Aglaonema with yellow flowers

From: Jason Hernandez <jason.hernandez74 at yahoo.com> on 2019.10.24 at 19:11:09(24257) That is worth noting. I just did a Google image search for Aglaonema Chocolate, and none of the pictures had flowers. Which means that I don't know if yellow is typical of this cultivar or not. It might be worth investigating the nature of the pigment in the leaves that creates the chocolate color: in plants, proanthocyanidin creates the brown, beige, or tan colors; whereas yellow is either carotenoid or a flavonoid. Are these flowers a clear yellow, or is it more of a brownish yellow? The latter would suggest that the leaf pigment is also in the flowers; the former would suggest a different explanation. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 8:24 AM, aroid-l-request@www.gizmoworks.com HTML +More wrote: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 10:50:11 -0400 From: The Silent Seed Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Photos of Z. zamiifolia seeds To: Discussion of aroids Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This is fascinating stuff, to me, anyway. It's too bad that almost nobody is on here any longer. I wonder why. Speaking along the lines of flowers, I noticed my Aglaonema "Chocolate" are flowering and the flowers are yellow. What a surprise that was. Nice change from the usual white. ------=_Part_1724149_160492265.1571944269718-- --==============W90741251479738633==

From: Russ <bluesea14808 at yahoo.com> on 2019.10.29 at 05:05:20(24267) I have a couple of decent size plants of Chocolate, I'll check for flowers tomorrow. Pretty sure they flowered before but didn't notice the color. Russ HTML +More Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 10:23 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: Hi guys, Sorry for the delayed response - I finally got a picture of the Aglaonema 'Chocolate' flower. The yellow doesn't come through very well on the camera with the lighting, but they are more of a creamy yellow than white. On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 3:21 PM Jason Hernandez wrote: That is worth noting. I just did a Google image search for Aglaonema Chocolate, and none of the pictures had flowers. Which means that I don't know if yellow is typical of this cultivar or not. It might be worth investigating the nature of the pigment in the leaves that creates the chocolate color: in plants, proanthocyanidin creates the brown, beige, or tan colors; whereas yellow is either carotenoid or a flavonoid. Are these flowers a clear yellow, or is it more of a brownish yellow? The latter would suggest that the leaf pigment is also in the flowers; the former would suggest a different explanation. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 8:24 AM, aroid-l-request@www.gizmoworks.com wrote: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 10:50:11 -0400 From: The Silent Seed Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Photos of Z. zamiifolia seeds To: Discussion of aroids Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This is fascinating stuff, to me, anyway. It's too bad that almost nobody is on here any longer. I wonder why. Speaking along the lines of flowers, I noticed my Aglaonema "Chocolate" are flowering and the flowers are yellow. What a surprise that was. Nice change from the usual white. _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l ------=_Part_1595557_1935899448.1572325520844-- ------=_Part_1595558_1719471027.1572325521346

From: The Silent Seed <tylus.seklos at gmail.com> on 2019.10.29 at 01:59:03(24268) Hi guys, Sorry for the delayed response - I finally got a picture of the Aglaonema 'Chocolate' flower. The yellow doesn't come through very well on the camera with the lighting, but they are more of a creamy yellow than white. HTML +More On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 3:21 PM Jason Hernandez wrote: That is worth noting. I just did a Google image search for Aglaonema Chocolate, and none of the pictures had flowers. Which means that I don't know if yellow is typical of this cultivar or not. It might be worth investigating the nature of the pigment in the leaves that creates the chocolate color: in plants, proanthocyanidin creates the brown, beige, or tan colors; whereas yellow is either carotenoid or a flavonoid. Are these flowers a clear yellow, or is it more of a brownish yellow? The latter would suggest that the leaf pigment is also in the flowers; the former would suggest a different explanation. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 8:24 AM, aroid-l-request@www.gizmoworks.com wrote: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 10:50:11 -0400 From: The Silent Seed Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Photos of Z. zamiifolia seeds To: Discussion of aroids Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This is fascinating stuff, to me, anyway. It's too bad that almost nobody is on here any longer. I wonder why. Speaking along the lines of flowers, I noticed my Aglaonema "Chocolate" are flowering and the flowers are yellow. What a surprise that was. Nice change from the usual white. _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com --00000000000015cc05059602f860-- --00000000000015cc06059602f861

