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Anthurium regale and the Issue of Botanical Specimens
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From: ted.held at us.henkel.com on 2007.03.02 at 13:58:26(15379)
Have you folks been following Steve
Lucas's developing story about the Anthurium regale bloom? The point that
interests me here the most is the morphological and color changes that
this inflorescence has displayed over the LONG bloom process.
What happens if a scientifically-minded
collector happens upon such a plant in the early stages of bloom? Let's
assume she secures a specimen and describes it with perfect accuracy. Later,
another collector makes a hike into the same area, finds an exact clone
of the first specimen in bloom, but at a maturation date six weeks later
than was available to the first collector, when the inflorescence is a
completely different color and when all the little "naughty bits"
have morphed.
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How does the taxonomist know that the
two plants are the same?
It seems to this untrained observer
that only a painstaking record such as that on Steve's site would be adequate
to describe a species and avoid the ambiguity.
Here is the address in case you have
not seen it yet:
http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Anthurium%20regale%20spathe%20page%205%20pc.html_______________________________________________
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From: "Steve Lucas Exotic Rainforest" <steve at exoticrainforest.com> on 2007.03.04 at 18:02:40(15385)
Thank you Ted. And thanks to Dr. Croat, Julius, LariAnn,
Ron Kaufmann and the others who have guided me through observing this
plant. I did it because I was curious. And now I feel there is much
more to learn. So the next time the plant produces a spathe I will be
sitting there with camera in hand to document what I see again. Hopefully
I will learn a bit more each time.
I make no claim to being a botanist. I am not
botanically trained. I just like to read and observe the plants in my
collection. And I encourage you all to do the same. Dr. Croat has
made comments along the entire 70 plus days pointing me in the right direction
and away from some of the crazy things I wanted to assume in error. As a
result, I learned a lot about anthurium reproduction. And may have
discovered a few things others have missed before. So, grab a camera and a
notepad and watch your plants when they produce a spathe. You never know
what you just might learn. Besides, it has been fun!
Thanks again Ted, and all the others who have helped.
Hopefully after I observe this plant do this a few more times we will all know
more about this unbelievably beautiful species from Peru.
Steve Lucas
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From:
ted.held@us.henkel.com
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Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 7:58
AM
Subject: [Aroid-l] Anthurium regale and
the Issue of Botanical Specimens
Have you folks been following
Steve Lucas's developing story about the Anthurium regale bloom? The point
that interests me here the most is the morphological and color changes that
this inflorescence has displayed over the LONG bloom process.
What happens if a scientifically-minded
collector happens upon such a plant in the early stages of bloom? Let's assume
she secures a specimen and describes it with perfect accuracy. Later, another
collector makes a hike into the same area, finds an exact clone of the first
specimen in bloom, but at a maturation date six weeks later than was available
to the first collector, when the inflorescence is a completely different color
and when all the little "naughty bits" have morphed. How does the taxonomist know that the two plants are
the same? It seems to this
untrained observer that only a painstaking record such as that on Steve's site
would be adequate to describe a species and avoid the ambiguity.
Here is the address in case you have not
seen it yet: http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Anthurium%20regale%20spathe%20page%205%20pc.html
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From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at msn.com> on 2007.03.05 at 07:53:52(15390)
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Sent : Friday, March 2, 2007 1:58 PM
To : Discussion of aroids
Subject : [Aroid-l] Anthurium regale and the Issue of Botanical Specimens
Dear Ted,
I have a LITTLE knowledge that I will share with us friends, as I was
blessed to do some work with the late Lynn Hannon who was Tom Croat`s 'right
hand man' during his extensive collecting jaunts in Ecuador. She always
told me that an infloresence SHOULD always be collected when it was at male
anthesis, as this way it generally was at its peak of development.
Steve`s invaluable observations, documented on film for ONE Anthurium
species has demonstrated how different, at least in its colors, one spadix
can be during its LONG development, from a yellow color to ivory to purple.
Tom Croat has commented on how very valuable to Scientists this
documentation is proving to be, and for the future I GUESS all a colloctor
will be able to do is make a note something like "specimen seemingly before
male anthesis', or 'specimen post-male anthesis" etc. on wild-collected
specimens.
I`m certain that all observations on home-grown, DOCUMENTED wild collected
plants would be welcomed by Scientists like Dr. Croat at MOBOT.
I hope that these comments are helpful.
Julius
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Have you folks been following Steve Lucas's developing story about the
Anthurium regale bloom? The point that interests me here the most is the
morphological and color changes that this inflorescence has displayed
over the LONG bloom process.
What happens if a scientifically-minded collector happens upon such a plant
in the early stages of bloom? Let's assume she secures a specimen and
describes it with perfect accuracy. Later, another collector makes a hike
into the same area, finds an exact clone of the first specimen in bloom, but
at a maturation date six weeks later than was available to the first
collector, when the inflorescence is a completely different color and when
all the little "naughty bits" have morphed.
How does the taxonomist know that the two plants are the same?
It seems to this untrained observer that only a painstaking record such as
that on Steve's site would be adequate to describe a species and avoid the
ambiguity.
Here is the address in case you have not seen it yet:<<
http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Anthurium%20regale%20spathe%20page%205%20pc.html
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