Philodendron seed from S. Amer.

From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at msn.com> on 2005.02.01 at 09:12:26(12627) Dear All, I`d just like to enquire as to what sucess was had the folks who ordered seed of the different Philodendron seed from S. America some time ago, especially if the resulting plants turned out to be or even look like the species they were advertised to be???? The reason I ask is that one friend so very kindly sent three seedlings of what were sold to her as being P. saxicolum, these have now grown large enough to see that they are something else BESIDES P. saxicolum, probably what we would call P. 'selloum' or one of its close relations. For legal concerns I am not using the name of the Company from which they were ordered, but I`d like to hear comments on your seedlings. Recently I had spoken w/ a member who ordered seed from this same Company MANY years ago, he told me his yard had beautiful specimens of what appeared to be a BUNCH of P. 'selloum', no other species of Philo. could be discovered amongst the plants grown from many 'advertised' species. Drop a line to the L. Good Growing, Julius +More _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Neil Crafter golfstra at senet.com.au> on 2005.02.02 at 08:35:16(12629) Dear Julius I was involved in that order from South America a few years back - in fact I have to own up to being one of the instigators. The only success I had in the end were with some seedlings of supposed P.eichleri, as the other seeds did not germinate. The only surviving plant of P.eichleri that I have does not appear to be P.selloum / bipinnatifidum as the leaves are generally only pinnate and not bipinnate, and the stem has very long intra-vaginal squamules. So I would say that my plant is not P.selloum, but whether it is P.eichleri with any certainty is another thing. Looks similar though to Graf's photo of P.eichleri in 'Tropica'. Can't say I'm all that surprised about what you have relayed - just disappointed that's all. Certainly won't be ordering any more seed from these people. probably just as well the other varieties didn't germinate - don't need any more P.selloum!!! Would like to hear from any others who participated some years ago. best regards Neil +More Neil Crafter Adelaide, Australia On 01/02/2005, at 7:42 PM, Julius Boos wrote: Dear All, I`d just like to enquire as to what sucess was had the folks who ordered seed of the different Philodendron seed from S. America some time ago, especially if the resulting plants turned out to be or even look like the species they were advertised to be???? The reason I ask is that one friend so very kindly sent three seedlings of what were sold to her as being P. saxicolum, these have now grown large enough to see that they are something else BESIDES P. saxicolum, probably what we would call P. 'selloum' or one of its close relations. For legal concerns I am not using the name of the Company from which they were ordered, but I`d like to hear comments on your seedlings. Recently I had spoken w/ a member who ordered seed from this same Company MANY years ago, he told me his yard had beautiful specimens of what appeared to be a BUNCH of P. 'selloum', no other species of Philo. could be discovered amongst the plants grown from many 'advertised' species. Drop a line to the L. Good Growing, Julius _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: RAYMOMATTLA at cs.com on 2005.02.02 at 12:46:53(12630) Julius, I was thinking the same exact thing. Although I only have P. saxicolom and P. undulatum from that group, it appears they are the same plant. Id like to know how the others are looking, ie.. P. tuxla, P. wendlandii, etc. Michael +More _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Denis Rotolante" denis at skg.com> on 2005.02.03 at 18:20:48(12634) I got similar results from my seed which were supposed to be Saxicolum and speciosum. I was very supprised that the seed was so dry and powdery. The speciosum seed germinated 50% And grew vigorously but turned out to be some plain sagitate leafed vining variety not an arborescent type at all...The saxicolum germinated about 60% but just as you described in your experience turned out to be some kind of bipinnatifidum-esque seedlings. I do not know whether they let the fruit flies and beatles do indescriminate pollinations of plants or they deliberately send people gerbil-speak assuming that the average person will not be able to germinate and grow the seed to maturity and see what they really are. "You want speciosum? Here, take this random open-pollinated selloum seed and grow it out if you can." Oh well. Live and learn... +More Denis at Silver Krome Gardens Homestead Florida -----Original Message----- [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Neil Crafter Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 3:35 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron seed from S. Amer. Dear Julius I was involved in that order from South America a few years back - in fact I have to own up to being one of the instigators. The only success I had in the end were with some seedlings of supposed P.eichleri, as the other seeds did not germinate. The only surviving plant of P.eichleri that I have does not appear to be P.selloum / bipinnatifidum as the leaves are generally only pinnate and not bipinnate, and the stem has very long intra-vaginal squamules. So I would say that my plant is not P.selloum, but whether it is P.eichleri with any certainty is another thing. Looks similar though to Graf's photo of P.eichleri in 'Tropica'. Can't say I'm all that surprised about what you have relayed - just