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Monstera tenuis in cultivation.
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From: ju-bo at msn.com (ju-bo at msn.com) on 2008.06.23 at 09:41:21(17916)
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> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:39:12 -0700
> From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com
> To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Monstera propergation
Dear All, especially Leland,
Aloha.
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From: hluther at selby.org (Harry Luther) on 2008.07.03 at 01:27:57(18057)
Ive checked our records and the greenhouse benches, I can find no records of Monstera tenuis. Mike Madison had quite a collection of Monstera taxa but when he left in 1983 most of his collection was distributed to whoever wanted it. At this same time I was faced with a 3200 sq ft loss of growing space so the loss of a few big aroids wasnt one of my top concerns. We do maintain a synoptic collection of Araceae but because we have no one on staff working with the family its down to ca 800 sq feet of greenhouse bench space. Over the years Ive heard all kinds of stories that we no longer have aroids. Visitors know otherwise. HEL
-----Original Message-----
From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com
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[mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com]On Behalf Of ju-bo at msn.com
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 5:41 AM
To: Discussion of aroids
Subject: [Aroid-l] Monstera tenuis in cultivation.
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> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:39:12 -0700
> From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com
> To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Monstera propergation
Dear All, especially Leland,
Aloha.
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From: gartenbaureisenberger at web.de (Helmut Reisenberger) on 2008.07.04 at 00:39:29(18064)
It is about five years ago that I found a well developed, adult species of Monstera tenuis in the Botanical Garden of Darmstadt (Germany). It didn?t have a name tag and nobody could tell. I got a stem cutting with two internodes and adult leaves. After I have cut the stem into two pieces (each nodium) I sterilized it and put it into a cup of fresh water. As soon root tips developed after two weeks, I put the cuttings into a cup filled with sterile, washed coarse river sand. There it took a while until new shoots showed. The result was: a stem of one millimeter diameter, very long internodes and tiny, round, juvenile leaves. The stems grew for several meters, but the leaves did not get any bigger. I cut the stems again and again and each new cutting produced the same type of new shoots. Over the years now, the oldest plants have a stem of 15 millimeter diameter and still the same type of round, juvenile leaves up to 20 cm diameter. I think it needs time and the right growing conditions to produce adult, spl
it leaves as well as shorter internodes. I never had problems with rooting any cuttings,- like I hardly have problems propagating different Monsteras under "Central European greenhouse conditions". I am about to make a picture documentation of my different Monsteras (with a lot of
ID- questions directed to the forum). I wish I had more time to do it. I?ll be back!
Helmut
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> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: "Harry Luther"
> Gesendet: 03.07.08 17:40:10
> An: "Discussion of aroids"
> Betreff: Re: [Aroid-l] Monstera tenuis in cultivation.
> Ive checked our records and the greenhouse benches, I can find no records of Monstera tenuis. Mike Madison had quite a collection of Monstera taxa but when he left in 1983 most of his collection was distributed to whoever wanted it. At this same time I was faced with a 3200 sq ft loss of growing space so the loss of a few big aroids wasnt one of my top concerns. We do maintain a synoptic collection of Araceae but because we have no one on staff working with the family its down to ca 800 sq feet of greenhouse bench space. Over the years Ive heard all kinds of stories that we no longer have aroids. Visitors know otherwise. HEL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com
> [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com]On Behalf Of ju-bo at msn.com
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 5:41 AM
> To: Discussion of aroids
> Subject: [Aroid-l] Monstera tenuis in cultivation.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
> > Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:39:12 -0700
> > From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com
> > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com
> > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Monstera propergation
>
> Dear All, especially Leland,
>
> Aloha.
> From reading the old note by Craig Phillips, he says that he has seen only two specimens of Monstera tenuis in cultivation, and the one location he does mention is at Selby Gardens! Perhaps our mutual friend Harry Luther can investigate and let us know if this plant still exists there, and if so in what condition? By the way, it is one of the Monsteras which has a pinnatifid leaf blade.
> If this species is so very difficult/impossible to grow from cuttings, and IF it is still in Selby`s collection as an adult plant, and IF it blooms, I`d GUESS that, like my M. deliciosa, it produces large seeds, and seeds = plants!
