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  Philodendron seed from S. Amer.
From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at msn.com> on 2005.02.01 at 01:12:26(12627)
Dear All,

I`d just like to enquire as to what sucess was had the folks who ordered
seed of the different Philodendron seed from S. America some time ago,
especially if the resulting plants turned out to be or even look like the
species they were advertised to be???? The reason I ask is that one
friend so very kindly sent three seedlings of what were sold to her as being
P. saxicolum, these have now grown large enough to see that they are
something else BESIDES P. saxicolum, probably what we would call P.
'selloum' or one of its close relations. For legal concerns I am not
using the name of the Company from which they were ordered, but I`d like to
hear comments on your seedlings. Recently I had spoken w/ a member who
ordered seed from this same Company MANY years ago, he told me his yard had
beautiful specimens of what appeared to be a BUNCH of P. 'selloum', no other
species of Philo. could be discovered amongst the plants grown from many
'advertised' species.
Drop a line to the L.
Good Growing,
Julius

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From: Neil Crafter golfstra at senet.com.au> on 2005.02.02 at 00:35:16(12629)
Dear Julius
I was involved in that order from South America a few years back - in
fact I have to own up to being one of the instigators. The only success
I had in the end were with some seedlings of supposed P.eichleri, as
the other seeds did not germinate. The only surviving plant of
P.eichleri that I have does not appear to be P.selloum / bipinnatifidum
as the leaves are generally only pinnate and not bipinnate, and the
stem has very long intra-vaginal squamules. So I would say that my
plant is not P.selloum, but whether it is P.eichleri with any certainty
is another thing. Looks similar though to Graf's photo of P.eichleri in
'Tropica'.

Can't say I'm all that surprised about what you have relayed - just
disappointed that's all. Certainly won't be ordering any more seed from
these people. probably just as well the other varieties didn't
germinate - don't need any more P.selloum!!! Would like to hear from
any others who participated some years ago.
best regards
Neil

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From: RAYMOMATTLA at cs.com on 2005.02.02 at 04:46:53(12630)
Julius,
I was thinking the same exact thing. Although I only have P. saxicolom and P. undulatum from that group, it appears they are the same plant. Id like to know how the others are looking, ie.. P. tuxla, P. wendlandii, etc.
Michael
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From: "Denis Rotolante" denis at skg.com> on 2005.02.03 at 10:20:48(12634)
I got similar results from my seed which were supposed to be Saxicolum
and speciosum. I was very supprised that the seed was so dry and
powdery. The speciosum seed germinated 50% And grew vigorously but
turned out to be some plain sagitate leafed vining variety not an
arborescent type at all...The saxicolum germinated about 60% but just as
you described in your experience turned out to be some kind of
bipinnatifidum-esque seedlings. I do not know whether they let the fruit
flies and beatles do indescriminate pollinations of plants or they
deliberately send people gerbil-speak assuming that the average person
will not be able to germinate and grow the seed to maturity and see what
they really are. "You want speciosum? Here, take this random
open-pollinated selloum seed and grow it out if you can." Oh well. Live
and learn...

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From: "Albert Knight" mrknight at charter.net> on 2005.02.03 at 13:26:37(12636)
P. tuxla has elongated leaves much as burle marxi but is self-heading. The
P. selloums seem to be of various sizes and leaf structure but all so far
has pretty much same growth habit as the common selloum.

[Aroid-l] Philodendron seed from S. Amer.

Dear Julius
I was involved in that order from South America a few years back - in fact
I have to own up to being one of the instigators. The only success I had
in the end were with some seedlings of supposed P.eichleri, as the other
seeds did not germinate. The only surviving plant of P.eichleri that I
have does not appear to be P.selloum / bipinnatifidum as the leaves are
generally only pinnate and not bipinnate, and the stem has very long
intra-vaginal squamules. So I would say that my plant is not P.selloum,
but whether it is P.eichleri with any certainty is another thing. Looks
similar though to Graf's photo of P.eichleri in 'Tropica'.

Can't say I'm all that surprised about what you have relayed - just
disappointed that's all. Certainly won't be ordering any more seed from
these people. probably just as well the other varieties didn't germinate -
don't need any more P.selloum!!! Would like to hear from any others who
participated some years ago.
best regards
Neil

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From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2005.02.04 at 09:39:40(12641)
Dear Neil,

If you have a plant with wavy or moderately lobuled leaf and veeery
long intravaginal squamules, maybe you have P. undulatum. Check your plant
for this possibility. They are abundant in Southern Brazil and you are
probably talking about a "bad seller" from that area. Yes, most material
they sell using a lot of interesting names are forms of P. bipinnatifidum
(P. selloum is just a synonim). At least there are some wild collected P.
bipinnatifidums, if you are interested in develop new breeds.

Very best wishes,

Eduardo.

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From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2005.02.04 at 09:45:53(12642)
Dear Denis,

Bingo! You are completely right! Those that are not wild collected are
obtained from completely random pollination. Even when the mother plants are
different species, pollen from P. bipinnatifidum makes everything to appear
P. bipinnatifidum-like.

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