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  Epiphytes. And I may be nuts!
From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2008.05.29 at 06:15:44(17640)
Epiphytes in the rain forest. Orchids, aroids and more!

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From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2008.05.30 at 14:17:27(17643)
We've added about 50 plants so far including one Anthurium. If you're interested in seeing the progress check the link. I have two garden clubs coming to see it tomorrow and Saturday so I've got workers coming tonight to add as many more orchids, bromeliads, ferns and vines as possible. One more Anthurium sent by Harry will go up as well. By the way, Windy, the Anthurium at the top left is one you gave me!

http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Epiphyte%20tree.html

Steve Lucas

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From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2008.05.30 at 14:23:24(17644)
We've added about 50 plants so far to the epiphyte tree. Lots of vandas, bromeliads, Oncidicum orchidsand as well as other orchids plus ferns. vines and one Anthurium which Windy Aubrey gave me. Tonight I have helpers coming to add a bunch more bromeliads sent by a collector in Naples, FL plus many more orchids and an Anthurium sent by Harry. These plants will be quite beautiful in a few months and years. Cleck the link to see the progress.
http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Epiphyte%20tree.html

Steve Lucas

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From: exotics at hawaii.rr.com (Windy Aubrey) on 2008.05.31 at 11:10:12(17649)
Well, Steve you don't have to die to go to heaven, because you are in heaven now! Absolutely beautiful!!!!
Look forward to watching it grow, so please keep sharing images of the progress.
Windy

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From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2008.06.01 at 10:53:01(17657)
Thanks Windy. I'm already enjoying it more than I can say. And I had another kind soul tell me today Lycopodiums were club mosses so I've spent much of the day reading about club moss. I can't find an accurate scientific name for the intertwined species I have now posted a sharper image of on the page. If any of you have a good idea, please forward it to me!

Thanks!

Steve Lucas

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From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com (brian lee) on 2008.06.02 at 12:32:14(17682)

Dear Steve,

Aloha.

From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com (brian lee) on 2008.06.02 at 12:41:48(17683)
Dear Steve,

Aloha. I am correcting my earlier email: Huperzia
nummularifolia, is the correct spelling.

Aloha,

Leland

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From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2008.06.02 at 13:40:18(17684)

Well, now I've got more to respond to! Thanks to all of you who support me in the effort. I just want to learn about my plants and attempt to share what I can find out. All of you are too kind so let's let this one just die. And especially to the botanists and honest-to-goodness experts on Aroid l, thanks for all your help!

As for Tom's question, Steph and I are great! I'm stronger than I've been in years. I used to be on 4 blood pressure meds and now none! My BP is normal and all the kidney and anti-rejection tests come back normal 3 days a week! I think they are taking too much blood but what do I know!

Leland, I'm attaching two larger photos of the plant here now in question (which is not an aroid)! I'm relatively sure it is Lycopodium nummularifolium Blume which is often Incorrectly listed as Lycopodium nummularifolia Blume on the internet. The synonym is Phlegmariurus nummularifolius (Blume) Ching and the plant was published In: Enumeratio Plantarum in 1828. If any of you know anything, especially scientific, please send me the info! I found it on JSTOR but I don't have access to JSTOR.

The second plant on the epipyphte tree of a club moss is Huperzia phlegmaria (L.) Rothm.,
common names: Lycopodium fern, Coarse tassel fern, and Tassel fern. Again, this one is not an aroid. I've done a page on that one but need a scientist to verify my information before I publish it to the net. If you collect club mosses and know anything you are welcome to offer critical corrections. The page is still not public but the link to that one is here:

http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Huperzia%20phlegmaria%20pc.html

Thanks again to everyone! All I can say is I hope "holly", male or female, finds some peace in the world.

Steve

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From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2008.06.02 at 13:47:25(17686)
Leland, TROPICOS has the basionym as Lycopodium nummularifolium Blume. If you found a source with an earlier name, I'd love to have it!