disappointed that's all. Certainly won't be ordering any more seed from these people. probably just as well the other varieties didn't germinate - don't need any more P.selloum!!! Would like to hear from any others who participated some years ago. best regards Neil Neil Crafter Adelaide, Australia On 01/02/2005, at 7:42 PM, Julius Boos wrote: > > Dear All, > > I`d just like to enquire as to what sucess was had the folks who > ordered seed of the different Philodendron seed from S. America some > time ago, especially if the resulting plants turned out to be or even > look like the species they were advertised to be???? The reason I > ask is that one friend so very kindly sent three seedlings of what > were sold to her as being P. saxicolum, these have now grown large > enough to see that they are something else BESIDES P. saxicolum, > probably what we would call P. 'selloum' or one of its close > relations. For legal concerns I am not using the name of the > Company from which they were ordered, but I`d like to hear comments on > your seedlings. Recently I had spoken w/ a member who ordered seed > from this same Company MANY years ago, he told me his yard had > beautiful specimens of what appeared to be a BUNCH of P. 'selloum', no > other species of Philo. could be discovered amongst the plants grown > from many 'advertised' species. > Drop a line to the L. > Good Growing, > Julius > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-l mailing list > Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Albert Knight" mrknight at charter.net> on 2005.02.03 at 21:26:37(12636) P. tuxla has elongated leaves much as burle marxi but is self-heading. The P. selloums seem to be of various sizes and leaf structure but all so far has pretty much same growth habit as the common selloum. [Aroid-l] Philodendron seed from S. Amer. Dear Julius I was involved in that order from South America a few years back - in fact I have to own up to being one of the instigators. The only success I had in the end were with some seedlings of supposed P.eichleri, as the other seeds did not germinate. The only surviving plant of P.eichleri that I have does not appear to be P.selloum / bipinnatifidum as the leaves are generally only pinnate and not bipinnate, and the stem has very long intra-vaginal squamules. So I would say that my plant is not P.selloum, but whether it is P.eichleri with any certainty is another thing. Looks similar though to Graf's photo of P.eichleri in 'Tropica'. Can't say I'm all that surprised about what you have relayed - just disappointed that's all. Certainly won't be ordering any more seed from these people. probably just as well the other varieties didn't germinate - don't need any more P.selloum!!! Would like to hear from any others who participated some years ago. best regards Neil +More Neil Crafter Adelaide, Australia On 01/02/2005, at 7:42 PM, Julius Boos wrote: Dear All, I`d just like to enquire as to what sucess was had the folks who ordered seed of the different Philodendron seed from S. America some time ago, especially if the resulting plants turned out to be or even look like the species they were advertised to be???? The reason I ask is that one friend so very kindly sent three seedlings of what were sold to her as being P. saxicolum, these have now grown large enough to see that they are something else BESIDES P. saxicolum, probably what we would call P. 'selloum' or one of its close relations. For legal concerns I am not using the name of the Company from which they were ordered, but I`d like to hear comments on your seedlings. Recently I had spoken w/ a member who ordered seed from this same Company MANY years ago, he told me his yard had beautiful specimens of what appeared to be a BUNCH of P. 'selloum', no other species of Philo. could be discovered amongst the plants grown from many 'advertised' species. Drop a line to the L. Good Growing, Julius _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2005.02.04 at 17:39:40(12641) Dear Neil, If you have a plant with wavy or moderately lobuled leaf and veeery long intravaginal squamules, maybe you have P. undulatum. Check your plant for this possibility. They are abundant in Southern Brazil and you are probably talking about a "bad seller" from that area. Yes, most material they sell using a lot of interesting names are forms of P. bipinnatifidum (P. selloum is just a synonim). At least there are some wild collected P. bipinnatifidums, if you are interested in develop new breeds. Very best wishes, Eduardo. +More Dr. Eduardo G. Goncalves Universidade Catolica de Brasilia Curso de Ciencias Biologicas Sala M-206, QS 7, Lote 1, EPTC CEP 72030-170, Taguatinga ? DF, BRAZIL. Reply-To: Discussion of aroids To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron seed from S. Amer. Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:05:16 +1030 Dear Julius I was involved in that order from South America a few years back - in fact I have to own up to being one of the instigators. The only success I had in the end were with some seedlings of supposed P.eichleri, as the other seeds did not germinate. The only surviving plant of P.eichleri that I have does not appear to be P.selloum / bipinnatifidum as the leaves are generally only pinnate and not bipinnate, and the stem has very long intra-vaginal squamules. So I would say that my plant is not P.selloum, but whether it is P.eichleri with any certainty is another thing. Looks similar though to Graf's photo of P.eichleri in 'Tropica'. Can't say I'm all that surprised about what you have relayed - just disappointed that's all. Certainly won't be ordering any more seed from these people. probably just as well the other varieties didn't germinate - don't need any more P.selloum!!! Would like to hear from any others who participated some years ago. best regards Neil Neil Crafter Adelaide, Australia On 01/02/2005, at 7:42 PM, Julius Boos wrote: Dear All, I`d just like to enquire as to what sucess was had the folks who ordered seed of the different Philodendron seed from S. America some time ago, especially if the resulting plants turned out to be or even look like the species they were advertised to be???? The reason I ask is that one friend so very kindly sent three seedlings of what were sold to her as being P. saxicolum, these have now grown large enough to see that they are something else BESIDES P. saxicolum, probably what we would call P. 