> You see what a ''leap of faith'' I take here! Maybe Harry can investigate this angle and let us know???
> Another possibility is to learn it`s range in the wild, and try for seeds from there. We know it occurs in Costa Rica, as that is where Craig made his collection of cuttings. I wonder what it`s range is in that general area, if if perhaps it extends into Guatemala??
>
>
> Aloha,
>
> Julius
>
>
>
> > Dear all...especially Julius,
> >
> > Aloha...and good to hear from you.
> >
> > I knew you would know about Craig Phillip's article...what a computer for a brain. My data retrieval is slowing down.
> >
> > So, the big question. Does anyone out there grow Monstera tenuis? It is a beautiful species....very desireable.
> >
> > Aloha,
> >
> > Leland
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 6/21/08, ju-bo at msn.com wrote:
> >
> > > From: ju-bo at msn.com
> > > Subject: [Aroid-l] Monstera propergation
> > > To: "Discussion of aroids"
> > > Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 3:41 AM
> > > ----------------------------------------
> > > > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:56:03 -0700
> > > > From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com
> > > > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Monstera question..
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Sherry, Leland and Jason,
> > >
> > > From reading about some of the Monstera species, some are
> > > almost or actually impossible to root from cuttings.
> > > Craig Phillips, now no longer with us, wrote a note in
> > > Aroideana Vol. 12 called "The Thing That Wouldn`t Die
> > > (or grow either)''. It was on the Costa Rican
> > > species M. tenuis . He collected a dozen or so cuttings in
> > > sun and shade in Costa Rica, being aware of how difficult
> > > they were to root and cultivate. One of his cuttings, the
> > > only ''survivor'', persisted for one and a
> > > half years before FINALLY rotting, so none survived or
> > > rooted, and he and his dear wife Fannie were
> > > ''master growers''. Craig comments that
> > > they grew, with no such problems, 16 other species of
> > > Monstera.
> > > I hope this of assistance.
> > >
> > > Julius
> > >
> > > > Dear Sherry,
> > > >
> > > > Aloha.
> > > >
> > > > I do not know much about Monstera species
> > > taxonomy...except that there are many species that are
> > > deserving of cultivation. I use Monstera deliciosa in
> > > copius amounts in landscaping. I know nothing of the
> > > variegated forms...although I do see many of them.
> > > Regarding Monstera pertusa, it is a valid name. I have
> > > seen so-called Dwarf Monstera and an intermediate sized
> > > Monstera species...but never in flower. There are some
> > > Raphidophora species that look like dwarf Monstera
> > > vegetatively. Hopefully someone out there can add to this
> > > discussion as I am very interested in this subject myself.
> > > >
> > > > I used to correspond with Craig Phillips on Monstera
> > > before he passed away. Are there other Monstera
> > > enthusiasts out there? I am very interested in growing
> > > Monstera punctulata from Panama and Costa Rica. I do not
> > > know if others have this problem, but some Monstera are
> > > very difficult to root from cuttings. I suspect Monstera
> > > punctulata is one of these. Craig and I used to discuss
> > > this problem...they sit and dry or rot. This is highly
> > > unexpected when you see the vigorous plants...I have tried
> > > juvenile and mature stems at multiple times. I am not the
> > > best horticulturist, but I can slice and dice Monstera
> > > delisiosa in efforts at eradication and they root.
> > > >
> > > > Aloha,
> > > >
> > > > Leland
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 6/20/08, Sherry Gates
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: Sherry Gates
> > > > > Subject: [Aroid-l] Monstera question..
> > > > > To: "AroidSendMessage"
> > >
> > > > > Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 4:24 AM
> > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > Is the M. deliciosa the large form and the M.
> > > pertusa the
> > > > > smaller form? I've seen both names used on
> > > both types,
> > > > > whether variegated or not. I've had a couple
> > > of people
> > > > > ask me the difference and after looking around,
> > > to try to
> > > > > make sure I have accurate information, I ended up
> > > uncertain
> > > > > myself. I have the green/white lg. leaf type, the
> > > > > green/yellow lg. leaf type, and the green/white
> > > smaller
> > > > > leaf type. Also, is there a variegation pattern
> > > of some
> > > > > sort that could help identify the difference
> > > between albo
> > > > > variegata Monstera from the 'Thai
> > > Constellation'?