Steve

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From: exotics at hawaii.rr.com (Windy Aubrey) on 2008.06.02 at 13:55:21(17688)
Hi Steve and Leland,

This is Huperzia phlegmaria, not H. nummularifolia.
H.nummularifolia has scales that are rounder, and lay down a bit more that
H. phlegmaria. Kind of similar, but definitely a different species.

Windy

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From: growit7 at windstream.net (Tere Baber) on 2008.06.02 at 14:56:22(17690)
Steve can you get a photo of each side by side???
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From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2008.06.02 at 14:57:02(17691)
According to TROPICOS the basionym is Huperzia phlegmaria (L.) Rothm. and the other names are synonyms. You can check it and if I read this incorrectly I'll make a correction.

http://www.tropicos.org/Name/26603438

Steve

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From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2008.06.02 at 15:00:45(17692)
Tom helped me find the email address for Dr. Benjamin Ollgaard who is an expert in these mosses. I have sent the link to him to be checked. Obviously if he agrees with your analysis I'll change the information.

Steve

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From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com (brian lee) on 2008.06.02 at 15:26:25(17693)
Dear Steve,

Aloha. First off, I am not a pteridologist or fern
and fern ally specialist....so I may be wrong.

Many, but not all botanists use Ollgaard, B. 1987. A
revised classification of the Lycopodiaceae s. lat.
Opera Botanica 92:153-178., as the reference for
these plants. Those plants originally described under
Plegmariurus, are now considered Huperzia under this
treatment. Vegetatively, the plant you show looks
like it falls into the Phlegmaria group of Huperzia.
Perhaps a pteridologist on this forum can make a
better determination for you. Many of the earlier
names were lumped into Lycopodium... Here in Hawaii,
the genus Huperzia is used for the species once
classified under Lycopodium or Phlegmariurus.

Aloha,

Leland

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From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com (brian lee) on 2008.06.02 at 16:03:25(17695)
Dear Steve and Windy,

Aloha. I just took a look at the epiphyte tree
article again and there are both Huperzia
nummularifolia and Huperzia phlegmaria photos...I only
saw the rounded scale photo earlier.

Aloha,

Leland

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From: exotics at hawaii.rr.com (Windy Aubrey) on 2008.06.02 at 16:20:20(17696)
Steve,

Yes, this is the plant I have always known as Huperzia nummularifolia.

Windy

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From: exotics at hawaii.rr.com (Windy Aubrey) on 2008.06.02 at 16:23:52(17697)
Whoops, I meant Lycopodium, or is it a Huperzia? Gosh, now I'm confused.....

Windy

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From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2008.06.02 at 18:00:07(17699)

Windy, I misread your note. Actually, I was having an insulin reaction and didn't realize it at the time!

This is what TROPICOS has to say about this plant. It lists the basionym as
Lycopodium nummularifolium Blume:

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Lycopodium nummularifolium Blume

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Group: Fern Family: Lycopodiaceae Rank: species

Published In: Enumeratio Plantarum Javae fasc. 2: 263. 1828. (Enum. Pl. Javae.)

Next Higher Taxon:
Lycopodium L. Species Plantarum 2: 1100-1106. 1753. (Sp. Pl.) View in Botanicus
Other combinations for this basionym:
Phlegmariurus nummularifolius (Blume) Ching Acta Botanica Yunnanica 3(3): 298. 1981. (Acta Bot. Yunnan.)

Cite this page: Tropicos.org. Missouri Botanical Garden. 02 Jun 2008 .

? 2008 Missouri Botanical Garden - 4344 Shaw Boulevard - Saint Louis, Missouri 63110

Send feedback | View in classic Tropicos

If you click on Synonyms it brings up this:

a.. Phlegmariurus nummularifolius (Blume) Ching

Flora of China Editorial Committee, Addendum, 200?. Fl. China. ,Checklist Addendum.

Obviously, I'm still checking! Any and all help is certainly appreciated.

Steve Lucas

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From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2008.06.02 at 20:05:32(17702)

According to TROPICO the plant below is a Lycopodium. But these things are very confusing. Hopefully Dr. Ollgaard will bring some clarity to all of this. I sent him an email earlier this afternoon. Attached are the photos I forgot earlier.

