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Scaring systematics...
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From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2006.02.03 at 19:42:32(13806)
Dear scared people,
Yes, and Ruscaceae is not even included in Liliales... It is in a different
order, Asparagales!
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And for those that want to hear about the "latest heretic things" (most not
so latest)... Lemna and allies are aroids, Acorus is not an aroid and the
family Araceae is now placed in the order Alismatales, together with most
aquarium plants... And we have now two new aroid genera within the
Spathicarpeae: Croatiella and Incarum...
Very best wishes,
Eduardo.
Dr. Eduardo G. Goncalves
Universidade Catolica de Brasilia
Curso de Ciencias Biologicas
Sala M-206, QS 7, Lote 1, EPTC
CEP 72030-170, Taguatinga ? DF, BRAZIL.
Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
To: Discussion of aroids
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Intrageneric crossing - a good reference
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:03:38 -0800 (PST)
Sansevieria has recently been placed into Ruscaceae.
Eric
Orlando,FL
--- hermine wrote:
> At 12:01 AM 1/30/2006, Peter Boyce wrote:
> >Hermine
> >
> >Just to make you even MORE scared, most people
> don't even put
> >Sanseveria in the Liliaceae any more...
>
>
> THIS IS HERESY. I do not even want to HEAR about
> this.
>
>
> >What frustrates me about all the efforts expended
> on family
> >shuffling & debating is that, e.g., c. 65% of the
> aroids of Borneo
> >have yet to receive even ONE name!
>
> well, it just goes to show that agreement is getting
> rare!
> 2/3rds of the names for Palms commonly grown in
> gardens, have changed
> entirely since a book listing them, published in
> 1947.
> A person almost asks, what is the POINT?
>
> One of the other things I ponder is why is Clivia
> listed as a bulb?
>
> hermine
>
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From: "Abrimaal" abrimaal at wp.pl> on 2006.02.04 at 21:33:08(13807)
Allium in Araceae???? Can't be. It's in its own family Alliaceae.
Marek
----- Original Message -----
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To:
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 8:42 PM
Subject: [Aroid-l] Scaring systematics...
Dear scared people,
Yes, and Ruscaceae is not even included in Liliales... It is in a
different order, Asparagales!
And for those that want to hear about the "latest heretic things" (most
not so latest)... Lemna and allies are aroids, Acorus is not an aroid and
the family Araceae is now placed in the order Alismatales, together with
most aquarium plants... And we have now two new aroid genera within the
Spathicarpeae: Croatiella and Incarum...
Very best wishes,
Eduardo.
Dr. Eduardo G. Goncalves
Universidade Catolica de Brasilia
Curso de Ciencias Biologicas
Sala M-206, QS 7, Lote 1, EPTC
CEP 72030-170, Taguatinga ? DF, BRAZIL.
Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
To: Discussion of aroids
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Intrageneric crossing - a good reference
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:03:38 -0800 (PST)
Sansevieria has recently been placed into Ruscaceae.
Eric
Orlando,FL
--- hermine wrote:
> At 12:01 AM 1/30/2006, Peter Boyce wrote:
> >Hermine
> >
> >Just to make you even MORE scared, most people
> don't even put
> >Sanseveria in the Liliaceae any more...
>
>
> THIS IS HERESY. I do not even want to HEAR about
> this.
>
>
> >What frustrates me about all the efforts expended
> on family
> >shuffling & debating is that, e.g., c. 65% of the
> aroids of Borneo
> >have yet to receive even ONE name!
>
> well, it just goes to show that agreement is getting
> rare!
> 2/3rds of the names for Palms commonly grown in
> gardens, have changed
> entirely since a book listing them, published in
> 1947.
> A person almost asks, what is the POINT?
>
> One of the other things I ponder is why is Clivia
> listed as a bulb?
>
> hermine
>
> _______________________________________________
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From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" hetter at xs4all.nl> on 2006.02.04 at 21:53:32(13808)
Hi Master of Suspense,
Incarum was Asterostigma pavonii, o.k., but what used to be Croatiella? Or
is it a totally new discovery?
Cheerio,
Lord P.
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> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com
> [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] Namens Eduardo Goncalves
> Verzonden: vrijdag 3 februari 2006 20:43
> Aan: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
> Onderwerp: [Aroid-l] Scaring systematics...