> > > > > Thanks for any information you can give,
> > > > > Sherry
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > TheTropix at msn.com_______________________________________________
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> > > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
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From: abri1973 at wp.pl (Marek Argent) on 2008.07.04 at 18:41:57(18072)
Hi,
What to do with such climbers? I plant the young offset deep in the pot
until the plant produces its own roots, then I tie it to a coconut fiber
stake below every new leaf and keep it moist. The plant roots in it and each
new leaf is larger than the previous one.
Marek
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Helmut Reisenberger"
To: "Discussion of aroids"
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Monstera tenuis in cultivation.
It is about five years ago that I found a well developed, adult species of
Monstera tenuis in the Botanical Garden of Darmstadt (Germany). It didn?t
have a name tag and nobody could tell. I got a stem cutting with two
internodes and adult leaves. After I have cut the stem into two pieces (each
nodium) I sterilized it and put it into a cup of fresh water. As soon root
tips developed after two weeks, I put the cuttings into a cup filled with
sterile, washed coarse river sand. There it took a while until new shoots
showed. The result was: a stem of one millimeter diameter, very long
internodes and tiny, round, juvenile leaves. The stems grew for several
meters, but the leaves did not get any bigger. I cut the stems again and
again and each new cutting produced the same type of new shoots. Over the
years now, the oldest plants have a stem of 15 millimeter diameter and still
the same type of round, juvenile leaves up to 20 cm diameter. I think it
needs time and the right growing conditions to produce adult, split leaves
as well as shorter internodes. I never had problems with rooting any
cuttings,- like I hardly have problems propagating different Monsteras under
"Central European greenhouse conditions". I am about to make a picture
documentation of my different Monsteras (with a lot of
ID- questions directed to the forum). I wish I had more time to do it. I?ll
be back!
Helmut
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: "Harry Luther"
> Gesendet: 03.07.08 17:40:10
> An: "Discussion of aroids"
> Betreff: Re: [Aroid-l] Monstera tenuis in cultivation.
> Ive checked our records and the greenhouse benches, I can find no records
> of Monstera tenuis. Mike Madison had quite a collection of Monstera taxa
> but when he left in 1983 most of his collection was distributed to whoever
> wanted it. At this same time I was faced with a 3200 sq ft loss of growing
> space so the loss of a few big aroids wasnt one of my top concerns. We do
> maintain a synoptic collection of Araceae but because we have no one on
> staff working with the family its down to ca 800 sq feet of greenhouse
> bench space. Over the years Ive heard all kinds of stories that we no
> longer have aroids. Visitors know otherwise. HEL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com
> [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com]On Behalf Of ju-bo at msn.com
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 5:41 AM
> To: Discussion of aroids
> Subject: [Aroid-l] Monstera tenuis in cultivation.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
> > Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:39:12 -0700
> > From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com
> > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com
> > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Monstera propergation
>
> Dear All, especially Leland,
>
> Aloha.
> From reading the old note by Craig Phillips, he says that he has seen only
> two specimens of Monstera tenuis in cultivation, and the one location he
> does mention is at Selby Gardens! Perhaps our mutual friend Harry Luther
> can investigate and let us know if this plant still exists there, and if
> so in what condition? By the way, it is one of the Monsteras which has a
> pinnatifid leaf blade.
> If this species is so very difficult/impossible to grow from cuttings, and
> IF it is still in Selby`s collection as an adult plant, and IF it blooms,
> I`d GUESS that, like my M. deliciosa, it produces large seeds, and seeds =
> plants!
> You see what a ''leap of faith'' I take here! Maybe Harry can
> investigate this angle and let us know???
> Another possibility is to learn it`s range in the wild, and try for seeds
> from there. We know it occurs in Costa Rica, as that is where Craig made
> his collection of cuttings. I wonder what it`s range is in that general
> area, if if perhaps it extends into Guatemala??
>
>
> Aloha,
>
> Julius
>
>
>
> > Dear all...especially Julius,
> >
> > Aloha...and good to hear from you.
> >
> > I knew you would know about Craig Phillip's article...what a computer
> > for a brain. My data retrieval is slowing down.
> >
> > So, the big question. Does anyone out there grow Monstera tenuis? It
> > is a beautiful species....very desireable.