Steve Lucas

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From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2008.06.02 at 20:07:09(17703)
I know we're not talking aroids here for those of you not into club mosses! I'm in hopes to get a better handle on this from the "expert" himself. I'll let you know what he says.

Steve

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From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2008.06.02 at 20:11:17(17704)
If you are talking about the club mosses, nNot with both in focus. One is hung on one side of the "tree" with the second on the opposite side. But in a few days I hope to have both pages up so you can just click back and forth to compare. Now if you are talking about the tree itself, there are photos of both sides on the webpage.

Steve

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From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2008.06.02 at 20:59:57(17706)
Leland, check TROPICOS for the base name on these. From the TROPICOS site it appears Huperzia nummularifolia is a snyonym.

Steve

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From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com (brian lee) on 2008.06.02 at 21:51:50(17707)
Dear Steve,

Aloha.

According to TROPICOS, the correct name is, Huperzia
phlegmaria(L.) Rothm. but this is for the acuminate
scaled plant in your photo. You also have a Huperzia
nummularifolia ( I am less sure about the species
spelling) in your photos, which are the rounded
overlapping scaled, plant in your photos.

Now, you are always quick to state that something is
incorrect if it differs from TROPICOS. TROPICOS is
only as current as the data input. Then there are
the professional differences of opinion among
botanists. From what I have read of the later
pteridologists, many of them follow the revision of
Lycopodiaceae of Ollgaard, 1987. In that treatment,
the genus, Lycopodium has a horizontal rhizome. In
the genus, Huperzia, this characteristic is absent and
the stems originate in clusters from a common
point...like both of your plants. There are fertile
characters to key out, but, this one character is
diagnostic...if you accept Ollgaard's revision. Like
I always say, taxonomy and botany are processes.
Authors express their opinion and peers review and
accept or reject their findings.

Aloha,

Leland

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From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com (brian lee) on 2008.06.02 at 22:14:18(17708)
Dear Steve,

Aloha.

I just read your article on Huperzia phlegmaria... I
would re-examine your geological information regarding
the Carboniferous and the glaciations. Also,
Strobilus is singular and strobili is plural. Those
issues popped out at me in my quick read.

Aloha,

Leland

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From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com (brian lee) on 2008.06.03 at 01:49:58(17710)
Dear Steve,

Aloha. I found an email address for a pteridologist,
Robbin C. Moran, who works at NYBG...rmoran at nybg.org.
You may want to ask his opinion about Huperzia
nummularifolia or Lycopodium nummularifolium. I can
only say that when I read the keys on Huperzia and
Lycopodium, your plants are clustered, without a
horizontal rhizome...which would place them in
Huperzia. I am not an expert in this matter, but I am
following Ollgaard's revision....maybe Tropicos does
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From: harrywitmore at witmore.net (Harry Witmore) on 2008.06.03 at 03:44:42(17712)
Steve, I missed seeing a picture of this plant. Can you repost. I have seen
these plant listed both Huperzia and Lycopodium. Sometimes Huperzia being
used mostly for the Asian species. The Fern Growers Manual list them all as
Lycopodium with Huperzia as a synonym. L phlegmaria and nummulaiifolium are
very different.

Here's a good link of Charles Alford's plants.

HYPERLINK
"http://www.rareferns.com/lycopodium.htm"http://www.rareferns.com/lycopodium
.htm

Harry Witmore

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From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2008.06.03 at 13:08:04(17718)
Obviously I have a great deal to learn! Thanks for the lead and I will send him the link to the completed page as well as the photos in hopes of an accurate ID.

Steve

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From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2008.06.03 at 13:12:41(17719)

Gladly Harry.

This is the link to the page with photos for the Huperzia
http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Huperzia%20phlegmaria%20pc.html

The photo of the Lycopodium is attached. I tracked this as Lycopdoium nummularifolium but that is yet to be confirmed:

Steve

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