>
> Dear scared people,
>
> Yes, and Ruscaceae is not even included in Liliales... It is
> in a different order, Asparagales!
> And for those that want to hear about the "latest heretic
> things" (most not so latest)... Lemna and allies are aroids,
> Acorus is not an aroid and the family Araceae is now placed
> in the order Alismatales, together with most aquarium
> plants... And we have now two new aroid genera within the
> Spathicarpeae: Croatiella and Incarum...
>
> Very best wishes,
>
> Eduardo.
>
>
>
> Dr. Eduardo G. Goncalves
> Universidade Catolica de Brasilia
> Curso de Ciencias Biologicas
> Sala M-206, QS 7, Lote 1, EPTC
> CEP 72030-170, Taguatinga - DF, BRAZIL.
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Eric Schmidt
> >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
> >To: Discussion of aroids
> >Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Intrageneric crossing - a good reference
> >Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:03:38 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Sansevieria has recently been placed into Ruscaceae.
> >
> >Eric
> >Orlando,FL
> >
> >
> >
> >--- hermine wrote:
> >
> > > At 12:01 AM 1/30/2006, Peter Boyce wrote:
> > > >Hermine
> > > >
> > > >Just to make you even MORE scared, most people
> > > don't even put
> > > >Sanseveria in the Liliaceae any more...
> > >
> > >
> > > THIS IS HERESY. I do not even want to HEAR about this.
> > >
> > >
> > > >What frustrates me about all the efforts expended
> > > on family
> > > >shuffling & debating is that, e.g., c. 65% of the
> > > aroids of Borneo
> > > >have yet to receive even ONE name!
> > >
> > > well, it just goes to show that agreement is getting
> > > rare!
> > > 2/3rds of the names for Palms commonly grown in
> > > gardens, have changed
> > > entirely since a book listing them, published in
> > > 1947.
> > > A person almost asks, what is the POINT?
> > >
> > > One of the other things I ponder is why is Clivia
> > > listed as a bulb?
> > >
> > > hermine
> > >
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> >
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From: "Abrimaal" abrimaal at wp.pl> on 2006.02.05 at 18:29:29(13811)
Croatiella is also excluded from Asterostigma. it was A. integrifolium:
http://www.bgbm.fu-berlin.de/bgbm/library/publikat/willd35/abstr_35_2.htm
Greetings
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Marek
----- Original Message -----
To: "'Discussion of aroids'"
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:53 PM
Subject: RE: [Aroid-l] Scaring systematics...
Hi Master of Suspense,
Incarum was Asterostigma pavonii, o.k., but what used to be Croatiella? Or
is it a totally new discovery?
Cheerio,
Lord P.
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com
[mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] Namens Eduardo Goncalves
Verzonden: vrijdag 3 februari 2006 20:43
Aan: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Onderwerp: [Aroid-l] Scaring systematics...
Dear scared people,
Yes, and Ruscaceae is not even included in Liliales... It is
in a different order, Asparagales!
And for those that want to hear about the "latest heretic
things" (most not so latest)... Lemna and allies are aroids,
Acorus is not an aroid and the family Araceae is now placed
in the order Alismatales, together with most aquarium
plants... And we have now two new aroid genera within the
Spathicarpeae: Croatiella and Incarum...
Very best wishes,
Eduardo.
Dr. Eduardo G. Goncalves
Universidade Catolica de Brasilia
Curso de Ciencias Biologicas
Sala M-206, QS 7, Lote 1, EPTC
CEP 72030-170, Taguatinga - DF, BRAZIL.
>From: Eric Schmidt
>Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
>To: Discussion of aroids
>Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Intrageneric crossing - a good reference
>Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:03:38 -0800 (PST)
>
>Sansevieria has recently been placed into Ruscaceae.
>
>Eric
>Orlando,FL
>
>
>
>--- hermine wrote:
>
> > At 12:01 AM 1/30/2006, Peter Boyce wrote:
> > >Hermine
> > >
> > >Just to make you even MORE scared, most people
> > don't even put
> > >Sanseveria in the Liliaceae any more...
> >
> >
> > THIS IS HERESY. I do not even want to HEAR about this.
> >
> >
> > >What frustrates me about all the efforts expended
> > on family
> > >shuffling & debating is that, e.g., c. 65% of the
> > aroids of Borneo
> > >have yet to receive even ONE name!