> >
> > Aloha,
> >
> > Leland
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 6/21/08, ju-bo at msn.com wrote:
> >
> > > From: ju-bo at msn.com
> > > Subject: [Aroid-l] Monstera propergation
> > > To: "Discussion of aroids"
> > > Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 3:41 AM
> > > ----------------------------------------
> > > > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:56:03 -0700
> > > > From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com
> > > > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Monstera question..
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Sherry, Leland and Jason,
> > >
> > > From reading about some of the Monstera species, some are
> > > almost or actually impossible to root from cuttings.
> > > Craig Phillips, now no longer with us, wrote a note in
> > > Aroideana Vol. 12 called "The Thing That Wouldn`t Die
> > > (or grow either)''. It was on the Costa Rican
> > > species M. tenuis . He collected a dozen or so cuttings in
> > > sun and shade in Costa Rica, being aware of how difficult
> > > they were to root and cultivate. One of his cuttings, the
> > > only ''survivor'', persisted for one and a
> > > half years before FINALLY rotting, so none survived or
> > > rooted, and he and his dear wife Fannie were
> > > ''master growers''. Craig comments that
> > > they grew, with no such problems, 16 other species of
> > > Monstera.
> > > I hope this of assistance.
> > >
> > > Julius
> > >
> > > > Dear Sherry,
> > > >
> > > > Aloha.
> > > >
> > > > I do not know much about Monstera species
> > > taxonomy...except that there are many species that are
> > > deserving of cultivation. I use Monstera deliciosa in
> > > copius amounts in landscaping. I know nothing of the
> > > variegated forms...although I do see many of them.
> > > Regarding Monstera pertusa, it is a valid name. I have
> > > seen so-called Dwarf Monstera and an intermediate sized
> > > Monstera species...but never in flower. There are some
> > > Raphidophora species that look like dwarf Monstera
> > > vegetatively. Hopefully someone out there can add to this
> > > discussion as I am very interested in this subject myself.
> > > >
> > > > I used to correspond with Craig Phillips on Monstera
> > > before he passed away. Are there other Monstera
> > > enthusiasts out there? I am very interested in growing
> > > Monstera punctulata from Panama and Costa Rica. I do not
> > > know if others have this problem, but some Monstera are
> > > very difficult to root from cuttings. I suspect Monstera
> > > punctulata is one of these. Craig and I used to discuss
> > > this problem...they sit and dry or rot. This is highly
> > > unexpected when you see the vigorous plants...I have tried
> > > juvenile and mature stems at multiple times. I am not the
> > > best horticulturist, but I can slice and dice Monstera
> > > delisiosa in efforts at eradication and they root.
> > > >
> > > > Aloha,
> > > >
> > > > Leland
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 6/20/08, Sherry Gates
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: Sherry Gates
> > > > > Subject: [Aroid-l] Monstera question..
> > > > > To: "AroidSendMessage"
> > >
> > > > > Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 4:24 AM
> > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > Is the M. deliciosa the large form and the M.
> > > pertusa the
> > > > > smaller form? I've seen both names used on
> > > both types,
> > > > > whether variegated or not. I've had a couple
> > > of people
> > > > > ask me the difference and after looking around,
> > > to try to
> > > > > make sure I have accurate information, I ended up
> > > uncertain
> > > > > myself. I have the green/white lg. leaf type, the
> > > > > green/yellow lg. leaf type, and the green/white
> > > smaller
> > > > > leaf type. Also, is there a variegation pattern
> > > of some
> > > > > sort that could help identify the difference
> > > between albo
> > > > > variegata Monstera from the 'Thai
> > > Constellation'?
> > > > > Thanks for any information you can give,
> > > > > Sherry
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > TheTropix at msn.com_______________________________________________
> > > > > Aroid-L mailing list
> > > > > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com
> > > > >
> > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
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From: gartenbaureisenberger at web.de (Helmut Reisenberger) on 2008.07.13 at 23:31:58(18138)
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Hi Julius, Leyland, Harry ...
As promised, I send a few picts. of my Monstera tenuis in greenhouse cultivation and a short history of my efforts to grow cuttings of them.