From: The Silent Seed <tylus.seklos at gmail.com> on 2019.10.29 at 13:51:20(24269) Sounds good, Russ! On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:48 AM Russ wrote: I have a couple of decent size plants of Chocolate, I'll check for flowers tomorrow. Pretty sure they flowered before but didn't notice the color. Russ HTML +More Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 10:23 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: Hi guys, Sorry for the delayed response - I finally got a picture of the Aglaonema 'Chocolate' flower. The yellow doesn't come through very well on the camera with the lighting, but they are more of a creamy yellow than white. On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 3:21 PM Jason Hernandez wrote: That is worth noting. I just did a Google image search for Aglaonema Chocolate, and none of the pictures had flowers. Which means that I don't know if yellow is typical of this cultivar or not. It might be worth investigating the nature of the pigment in the leaves that creates the chocolate color: in plants, proanthocyanidin creates the brown, beige, or tan colors; whereas yellow is either carotenoid or a flavonoid. Are these flowers a clear yellow, or is it more of a brownish yellow? The latter would suggest that the leaf pigment is also in the flowers; the former would suggest a different explanation. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 8:24 AM, aroid-l-request@www.gizmoworks.com wrote: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 10:50:11 -0400 From: The Silent Seed Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Photos of Z. zamiifolia seeds To: Discussion of aroids Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This is fascinating stuff, to me, anyway. It's too bad that almost nobody is on here any longer. I wonder why. Speaking along the lines of flowers, I noticed my Aglaonema "Chocolate" are flowering and the flowers are yellow. What a surprise that was. Nice change from the usual white. _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com --000000000000670fb305960ceb1d-- --==============73981953653951231==

From: Russ <bluesea14808 at yahoo.com> on 2019.10.29 at 18:57:33(24270) Here are pics. I backed inflorescence with white paper for comparison, it's definitely a yellowish color. Russ HTML +More On Tuesday, October 29, 2019, 10:28:40 AM EDT, The Silent Seed wrote: Sounds good, Russ! On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:48 AM Russ wrote: I have a couple of decent size plants of Chocolate, I'll check for flowers tomorrow. Pretty sure they flowered before but didn't notice the color. Russ Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 10:23 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: Hi guys, Sorry for the delayed response - I finally got a picture of the Aglaonema 'Chocolate' flower. The yellow doesn't come through very well on the camera with the lighting, but they are more of a creamy yellow than white. On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 3:21 PM Jason Hernandez wrote: That is worth noting. I just did a Google image search for Aglaonema Chocolate, and none of the pictures had flowers. Which means that I don't know if yellow is typical of this cultivar or not. It might be worth investigating the nature of the pigment in the leaves that creates the chocolate color: in plants, proanthocyanidin creates the brown, beige, or tan colors; whereas yellow is either carotenoid or a flavonoid. Are these flowers a clear yellow, or is it more of a brownish yellow? The latter would suggest that the leaf pigment is also in the flowers; the former would suggest a different explanation. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 8:24 AM, aroid-l-request@www.gizmoworks.com wrote: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 10:50:11 -0400 From: The Silent Seed Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Photos of Z. zamiifolia seeds To: Discussion of aroids Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This is fascinating stuff, to me, anyway. It's too bad that almost nobody is on here any longer. I wonder why. Speaking along the lines of flowers, I noticed my Aglaonema "Chocolate" are flowering and the flowers are yellow. What a surprise that was. Nice change from the usual white. _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l ------=_Part_1791475_1132394983.1572375453169-- ------=_Part_1791476_695613121.1572375453624

