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From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2006.02.03 at 19:42:32(13806)
Dear scared people,

Yes, and Ruscaceae is not even included in Liliales... It is in a different
order, Asparagales!

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From: "Abrimaal" abrimaal at wp.pl> on 2006.02.04 at 21:33:08(13807)
Allium in Araceae???? Can't be. It's in its own family Alliaceae.

Marek

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From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" hetter at xs4all.nl> on 2006.02.04 at 21:53:32(13808)
Hi Master of Suspense,

Incarum was Asterostigma pavonii, o.k., but what used to be Croatiella? Or
is it a totally new discovery?

Cheerio,
Lord P.

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From: "Abrimaal" abrimaal at wp.pl> on 2006.02.05 at 18:29:29(13811)
Croatiella is also excluded from Asterostigma. it was A. integrifolium:
http://www.bgbm.fu-berlin.de/bgbm/library/publikat/willd35/abstr_35_2.htm

Greetings

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From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2006.02.06 at 01:06:34(13814)
Dear Lord P,

Yes, you?re correct. Incarum pavonii was Asterostigma pavonii... And
Croatiella is a brand new genus for a not so new species... In 2002 Tom
Croat recollected Asterostigma integrifolium in Ecuador. I was suspicious
for a long time that this "Asterostigma" was not a real Asterostigma (now a
genus endemic to Brazil), but I thought it could be a second species of
Incarum. When I got DNA material, together with a close analysis of flowers
and other features, I realized that "Asterostigma" integrifolium was, in
fact, a new and somewhat isolated genus in the Spathicarpeae, only losely
related to Spathicarpa and Synandrospadix. For those wanting to see the
entire story, take a look at the article whose abstract is below:

Gon?alves, E. G.: Two new Andean genera for the tribe Spathicarpeae
(Araceae). ? Willdenowia 35: 319-326. ? ISSN 0511-9618; ? 2005 BGBM
Berlin-Dahlem.

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From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2006.02.06 at 01:12:46(13815)
Dear Marek

Wow... what a confusion... I said Lemna and ALLIES (i.e., related groups,
namely: Spirodela, Wolffia, Wolffiella and Landoltia), not Allium
(Garlic)!!!! (LOL)
Don?t be affraid Allium is still Alliaceae and I don?t think it will
change for the next 15 minutes... (Just kidding)

Very best wishes,

Eduardo

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From: "Simon Mayo" s.mayo at rbgkew.org.uk> on 2006.02.06 at 13:49:32(13816)
Dear Eduardo,

I'm fascinated about Croatiella!
Is this since your thesis? Is it Brazilian?

Best wishes,

Simon

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From: "Abrimaal" abrimaal at wp.pl> on 2006.02.06 at 21:36:12(13819)
Thanks, I realized too late that you meant "allies" as "related", not like
"lilies" the plural of Lilium :)

Marek

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