email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of Alistair Hay
Sent: Monday, March
26, 2007 8:17 PM
Subject: RE: [Aroid-l] Speak to
Derek I am not sure that the hurdle you present, while
a significant issue to be addressed at some stage, prevents things being
started because you could first of all go straight into starting the process
with completely new cultivars.
Moreover, it is valuable for the ICRA to publish
cultivars that may have already been established (rather obscurely in
nursery catalogues for example) where you are reasonably confident of their
identity (which may actually be determined based on common current usage
anyway). The place of establishment can be indicated as 'not known' with
the effect that, if it turns out the cv name has not actuially been
previously established, it is established at this time of publication, and
hence can be registered anyway. If at a later date it is found to have been
previously established, the records can be amended accordingly in the online
The certain date and place of first establishment is
chiefly important in instances of dispute over the use of one epithet for
different cultivars in the same denomination class - to determine which
has priority - and it might be pragmatic to only conduct the sort of research
needed to establish confidently the date and place of first establishment when
and as such instances of dispute arise. - That is until someone comes along
with a passionate interest in trawling through old gardening dictionaries and
nursery catalogues etc and accumulating this info for all the aroids!
It is cheeky of me to say this as an appallingly
lapsed IAS member, but I think this is an area of the Soc's work that it is far
better to get started and make a few mistakes and omissions than to put off
further for fear of not doing it perfectly!
Further cheek: JMO but I do think it is important for
IAS as the ICRA to offer the publication service either in Aroideana or in the
IAS newsletter (if that is still produced in hard copy). In fact I believe it
is set out in the Code as one of the responsibilites of the ICRA to see to it
that cultivars submitted for registration are published.
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To: "'Discussion of aroids'"
Subject: [Aroid-l] Speak to me, Joe
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:20:48 -0400
For those of us like me with the
retention span of a gnat, to which particular suggestion from Dr Hay do you
refer? If it is the one to get a fire lit under the registration process by
taking a very pragmatic approach to data collection, I am all for it. One of
the hurdles that I don’t know how to cross on getting the registration
started is that even the small lists of cultivars which have been produced by
the society from time to time need each entry to be checked for place of
publication (if such exists). Only those that have appeared in print, of course,
can be considered for registration according to the International Code.
If a form like that outlined by Dr.
Hay comes into being, his entry “Name established” asking for a
place of publication (if there is not the regular annual feature in Aroideana
set up as he suggests) is of vital importance for when the ‘online
register’ converts to a proper Registration Authority list.
I feel that his suggestion is a
great step forward in getting this under discussion and finally perhaps into
email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of Wrig14@aol.com
March 21, 2007 2:21 PM
Subject: [Aroid-l] Mute!
recall awhile back when a poem posted here was screened as being unfit for the
forum. Yet accepted is a personal opinion expressed in an
undignified manner by a professional about an associate who submitted a
solution to an obvious problem. It is the sole responsibility of the International
Aroid Society to resolve this issue and Dr. Hays' suggestion
was both valid and timely. Most disturbing for this
writer is the silence by members concerning the suggestion. The silence
is deafening. Joe
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