> >
> > well, it just goes to show that agreement is getting
> > rare!
> > 2/3rds of the names for Palms commonly grown in
> > gardens, have changed
> > entirely since a book listing them, published in
> > 1947.
> > A person almost asks, what is the POINT?
> >
> > One of the other things I ponder is why is Clivia
> > listed as a bulb?
> >
> > hermine
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l
> >
>
>
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From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2006.02.06 at 01:06:34(13814)
Dear Lord P,
Yes, you?re correct. Incarum pavonii was Asterostigma pavonii... And
Croatiella is a brand new genus for a not so new species... In 2002 Tom
Croat recollected Asterostigma integrifolium in Ecuador. I was suspicious
for a long time that this "Asterostigma" was not a real Asterostigma (now a
genus endemic to Brazil), but I thought it could be a second species of
Incarum. When I got DNA material, together with a close analysis of flowers
and other features, I realized that "Asterostigma" integrifolium was, in
fact, a new and somewhat isolated genus in the Spathicarpeae, only losely
related to Spathicarpa and Synandrospadix. For those wanting to see the
entire story, take a look at the article whose abstract is below:
Gon?alves, E. G.: Two new Andean genera for the tribe Spathicarpeae
(Araceae). ? Willdenowia 35: 319-326. ? ISSN 0511-9618; ? 2005 BGBM
Berlin-Dahlem.
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Two unispecific Andean genera are described as new to science in the tribe
Spathicarpeae (Araceae) and illustrated, based on two species formerly
placed in the genus Asterostigma. The genus Incarum is erected to
accommodate A. pavonii that occurs in Andean Peru, Bolivia and Ecuador, and
the new combination Incarum pavonii is validated. The genus Croatiella is
erected to accommodate A. integrifolium from Ecuador and the new combination
Croatiella integrifolia is validated. Incarum is considered related to the
Andean genera Gorgonidium and Spathantheum, whereas Croatiella seems to be
an isolated lineage within the core Spathicarpeae. The arguments to support
these new genera come from cpDNA sequence data, as well as from
biogeographical and morphological aspects.
Very best wishes,
Eduardo.
Dr. Eduardo G. Goncalves
Universidade Catolica de Brasilia
Curso de Ciencias Biologicas
Sala M-206, QS 7, Lote 1, EPTC
CEP 72030-170, Taguatinga ? DF, BRAZIL.
Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
To: "'Discussion of aroids'"
Subject: RE: [Aroid-l] Scaring systematics...
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:53:32 +0100
Hi Master of Suspense,
Incarum was Asterostigma pavonii, o.k., but what used to be Croatiella? Or
is it a totally new discovery?
Cheerio,
Lord P.
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com
> [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] Namens Eduardo Goncalves
> Verzonden: vrijdag 3 februari 2006 20:43
> Aan: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
> Onderwerp: [Aroid-l] Scaring systematics...
>
> Dear scared people,
>
> Yes, and Ruscaceae is not even included in Liliales... It is
> in a different order, Asparagales!
> And for those that want to hear about the "latest heretic
> things" (most not so latest)... Lemna and allies are aroids,
> Acorus is not an aroid and the family Araceae is now placed
> in the order Alismatales, together with most aquarium
> plants... And we have now two new aroid genera within the
> Spathicarpeae: Croatiella and Incarum...
>
> Very best wishes,
>
> Eduardo.
>
>
>
> Dr. Eduardo G. Goncalves
> Universidade Catolica de Brasilia
> Curso de Ciencias Biologicas
> Sala M-206, QS 7, Lote 1, EPTC
> CEP 72030-170, Taguatinga - DF, BRAZIL.
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Eric Schmidt
> >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
> >To: Discussion of aroids
> >Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Intrageneric crossing - a good reference
> >Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:03:38 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Sansevieria has recently been placed into Ruscaceae.
> >
> >Eric
> >Orlando,FL
> >
> >
> >
> >--- hermine wrote:
> >
> > > At 12:01 AM 1/30/2006, Peter Boyce wrote:
> > > >Hermine
> > > >
> > > >Just to make you even MORE scared, most people
> > > don't even put
> > > >Sanseveria in the Liliaceae any more...
> > >
> > >
> > > THIS IS HERESY. I do not even want to HEAR about this.