Atr the same time I have tried to contact the Botanical Garden in Darmstadt (Germany), where I once got a cutting of an adult plant. As soon I can manage to get photos of their adult plant, I will send them to the forum.
Helmut Reisenberger
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> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: "Harry Luther"
> Gesendet: 03.07.08 17:40:10
> An: "Discussion of aroids"
> Betreff: Re: [Aroid-l] Monstera tenuis in cultivation.
> Ive checked our records and the greenhouse benches, I can find no records of Monstera tenuis. Mike Madison had quite a collection of Monstera taxa but when he left in 1983 most of his collection was distributed to whoever wanted it. At this same time I was faced with a 3200 sq ft loss of growing space so the loss of a few big aroids wasnt one of my top concerns. We do maintain a synoptic collection of Araceae but because we have no one on staff working with the family its down to ca 800 sq feet of greenhouse bench space. Over the years Ive heard all kinds of stories that we no longer have aroids. Visitors know otherwise. HEL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com
> [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com]On Behalf Of ju-bo at msn.com
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 5:41 AM
> To: Discussion of aroids
> Subject: [Aroid-l] Monstera tenuis in cultivation.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
> > Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:39:12 -0700
> > From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com
> > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com
> > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Monstera propergation
>
> Dear All, especially Leland,
>
> Aloha.
> From reading the old note by Craig Phillips, he says that he has seen only two specimens of Monstera tenuis in cultivation, and the one location he does mention is at Selby Gardens! Perhaps our mutual friend Harry Luther can investigate and let us know if this plant still exists there, and if so in what condition? By the way, it is one of the Monsteras which has a pinnatifid leaf blade.
> If this species is so very difficult/impossible to grow from cuttings, and IF it is still in Selby`s collection as an adult plant, and IF it blooms, I`d GUESS that, like my M. deliciosa, it produces large seeds, and seeds = plants!
> You see what a ''leap of faith'' I take here! Maybe Harry can investigate this angle and let us know???
> Another possibility is to learn it`s range in the wild, and try for seeds from there. We know it occurs in Costa Rica, as that is where Craig made his collection of cuttings. I wonder what it`s range is in that general area, if if perhaps it extends into Guatemala??
>
>
> Aloha,
>
> Julius
>
>
>
> > Dear all...especially Julius,
> >
> > Aloha...and good to hear from you.
> >
> > I knew you would know about Craig Phillip's article...what a computer for a brain. My data retrieval is slowing down.
> >
> > So, the big question. Does anyone out there grow Monstera tenuis? It is a beautiful species....very desireable.
> >
> > Aloha,
> >
> > Leland
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 6/21/08, ju-bo at msn.com wrote:
> >
> > > From: ju-bo at msn.com
> > > Subject: [Aroid-l] Monstera propergation
> > > To: "Discussion of aroids"
> > > Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 3:41 AM
> > > ----------------------------------------
> > > > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:56:03 -0700
> > > > From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com
> > > > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Monstera question..
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Sherry, Leland and Jason,
> > >
> > > From reading about some of the Monstera species, some are
> > > almost or actually impossible to root from cuttings.
> > > Craig Phillips, now no longer with us, wrote a note in
> > > Aroideana Vol. 12 called "The Thing That Wouldn`t Die
> > > (or grow either)''. It was on the Costa Rican
> > > species M. tenuis . He collected a dozen or so cuttings in
> > > sun and shade in Costa Rica, being aware of how difficult
> > > they were to root and cultivate. One of his cuttings, the
> > > only ''survivor'', persisted for one and a
> > > half years before FINALLY rotting, so none survived or
> > > rooted, and he and his dear wife Fannie were
> > > ''master growers''. Craig comments that
> > > they grew, with no such problems, 16 other species of
> > > Monstera.
> > > I hope this of assistance.
> > >
> > > Julius
> > >
> > > > Dear Sherry,
> > > >
> > > > Aloha.
> > > >
> > > > I do not know much about Monstera species
> > > taxonomy...except that there are many species that are
> > > deserving of cultivation. I use Monstera deliciosa in
> > > copius amounts in landscaping. I know nothing of the
> > > variegated forms...although I do see many of them.