From: kenneth wall <nnoice at msn.com> on 2019.10.30 at 12:44:01(24271) (File Type Not Recognized: attachments/191030060201-1.png) (File Type Not Recognized: attachments/191030060201-2.png) (File Type Not Recognized: attachments/191030060201-3.png) This looks like the cultivar called 'Pride of sumatra' a rotundum hybrid From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com on behalf of Russ Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 2:57 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aglaonema with yellow flowers Here are pics. I backed inflorescence with white paper for comparison, it's definitely a yellowish color. Russ HTML +More On Tuesday, October 29, 2019, 10:28:40 AM EDT, The Silent Seed wrote: Sounds good, Russ! On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:48 AM Russ wrote: I have a couple of decent size plants of Chocolate, I'll check for flowers tomorrow. Pretty sure they flowered before but didn't notice the color. Russ Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 10:23 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: Hi guys, Sorry for the delayed response - I finally got a picture of the Aglaonema 'Chocolate' flower. The yellow doesn't come through very well on the camera with the lighting, but they are more of a creamy yellow than white. On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 3:21 PM Jason Hernandez wrote: That is worth noting. I just did a Google image search for Aglaonema Chocolate, and none of the pictures had flowers. Which means that I don't know if yellow is typical of this cultivar or not. It might be worth investigating the nature of the pigment in the leaves that creates the chocolate color: in plants, proanthocyanidin creates the brown, beige, or tan colors; whereas yellow is either carotenoid or a flavonoid. Are these flowers a clear yellow, or is it more of a brownish yellow? The latter would suggest that the leaf pigment is also in the flowers; the former would suggest a different explanation. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 8:24 AM, aroid-l-request@www.gizmoworks.com wrote: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 10:50:11 -0400 From: The Silent Seed Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Photos of Z. zamiifolia seeds To: Discussion of aroids Message-ID:

From: Russ <bluesea14808 at yahoo.com> on 2019.10.30 at 14:57:05(24272) (File Type Not Recognized: attachments/191030080201-2.png) (File Type Not Recognized: attachments/191030080201-3.png) (File Type Not Recognized: attachments/191030080201-4.png) Kenneth, I agree that it's very similar. Pride of Sumatra is one of the early rotundum hybrids, I never owned one but recall it from many, many years ago. I recently acquired so-called Chocolate and have no comparison other than pictures. Googling images, there are some that look identical, others have more green in the leaves which is the one I remember. Some ags are variable within groups of the same named cultivar, Pride of Sumatra is obviously one of them. So you could be absolutely right and I wouldn't be surprised if Chocolate is just a renaming of Pride of Sumatra. Look at the hugely popular Siam Aurora, also called Red Aglaonema, Crete, Creta, Red Sumatra, etc, etc. While some ag cultivars are variable, I'm astounded by the stability of Siam Aurora. I see entire display tables full of them at BB stores and they're always the same. I did come across an unnamed ag this summer that is obviously a sport of Siam Aurora where the reds were replaced with pink. A single plant among 6 gave it's identity away by having a quarter-size patch of Siam Aurora coloration on a leaf. This pink one is a bit feminine for my taste but quite pretty. Below is another unnamed one I found recently. Russ HTML +More On Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 09:59:25 AM EDT, kenneth wall wrote: This looks like the cultivar called 'Pride of sumatra' a rotundum hybrid From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com on behalf of Russ Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 2:57 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aglaonema with yellow flowers Here are pics. I backed inflorescence with white paper for comparison, it's definitely a yellowish color. Russ On Tuesday, October 29, 2019, 10:28:40 AM EDT, The Silent Seed wrote: Sounds good, Russ! On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:48 AM Russ wrote: I have a couple of decent size plants of Chocolate, I'll check for flowers tomorrow. Pretty sure they flowered before but didn't notice the color. Russ Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 10:23 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: Hi guys, Sorry for the delayed response - I finally got a picture of the Aglaonema 'Chocolate' flower. The yellow doesn't come through very well on the camera with the lighting, but they are more of a creamy yellow than white. On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 3:21 PM Jason Hernandez wrote: That is worth noting. I just did a Google image search for Aglaonema Chocolate, and none of the pictures had flowers. Which means that I don't know if yellow is typical of this cultivar or not. It might be worth investigating the nature of the pigment in the leaves that creates the chocolate color: in plants, proanthocyanidin creates the brown, beige, or tan colors; whereas yellow is either carotenoid or a flavonoid. Are these flowers a clear yellow, or is it more of a brownish yellow? The latter would suggest that the leaf pigment is also in the flowers; the former would suggest a different explanation. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 8:24 AM, aroid-l-request@www.gizmoworks.com wrote: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 10:50:11 -0400 From: The Silent Seed Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Photos of Z. zamiifolia seeds To: Discussion of aroids Message-ID:

From: The Silent Seed <tylus.seklos at gmail.com> on 2019.10.30 at 12:50:28(24273) Cool, Russ, thank you for sharing. I was really surprised when I saw the flowers. This one also happens to be my fastest growing Aglaonema. On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 6:29 PM Russ wrote: Here are pics. I backed inflorescence with white paper for comparison, it's definitely a yellowish color. Russ HTML +More On Tuesday, October 29, 2019, 10:28:40 AM EDT, The Silent Seed wrote: Sounds good, Russ! On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:48 AM Russ wrote: I have a couple of decent size plants of Chocolate, I'll check for flowers tomorrow. Pretty sure they flowered before but didn't notice the color. Russ Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 10:23 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: Hi guys, Sorry for the delayed response - I finally got a picture of the Aglaonema 'Chocolate' flower. The yellow doesn't come through very well on the camera with the lighting, but they are more of a creamy yellow than white. On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 3:21 PM Jason Hernandez wrote: That is worth noting. I just did a Google image search for Aglaonema Chocolate, and none of the pictures had flowers. Which means that I don't know if yellow is typical of this cultivar or not. It might be worth investigating the nature of the pigment in the leaves that creates the chocolate color: in plants, proanthocyanidin creates the brown, beige, or tan colors; whereas yellow is either carotenoid or a flavonoid. Are these flowers a clear yellow, or is it more of a brownish yellow? The latter would suggest that the leaf pigment is also in the flowers; the former would suggest a different explanation. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 8:24 AM, aroid-l-request@www.gizmoworks.com wrote: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 10:50:11 -0400 From: The Silent Seed Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Photos of Z. zamiifolia seeds To: Discussion of aroids Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This is fascinating stuff, to me, anyway. It's too bad that almost nobody is on here any longer. I wonder why. Speaking along the lines of flowers, I noticed my Aglaonema "Chocolate" are flowering and the flowers are yellow. What a surprise that was. Nice change from the usual white. _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com --000000000000932b7c0596202f0b-- --000000000000932b7e0596202f0c

