Plant variation,

From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2008.06.27 at 22:18:07(17987) I don't think it is any "secret" on this forum that I get a lot of expert help writing the material I attempt to create for collectors via my website. We (I say we because a lot of people helped with this one) put up a new article on the website this week and I hope some of the newer members of Aroid l will find this one beneficial. Dr. Croat sends me answers to my unending questions, sometimes daily. But so do Leland Miyano, Julius Boos and a lot of the regulars on Aroid l. Those of you who have joined this forum in the past year likely are not aware of the expertise we all are allowed to read every time a new set of posts come out. I have to include Pete Boyce in Singapore in that as well as several of the botanists and pollination researchers including Marc Gibernau in France, Simon Mayo in England, Alistair Hay in Australia and several in South America. not all answer all the time but when they do they always send in answers but almost never tell you about their professional backgrounds! I personally consider Julius and Leland at the top of the list of my non botanist aroid pros researchers. But there are many more and if I try to list everyone I'll obviously leave some out! Aroid l is without question the best place to learn about aroids other than the journals many of these experts publish. When you ask a question it is highly likely one of these experts will give you the correct answer. And by the way, I'm not a expert or a botanist! I'm a collector just like all of you. I've been working for close to a year, perhaps longer, trying to understand variation within plant species. The subject can be tricky and I sometimes see posts on this forum (such as the ones on plants that are truly variations (synonyms) of Monstera species. That is why I've elected to post this link now. If you are new to aroids I hope this will answer some of your questions. I've learned more from all the people who help me compile my website information than I'll ever be able to express. And I must include Aroid l regular Russ Hammer who owns an enormous aroid collection in Central Florida. Russ edits almost all my work and rarely gets any credit! And by the way, if you haven't joined the International Aroid Society, please consider doing so now! You'll get more bang for your buck from the IAS than any "plant club". The information on the IAS website is verified and accurate. use it! Dr. Croat just told me he can't find any technical errors in this one so I'm comfortable in hoping you will find it useful. Remember, this page is a collective work, not something I sat down and created! Lots of people who know much more about aroids than i ever will answered my ceaseless questions. Hopefully, I creditd them all and this will answer some of your questions. The article is entitled Natural variation within Plant species. Every leaf does not have to look alike! http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Natural%20variation%20within%20aroid%20and%20%20plant%20species.html Steve Lucas +More www.ExoticRainforest.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080627/8c445f2e/attachment-0001.htm

From: botanist at malesiana.com (Peter Boyce) on 2008.06.28 at 09:09:11(17993) Hi Steve, One very small point, I live in the eral jungles of East Malaysia, not the concrete jungle of Singapore! Very best Pete +More ----- Original Message ----- From: ExoticRainforest To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 6:18 AM Subject: [Aroid-l] Plant variation,this might help with some of the Monstera questions. I don't think it is any "secret" on this forum that I get a lot of expert help writing the material I attempt to create for collectors via my website. We (I say we because a lot of people helped with this one) put up a new article on the website this week and I hope some of the newer members of Aroid l will find this one beneficial. Dr. Croat sends me answers to my unending questions, sometimes daily. But so do Leland Miyano, Julius Boos and a lot of the regulars on Aroid l. Those of you who have joined this forum in the past year likely are not aware of the expertise we all are allowed to read every time a new set of posts come out. I have to include Pete Boyce in Singapore in that as well as several of the botanists and pollination researchers including Marc Gibernau in France, Simon Mayo in England, Alistair Hay in Australia and several in South America. not all answer all the time but when they do they always send in answers but almost never tell you about their professional backgrounds! I personally consider Julius and Leland at the top of the list of my non botanist aroid pros researchers. But there are many more and if I try to list everyone I'll obviously leave some out! Aroid l is without question the best place to learn about aroids other than the journals many of these experts publish. When you ask a question it is highly likely one of these experts will give you the correct answer. And by the way, I'm not a expert or a botanist! I'm a collector just like all of you. I've been working for close to a year, perhaps longer, trying to understand variation within plant species. The subject can be tricky and I sometimes see posts on this forum (such as the ones on plants that are truly variations (synonyms) of Monstera species. That is why I've elected to post this link now. If you are new to aroids I hope this will answer some of your questions. I've learned more from all the people who help me compile my website information than I'll ever be able to express. And I must include Aroid l regular Russ Hammer who owns an enormous aroid collection in Central Florida. Russ edits almost all my work and rarely gets any credit! And by the way, if you haven't joined the International Aroid Society, please consider doing so now! You'll get more bang for your buck from the IAS than any "plant club". The information on the IAS website is verified and accurate. use it! Dr. Croat just told me he can't find any technical errors in this one so I'm comfortable in hoping you will find it useful. Remember, this page is a collective work, not something I sat down and created! Lots of people who know much more about aroids than i ever will answered my ceaseless questions. Hopefully, I creditd them all and this will answer some of your questions. The article is entitled Natural variation within Plant species. Every leaf does not have to look alike! http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Natural%20variation%20within%20aroid%20and%20%20plant%20species.html Steve Lucas www.ExoticRainforest.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080628/c8ecb926/attachment-0001.htm

