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  Aglaomena & Amerindian plants & Anoucha
From: Johannes Moonen <emeraldjunglevillage at wanadoo.fr> on 2010.11.01 at 12:30:27(21603)

Dear Eduardo & friends,

This plant in my collection in Guayana Francesca looks like the Aglaomena or Bognera in Santourys mail. I collected it locally but did not register where. I often collect plants on tourist trips but have not allways the time to write things down.

Dieffenbachia spec FG.

I think these Dieffenbachias on the coest of FG are also of Amerindian origin.

Detail of the same Dieffenbachia. They grow among other Amerindian plants like Caladiums etc.

At least a picture of Anoucha that went on our last Oiapogue expedition in September. She is a hunting victim, confiscated by IBAMA and given to our boatsman to raise. She is adorable.

have a nice day, tchao Joep

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From: santoury at aol.com on 2010.11.01 at 16:41:50(21607)

Hello
The first picture looks identical to my Aglaonema which has been identified as A. brevispathum hospitum.

The monkey is gorgeous - what type is she? Thank you for sharing! That Dieffenbachia is something else. I love it!

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From: "Tom Croat" <Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2010.11.02 at 02:25:38(21613)

Dear Joep:

I think that I have two
species in the Guianas if I am not misremembering. One of them is probably D.
spruceana or at least a very close relative.

Tom

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From: Peter Boyce <phymatarum at googlemail.com> on 2010.11.02 at 02:28:25(21614)

I agree. Exactly the same as I have seen in Thailand (where it
is wild on forested limestone escarpments) and in cultivation throughout
Malaysia where its tough constitution makes it very popular with the owners of
coffee shops to decorate their yards.
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From: Johannes Moonen <emeraldjunglevillage at wanadoo.fr> on 2010.11.02 at 10:23:45(21620)
Hi Jude & all,

Good to know it is Aglaomena brevispathum !

Dieffenbachia's are still a badly known group of Araceae.

I think there are real wild ones in the rainforest like D humilis.

But others, especially on the coastal area grow where Amerindians have lived and are likely culture plants that survived after the Arowaks? moved.

The monkey is a black spider monkey or kwata (Atelis paniscus).

It lives only in undisturbed rainforest, families of about 6 - 8 and is a very important seed disperser.

They are the most 'human' of the 8 species of monkeys in the Guianas. They have only 4 fingers (the thumb is missing) on the hands, but have a real finger on the end of the tail. The males have a strong territorial call, almost as loud as howler monkeys, but kwatas screem only during the day.

Back to aroids, tchao, Joep

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From: "Eduardo" <eduardo.goncalves at inhotim.org.br> on 2010.11.02 at 14:16:39(21622)

Dear Joep,

The Aglaonema you collected in the French Guiana trail is
probably Aglaonema brevispathum, another common species cultivated by Indians in
South America. Together with A. costata, the native but domesticated forms of Caladium
(specially of the C. picturatum group) and a few other plants, these species
are kept by Indians (or strongy Indian influenced communities) as special
plants and given as gifts to just married couples as a good-luck charms. Probably
these plants were brought by Chinese and Indians (from India) that came for
special jobs (like railways or mining activities) and spread by local people. Years
after, we find this weird things in the middle of “virgin”jungle in
South America!

Very best wishes,

Eduardo.

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From: Johannes Moonen <emeraldjunglevillage at wanadoo.fr> on 2010.11.03 at 10:44:44(21632)
Bom Dia Eduardo,

Indeed it is amazing how people carry plants around the globe.

Do you know the origin (and the name ?) of the fine Amerindian bambu that you find in the middle of the rainforest ? The french call them 'cambrouses'. From the air they are bright green places in the forest and they are without exeption old Amerindian settlements.

If you dig in the soil there (terra preta) you find pieces of potterie and in you are very lucky stone arrow points.

I wonder if this bambu is from Asia and brought to Amazonia (via Peru ?) in pre-colombian times ?

Sorry this is not about aroids...........have a nice day !

Joep

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From: Johannes Moonen <emeraldjunglevillage at wanadoo.fr> on 2010.11.03 at 11:25:23(21633)
Morning Tom,

I reconize four different Dieffenbachia's in FG:

1 D. humilis

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From: "Tom Croat" <Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2010.11.05 at 21:40:55(21638)
Dear Joep:

Do
you by chance have any images of species 1, 3 and 4? Do you have only one
species with maculate petioles?

Tom

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From: "Derek Burch" <derek at horticulturist.com> on 2010.11.10 at 13:52:08(21646)
Hi Joep and Tom and Eduardo, Great
article here for Aroideana. Perhaps Jay in Central America
to expand the coverage a bit (is the situation similar or are there interesting
differences …?) Derek

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From: "Tom Croat" <Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2010.11.10 at 17:10:24(21647)
Dear Joep:

Do you by chance have any images of species 1, 3 and 4? Do you have only
one species with maculate petioles?

Tom

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