> > >
> > >
> > > >What frustrates me about all the efforts expended
> > > on family
> > > >shuffling & debating is that, e.g., c. 65% of the
> > > aroids of Borneo
> > > >have yet to receive even ONE name!
> > >
> > > well, it just goes to show that agreement is getting
> > > rare!
> > > 2/3rds of the names for Palms commonly grown in
> > > gardens, have changed
> > > entirely since a book listing them, published in
> > > 1947.
> > > A person almost asks, what is the POINT?
> > >
> > > One of the other things I ponder is why is Clivia
> > > listed as a bulb?
> > >
> > > hermine
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
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> > >
> >
> >
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From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2006.02.06 at 01:12:46(13815)
Dear Marek
Wow... what a confusion... I said Lemna and ALLIES (i.e., related groups,
namely: Spirodela, Wolffia, Wolffiella and Landoltia), not Allium
(Garlic)!!!! (LOL)
Don?t be affraid Allium is still Alliaceae and I don?t think it will
change for the next 15 minutes... (Just kidding)
Very best wishes,
Eduardo
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Dr. Eduardo G. Goncalves
Universidade Catolica de Brasilia
Curso de Ciencias Biologicas
Sala M-206, QS 7, Lote 1, EPTC
CEP 72030-170, Taguatinga ? DF, BRAZIL.
Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
To: "Discussion of aroids"
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Scaring systematics...
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:33:08 +0100
Allium in Araceae???? Can't be. It's in its own family Alliaceae.
Marek
----- Original Message ----- From: "Eduardo Goncalves"
To:
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 8:42 PM
Subject: [Aroid-l] Scaring systematics...
Dear scared people,
Yes, and Ruscaceae is not even included in Liliales... It is in a
different order, Asparagales!
And for those that want to hear about the "latest heretic things" (most
not so latest)... Lemna and allies are aroids, Acorus is not an aroid and
the family Araceae is now placed in the order Alismatales, together with
most aquarium plants... And we have now two new aroid genera within the
Spathicarpeae: Croatiella and Incarum...
Very best wishes,
Eduardo.
Dr. Eduardo G. Goncalves
Universidade Catolica de Brasilia
Curso de Ciencias Biologicas
Sala M-206, QS 7, Lote 1, EPTC
CEP 72030-170, Taguatinga ? DF, BRAZIL.
Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
To: Discussion of aroids
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Intrageneric crossing - a good reference
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:03:38 -0800 (PST)
Sansevieria has recently been placed into Ruscaceae.
Eric
Orlando,FL
--- hermine wrote:
> At 12:01 AM 1/30/2006, Peter Boyce wrote:
> >Hermine
> >
> >Just to make you even MORE scared, most people
> don't even put
> >Sanseveria in the Liliaceae any more...
>
>
> THIS IS HERESY. I do not even want to HEAR about
> this.
>
>
> >What frustrates me about all the efforts expended
> on family
> >shuffling & debating is that, e.g., c. 65% of the
> aroids of Borneo
> >have yet to receive even ONE name!
>
> well, it just goes to show that agreement is getting
> rare!
> 2/3rds of the names for Palms commonly grown in
> gardens, have changed
> entirely since a book listing them, published in
> 1947.
> A person almost asks, what is the POINT?
>
> One of the other things I ponder is why is Clivia
> listed as a bulb?
>
> hermine
>
> _______________________________________________
> Aroid-l mailing list
> Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l
>
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From: "Simon Mayo" s.mayo at rbgkew.org.uk> on 2006.02.06 at 13:49:32(13816)
Dear Eduardo,
I'm fascinated about Croatiella!
Is this since your thesis? Is it Brazilian?
Best wishes,
Simon
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To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Date sent: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:42:32 +0000
Subject: [Aroid-l] Scaring systematics...
Send reply to: Discussion of aroids
> Dear scared people,
>
> Yes, and Ruscaceae is not even included in Liliales... It is in a
> different order, Asparagales! And for those that want to hear about
> the "latest heretic things" (most not so latest)... Lemna and allies
> are aroids, Acorus is not an aroid and the family Araceae is now
> placed in the order Alismatales, together with most aquarium plants...
> And we have now two new aroid genera within the Spathicarpeae:
> Croatiella and Incarum...
>
> Very best wishes,
>
> Eduardo.