From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2008.06.29 at 11:48:39(17999) You told me that once Pete. But if I say "jungles of east Malaysia" who is going to know how to find you? I've been to Singapore twice and at least I could ask you to meet me on Orchard Blvd. at the McDonald's or Burger King or better yet one of the incredible restaurants for a Singapore Sling! Maybe we can do that some time? And Singapore is certainly a concrete jungle, but the cleanest I've ever seen! Thanks for making that clear! Steve +More Hi Steve, One very small point, I live in the eral jungles of East Malaysia, not the concrete jungle of Singapore! Very best Pete -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080629/29b01492/attachment-0001.htm

From: botanist at malesiana.com (Peter Boyce) on 2008.06.29 at 21:32:07(18008) Hi Steve, Ahha... but we could just as easily meet in and around Kuching for dien bien ngu (fish broth with rice pancake) at Foody Goody, or bak kueh (rice sticks with spiced pork and black fungus) at BDC.... :) And yes, we can certainly do that some time... We both like Singapore for a visit but Sarawak is home :) +More ----- Original Message ----- From: ExoticRainforest To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:48 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] Plant variation,this might help with some of the Monstera questions. You told me that once Pete. But if I say "jungles of east Malaysia" who is going to know how to find you? I've been to Singapore twice and at least I could ask you to meet me on Orchard Blvd. at the McDonald's or Burger King or better yet one of the incredible restaurants for a Singapore Sling! Maybe we can do that some time? And Singapore is certainly a concrete jungle, but the cleanest I've ever seen! Thanks for making that clear! Steve Hi Steve, One very small point, I live in the eral jungles of East Malaysia, not the concrete jungle of Singapore! Very best Pete ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080630/da6a587a/attachment-0001.htm

From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2008.06.30 at 15:39:37(18016) You're on my list Pete before I croak! Steve +More Hi Steve, Ahha... but we could just as easily meet in and around Kuching for dien bien ngu (fish broth with rice pancake) at Foody Goody, or bak kueh (rice sticks with spiced pork and black fungus) at BDC.... :) And yes, we can certainly do that some time... We both like Singapore for a visit but Sarawak is home :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080630/6e3ed151/attachment-0001.htm

From: criswick at spiceisle.com (criswick) on 2008.07.01 at 00:51:21(18024) Sounds a whole lot better than MacDonalds..... John. _____ +More From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Boyce Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 5:32 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Plant variation,this might help with some of the Monstera questions. Hi Steve, Ahha... but we could just as easily meet in and around Kuching for dien bien ngu (fish broth with rice pancake) at Foody Goody, or bak kueh (rice sticks with spiced pork and black fungus) at BDC.... :) And yes, we can certainly do that some time... We both like Singapore for a visit but Sarawak is home :) ----- Original Message ----- From: ExoticRainforest To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:48 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] Plant variation,this might help with some of the Monstera questions. You told me that once Pete. But if I say "jungles of east Malaysia" who is going to know how to find you? I've been to Singapore twice and at least I could ask you to meet me on Orchard Blvd. at the McDonald's or Burger King or better yet one of the incredible restaurants for a Singapore Sling! Maybe we can do that some time? And Singapore is certainly a concrete jungle, but the cleanest I've ever seen! Thanks for making that clear! Steve Hi Steve, One very small point, I live in the eral jungles of East Malaysia, not the concrete jungle of Singapore! Very best Pete _____ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080630/fe4ba7e6/attachment-0001.htm

From: botanist at malesiana.com (Peter Boyce) on 2008.07.01 at 06:56:28(18027) Hi Helmut, Fantastic, another westerner who loves foochow food! Tell me, do you like mee sua? With black chicken some more... Funnily enough, was just up from Skrang on the parallel Ai river just a few weeks back... no new fruits but some fabulous babi hutan with Etlingera flower buds and serai.... see you here soon I hope! Peter +More ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helmut Reisenberger" To: "Discussion of aroids" Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Plant variation, this might help with some of the Monstera questions. Hi Peter, This meal sounds familiar to me. We should meet at the bridge over the Skrang River, take a longboat up the river and then a six days walk to see friends in the longhouses on the way. Together with the Iban we should also try some some tree fruit (maybe also some so far unknown aroid fruits), which you only could find in a circle of twenty miles. I am sure, there is still a lot of hidden "jewels" to be found in the undergrowth. What a challange! See you in Kushing soon! Helmut > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "Peter Boyce" > Gesendet: 30.06.08 16:40:26 > An: "Discussion of aroids" > Betreff: Re: [Aroid-l] Plant variation, this might help with some of the > Monstera questions. Hi Steve, > > Ahha... but we could just as easily meet in and around Kuching for > dien bien ngu (fish broth with rice pancake) at Foody Goody, or bak > kueh (rice sticks with spiced pork and black fungus) at BDC.... :) > > And yes, we can certainly do that some time... > > We both like Singapore for a visit but Sarawak is home :) > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:*ExoticRainforest > *To:*Discussion of aroids > *Sent:* Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:48 PM > *Subject:* [Aroid-l] Plant variation,this might help with some of > the Monstera questions. > > You told me that once Pete. But if I say "jungles of east Malaysia" > who is going to know how to find you? I've been to Singapore twice > and at least I could ask you to meet me on Orchard Blvd. at the > McDonald's or Burger King or better yet one of the incredible > restaurants for a Singapore Sling! Maybe we can do that some time? > And Singapore is certainly a concrete jungle, but the cleanest I've > ever seen! > > Thanks for making that clear! > > Steve > > Hi Steve, > > One very small point, I live in the eral jungles of East Malaysia, > not the concrete jungle of Singapore! > > Very best > > Pete > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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