drop
> > >everything to get up there
and see it today. Most frustrating as i
> > >definitely would have got
up there if I'd known.
> > >
> > >Hopefully all of those on
this list in the Sydney region interested
> > >in Amorphs will get a
chance to view it as it is only the second
> > >time there has ever been a
flowering in Australia I have been told.
> > >Last night the Botanic
Gardens remained open until midnight to allow
> > >people to view
it. I'd imagine if still open this evening the same
> > >will likely apply.
> > >
> > >Cheers.
> > >
> > >Paul Tyerman
> > >Canberra, Australia (a few
hours south of Sydney unfortunately)
> > >
> >
>_______________________________________________
> > >Aroid-l mailing list
> > >Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
> >
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> >
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