>
>
>
> Dr. Eduardo G. Goncalves
> Universidade Catolica de Brasilia
> Curso de Ciencias Biologicas
> Sala M-206, QS 7, Lote 1, EPTC
> CEP 72030-170, Taguatinga ? DF, BRAZIL.
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Eric Schmidt
> >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
> >To: Discussion of aroids
> >Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Intrageneric crossing - a good reference
> >Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:03:38 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Sansevieria has recently been placed into Ruscaceae.
> >
> >Eric
> >Orlando,FL
> >
> >
> >
> >--- hermine wrote:
> >
> > > At 12:01 AM 1/30/2006, Peter Boyce wrote:
> > > >Hermine
> > > >
> > > >Just to make you even MORE scared, most people
> > > don't even put
> > > >Sanseveria in the Liliaceae any more...
> > >
> > >
> > > THIS IS HERESY. I do not even want to HEAR about
> > > this.
> > >
> > >
> > > >What frustrates me about all the efforts expended
> > > on family
> > > >shuffling & debating is that, e.g., c. 65% of the
> > > aroids of Borneo
> > > >have yet to receive even ONE name!
> > >
> > > well, it just goes to show that agreement is getting
> > > rare!
> > > 2/3rds of the names for Palms commonly grown in
> > > gardens, have changed
> > > entirely since a book listing them, published in
> > > 1947.
> > > A person almost asks, what is the POINT?
> > >
> > > One of the other things I ponder is why is Clivia
> > > listed as a bulb?
> > >
> > > hermine
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From: "Abrimaal" abrimaal at wp.pl> on 2006.02.06 at 21:36:12(13819)
Thanks, I realized too late that you meant "allies" as "related", not like
"lilies" the plural of Lilium :)
Marek
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----- Original Message -----
To:
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Scaring systematics...
Dear Marek
Wow... what a confusion... I said Lemna and ALLIES (i.e., related groups,
namely: Spirodela, Wolffia, Wolffiella and Landoltia), not Allium
(Garlic)!!!! (LOL)
Don īt be affraid Allium is still Alliaceae and I don īt think it will
change for the next 15 minutes... (Just kidding)
Very best wishes,
Eduardo
Dr. Eduardo G. Goncalves
Universidade Catolica de Brasilia
Curso de Ciencias Biologicas
Sala M-206, QS 7, Lote 1, EPTC
CEP 72030-170, Taguatinga ? DF, BRAZIL.
Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
To: "Discussion of aroids"
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Scaring systematics...
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:33:08 +0100
Allium in Araceae???? Can't be. It's in its own family Alliaceae.
Marek
----- Original Message ----- From: "Eduardo Goncalves"
To:
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 8:42 PM
Subject: [Aroid-l] Scaring systematics...
Dear scared people,
Yes, and Ruscaceae is not even included in Liliales... It is in a
different order, Asparagales!
And for those that want to hear about the "latest heretic things" (most
not so latest)... Lemna and allies are aroids, Acorus is not an aroid and
the family Araceae is now placed in the order Alismatales, together with
most aquarium plants... And we have now two new aroid genera within the
Spathicarpeae: Croatiella and Incarum...
Very best wishes,
Eduardo.
Dr. Eduardo G. Goncalves
Universidade Catolica de Brasilia
Curso de Ciencias Biologicas
Sala M-206, QS 7, Lote 1, EPTC
CEP 72030-170, Taguatinga ? DF, BRAZIL.
Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
To: Discussion of aroids
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Intrageneric crossing - a good reference
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:03:38 -0800 (PST)
Sansevieria has recently been placed into Ruscaceae.
Eric
Orlando,FL
--- hermine wrote:
> At 12:01 AM 1/30/2006, Peter Boyce wrote:
> >Hermine
> >
> >Just to make you even MORE scared, most people
> don't even put
> >Sanseveria in the Liliaceae any more...
>
>
> THIS IS HERESY. I do not even want to HEAR about
> this.
>
>
> >What frustrates me about all the efforts expended
> on family
> >shuffling & debating is that, e.g., c. 65% of the
> aroids of Borneo
> >have yet to receive even ONE name!
>
> well, it just goes to show that agreement is getting
> rare!
> 2/3rds of the names for Palms commonly grown in
> gardens, have changed
> entirely since a book listing them, published in
> 1947.
> A person almost asks, what is the POINT?
>
> One of the other things I ponder is why is Clivia
> listed as a bulb?
>
> hermine
>
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