> > > Regarding Monstera pertusa, it is a valid name. I have
> > > seen so-called Dwarf Monstera and an intermediate sized
> > > Monstera species...but never in flower. There are some
> > > Raphidophora species that look like dwarf Monstera
> > > vegetatively. Hopefully someone out there can add to this
> > > discussion as I am very interested in this subject myself.
> > > >
> > > > I used to correspond with Craig Phillips on Monstera
> > > before he passed away. Are there other Monstera
> > > enthusiasts out there? I am very interested in growing
> > > Monstera punctulata from Panama and Costa Rica. I do not
> > > know if others have this problem, but some Monstera are
> > > very difficult to root from cuttings. I suspect Monstera
> > > punctulata is one of these. Craig and I used to discuss
> > > this problem...they sit and dry or rot. This is highly
> > > unexpected when you see the vigorous plants...I have tried
> > > juvenile and mature stems at multiple times. I am not the
> > > best horticulturist, but I can slice and dice Monstera
> > > delisiosa in efforts at eradication and they root.
> > > >
> > > > Aloha,
> > > >
> > > > Leland
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 6/20/08, Sherry Gates
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: Sherry Gates
> > > > > Subject: [Aroid-l] Monstera question..
> > > > > To: "AroidSendMessage"
> > >
> > > > > Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 4:24 AM
> > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > Is the M. deliciosa the large form and the M.
> > > pertusa the
> > > > > smaller form? I've seen both names used on
> > > both types,
> > > > > whether variegated or not. I've had a couple
> > > of people
> > > > > ask me the difference and after looking around,
> > > to try to
> > > > > make sure I have accurate information, I ended up
> > > uncertain
> > > > > myself. I have the green/white lg. leaf type, the
> > > > > green/yellow lg. leaf type, and the green/white
> > > smaller
> > > > > leaf type. Also, is there a variegation pattern
> > > of some
> > > > > sort that could help identify the difference
> > > between albo
> > > > > variegata Monstera from the 'Thai
> > > Constellation'?
> > > > > Thanks for any information you can give,
> > > > > Sherry
> > > > >
> > > > >
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From: gartenbaureisenberger at web.de (Helmut Reisenberger) on 2008.07.13 at 23:59:28(18139)
Dear Harry, Leyland, Julius....
My last posting unfortunately failed with the attatched pictures. So I try again. The picts show my efforts to grow Monstera tenuis, of which I had got cuttings with adult leaves about five years ago.
Helmut Reisenberger
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> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: "Harry Luther"
> Gesendet: 03.07.08 17:40:10
> An: "Discussion of aroids"
> Betreff: Re: [Aroid-l] Monstera tenuis in cultivation.
> Ive checked our records and the greenhouse benches, I can find no records of Monstera tenuis. Mike Madison had quite a collection of Monstera taxa but when he left in 1983 most of his collection was distributed to whoever wanted it. At this same time I was faced with a 3200 sq ft loss of growing space so the loss of a few big aroids wasnt one of my top concerns. We do maintain a synoptic collection of Araceae but because we have no one on staff working with the family its down to ca 800 sq feet of greenhouse bench space. Over the years Ive heard all kinds of stories that we no longer have aroids. Visitors know otherwise. HEL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com
> [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com]On Behalf Of ju-bo at msn.com
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 5:41 AM
> To: Discussion of aroids
> Subject: [Aroid-l] Monstera tenuis in cultivation.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
> > Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:39:12 -0700
> > From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com
> > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com
> > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Monstera propergation
>
> Dear All, especially Leland,
>
> Aloha.
> From reading the old note by Craig Phillips, he says that he has seen only two specimens of Monstera tenuis in cultivation, and the one location he does mention is at Selby Gardens! Perhaps our mutual friend Harry Luther can investigate and let us know if this plant still exists there, and if so in what condition? By the way, it is one of the Monsteras which has a pinnatifid leaf blade.
> If this species is so very difficult/impossible to grow from cuttings, and IF it is still in Selby`s collection as an adult plant, and IF it blooms, I`d GUESS that, like my M. deliciosa, it produces large seeds, and seeds = plants!
> You see what a ''leap of faith'' I take here! Maybe Harry can investigate this angle and let us know???
> Another possibility is to learn it`s range in the wild, and try for seeds from there. We know it occurs in Costa Rica, as that is where Craig made his collection of cuttings. I wonder what it`s range is in that general area, if if perhaps it extends into Guatemala??