'selloum' or one of its close relations. For legal concerns I am not using the name of the Company from which they were ordered, but I`d like to hear comments on your seedlings. Recently I had spoken w/ a member who ordered seed from this same Company MANY years ago, he told me his yard had beautiful specimens of what appeared to be a BUNCH of P. 'selloum', no other species of Philo. could be discovered amongst the plants grown from many 'advertised' species. Drop a line to the L. Good Growing, Julius _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger: instale gr?tis e converse com seus amigos. http://messenger.msn.com.br _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2005.02.04 at 17:45:53(12642) Dear Denis, Bingo! You are completely right! Those that are not wild collected are obtained from completely random pollination. Even when the mother plants are different species, pollen from P. bipinnatifidum makes everything to appear P. bipinnatifidum-like. +More Very best wishes, Eduardo. Dr. Eduardo G. Goncalves Universidade Catolica de Brasilia Curso de Ciencias Biologicas Sala M-206, QS 7, Lote 1, EPTC CEP 72030-170, Taguatinga ? DF, BRAZIL. Reply-To: Discussion of aroids To: "'Discussion of aroids'" Subject: RE: [Aroid-l] Philodendron seed from S. Amer. Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:20:48 -0500 I got similar results from my seed which were supposed to be Saxicolum and speciosum. I was very supprised that the seed was so dry and powdery. The speciosum seed germinated 50% And grew vigorously but turned out to be some plain sagitate leafed vining variety not an arborescent type at all...The saxicolum germinated about 60% but just as you described in your experience turned out to be some kind of bipinnatifidum-esque seedlings. I do not know whether they let the fruit flies and beatles do indescriminate pollinations of plants or they deliberately send people gerbil-speak assuming that the average person will not be able to germinate and grow the seed to maturity and see what they really are. "You want speciosum? Here, take this random open-pollinated selloum seed and grow it out if you can." Oh well. Live and learn... Denis at Silver Krome Gardens Homestead Florida -----Original Message----- [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Neil Crafter Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 3:35 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron seed from S. Amer. Dear Julius I was involved in that order from South America a few years back - in fact I have to own up to being one of the instigators. The only success I had in the end were with some seedlings of supposed P.eichleri, as the other seeds did not germinate. The only surviving plant of P.eichleri that I have does not appear to be P.selloum / bipinnatifidum as the leaves are generally only pinnate and not bipinnate, and the stem has very long intra-vaginal squamules. So I would say that my plant is not P.selloum, but whether it is P.eichleri with any certainty is another thing. Looks similar though to Graf's photo of P.eichleri in 'Tropica'. Can't say I'm all that surprised about what you have relayed - just disappointed that's all. Certainly won't be ordering any more seed from these people. probably just as well the other varieties didn't germinate - don't need any more P.selloum!!! Would like to hear from any others who participated some years ago. best regards Neil Neil Crafter Adelaide, Australia On 01/02/2005, at 7:42 PM, Julius Boos wrote: > > Dear All, > > I`d just like to enquire as to what sucess was had the folks who > ordered seed of the different Philodendron seed from S. America some > time ago, especially if the resulting plants turned out to be or even > look like the species they were advertised to be???? The reason I > ask is that one friend so very kindly sent three seedlings of what > were sold to her as being P. saxicolum, these have now grown large > enough to see that they are something else BESIDES P. saxicolum, > probably what we would call P. 'selloum' or one of its close > relations. For legal concerns I am not using the name of the > Company from which they were ordered, but I`d like to hear comments on > your seedlings. Recently I had spoken w/ a member who ordered seed > from this same Company MANY years ago, he told me his yard had > beautiful specimens of what appeared to be a BUNCH of P. 'selloum', no > other species of Philo. could be discovered amongst the plants grown > from many 'advertised' species. > Drop a line to the L. > Good Growing, > Julius > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-l mailing list > Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger: instale gr?tis e converse com seus amigos. http://messenger.msn.com.br _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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