>
>
> Aloha,
>
> Julius
>
>
>
> > Dear all...especially Julius,
> >
> > Aloha...and good to hear from you.
> >
> > I knew you would know about Craig Phillip's article...what a computer for a brain. My data retrieval is slowing down.
> >
> > So, the big question. Does anyone out there grow Monstera tenuis? It is a beautiful species....very desireable.
> >
> > Aloha,
> >
> > Leland
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 6/21/08, ju-bo at msn.com wrote:
> >
> > > From: ju-bo at msn.com
> > > Subject: [Aroid-l] Monstera propergation
> > > To: "Discussion of aroids"
> > > Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 3:41 AM
> > > ----------------------------------------
> > > > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:56:03 -0700
> > > > From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com
> > > > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Monstera question..
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Sherry, Leland and Jason,
> > >
> > > From reading about some of the Monstera species, some are
> > > almost or actually impossible to root from cuttings.
> > > Craig Phillips, now no longer with us, wrote a note in
> > > Aroideana Vol. 12 called "The Thing That Wouldn`t Die
> > > (or grow either)''. It was on the Costa Rican
> > > species M. tenuis . He collected a dozen or so cuttings in
> > > sun and shade in Costa Rica, being aware of how difficult
> > > they were to root and cultivate. One of his cuttings, the
> > > only ''survivor'', persisted for one and a
> > > half years before FINALLY rotting, so none survived or
> > > rooted, and he and his dear wife Fannie were
> > > ''master growers''. Craig comments that
> > > they grew, with no such problems, 16 other species of
> > > Monstera.
> > > I hope this of assistance.
> > >
> > > Julius
> > >
> > > > Dear Sherry,
> > > >
> > > > Aloha.
> > > >
> > > > I do not know much about Monstera species
> > > taxonomy...except that there are many species that are
> > > deserving of cultivation. I use Monstera deliciosa in
> > > copius amounts in landscaping. I know nothing of the
> > > variegated forms...although I do see many of them.
> > > Regarding Monstera pertusa, it is a valid name. I have
> > > seen so-called Dwarf Monstera and an intermediate sized
> > > Monstera species...but never in flower. There are some
> > > Raphidophora species that look like dwarf Monstera
> > > vegetatively. Hopefully someone out there can add to this
> > > discussion as I am very interested in this subject myself.
> > > >
> > > > I used to correspond with Craig Phillips on Monstera
> > > before he passed away. Are there other Monstera
> > > enthusiasts out there? I am very interested in growing
> > > Monstera punctulata from Panama and Costa Rica. I do not
> > > know if others have this problem, but some Monstera are
> > > very difficult to root from cuttings. I suspect Monstera
> > > punctulata is one of these. Craig and I used to discuss
> > > this problem...they sit and dry or rot. This is highly
> > > unexpected when you see the vigorous plants...I have tried
> > > juvenile and mature stems at multiple times. I am not the
> > > best horticulturist, but I can slice and dice Monstera
> > > delisiosa in efforts at eradication and they root.
> > > >
> > > > Aloha,
> > > >
> > > > Leland
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 6/20/08, Sherry Gates
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: Sherry Gates
> > > > > Subject: [Aroid-l] Monstera question..
> > > > > To: "AroidSendMessage"
> > >
> > > > > Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 4:24 AM
> > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > Is the M. deliciosa the large form and the M.
> > > pertusa the
> > > > > smaller form? I've seen both names used on
> > > both types,
> > > > > whether variegated or not. I've had a couple
> > > of people
> > > > > ask me the difference and after looking around,
> > > to try to
> > > > > make sure I have accurate information, I ended up
> > > uncertain
> > > > > myself. I have the green/white lg. leaf type, the
> > > > > green/yellow lg. leaf type, and the green/white
> > > smaller
> > > > > leaf type. Also, is there a variegation pattern
> > > of some
> > > > > sort that could help identify the difference
> > > between albo
> > > > > variegata Monstera from the 'Thai
> > > Constellation'?
> > > > > Thanks for any information you can give,
> > > > > Sherry
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > TheTropix at msn.com_______________________________________________
> > > > > Aroid-L mailing list
> > > > > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
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