From: kenneth wall <nnoice at msn.com> on 2019.10.30 at 23:09:26(24274) (File Type Not Recognized: attachments/191030184701-1.png) (File Type Not Recognized: attachments/191030184701-2.png) (File Type Not Recognized: attachments/191030184701-3.png) Russ Thats funny Russ , I just passed by a bunch of Siam Aurora and spotted one beauty out of 30 or so that had some nice red pups coming up and couldn't resist . There are bound to be some nice varients showing up when something is chopped up enough in tissue culture ,hope your Pink selection will hold up and turn out nice ! HTML +More From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com on behalf of Russ Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:57 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aglaonema with yellow flowers Kenneth, I agree that it's very similar. Pride of Sumatra is one of the early rotundum hybrids, I never owned one but recall it from many, many years ago. I recently acquired so-called Chocolate and have no comparison other than pictures. Googling images, there are some that look identical, others have more green in the leaves which is the one I remember. Some ags are variable within groups of the same named cultivar, Pride of Sumatra is obviously one of them. So you could be absolutely right and I wouldn't be surprised if Chocolate is just a renaming of Pride of Sumatra. Look at the hugely popular Siam Aurora, also called Red Aglaonema, Crete, Creta, Red Sumatra, etc, etc. While some ag cultivars are variable, I'm astounded by the stability of Siam Aurora. I see entire display tables full of them at BB stores and they're always the same. I did come across an unnamed ag this summer that is obviously a sport of Siam Aurora where the reds were replaced with pink. A single plant among 6 gave it's identity away by having a quarter-size patch of Siam Aurora coloration on a leaf. This pink one is a bit feminine for my taste but quite pretty. Below is another unnamed one I found recently. Russ On Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 09:59:25 AM EDT, kenneth wall wrote: This looks like the cultivar called 'Pride of sumatra' a rotundum hybrid From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com on behalf of Russ Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 2:57 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aglaonema with yellow flowers Here are pics. I backed inflorescence with white paper for comparison, it's definitely a yellowish color. Russ On Tuesday, October 29, 2019, 10:28:40 AM EDT, The Silent Seed wrote: Sounds good, Russ! On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:48 AM Russ wrote: I have a couple of decent size plants of Chocolate, I'll check for flowers tomorrow. Pretty sure they flowered before but didn't notice the color. Russ Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 10:23 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: Hi guys, Sorry for the delayed response - I finally got a picture of the Aglaonema 'Chocolate' flower. The yellow doesn't come through very well on the camera with the lighting, but they are more of a creamy yellow than white. On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 3:21 PM Jason Hernandez wrote: That is worth noting. I just did a Google image search for Aglaonema Chocolate, and none of the pictures had flowers. Which means that I don't know if yellow is typical of this cultivar or not. It might be worth investigating the nature of the pigment in the leaves that creates the chocolate color: in plants, proanthocyanidin creates the brown, beige, or tan colors; whereas yellow is either carotenoid or a flavonoid. Are these flowers a clear yellow, or is it more of a brownish yellow? The latter would suggest that the leaf pigment is also in the flowers; the former would suggest a different explanation. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 8:24 AM, aroid-l-request@www.gizmoworks.com wrote: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 10:50:11 -0400 From: The Silent Seed Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Photos of Z. zamiifolia seeds To: Discussion of aroids Message-ID:

From: Russ <bluesea14808 at yahoo.com> on 2019.10.31 at 02:46:58(24275) (File Type Not Recognized: attachments/191030211702-4.png) (File Type Not Recognized: attachments/191030211702-5.png) (File Type Not Recognized: attachments/191030211702-6.png) Kenneth, there were 6 pots of the pink-colored Siam Aurora with multiple plants, the spot of red coloring was on one leaf of a single plant. So this pink one is being tissue cultured and marketed, just not to the scale of Siam Aurora. It appears to be a stable cultivar. I've seen Siam Aurora at Home Depot in pots around 3 gallon size that were VERY tall and bushy, at least 2 feet. I was stunned at the height when I saw them. I've attached 3 ag pics below, first two are of heirloom Moonglow, perhaps my favorite aglaonema. 3rd is of a sport of mine from A. Cassandra. I have a very large collection, always looking for one more but especially species and heirloom hybrids from the 50s thru the 80s. Russ HTML +More On Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 09:39:18 PM EDT, kenneth wall wrote: Russ Thats funny Russ , I just passed by a bunch of Siam Aurora and spotted one beauty out of 30 or so that had some nice red pups coming up and couldn't resist . There are bound to be some nice varients showing up when something is chopped up enough in tissue culture ,hope your Pink selection will hold up and turn out nice ! From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com on behalf of Russ Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:57 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aglaonema with yellow flowers Kenneth, I agree that it's very similar. Pride of Sumatra is one of the early rotundum hybrids, I never owned one but recall it from many, many years ago. I recently acquired so-called Chocolate and have no comparison other than pictures. Googling images, there are some that look identical, others have more green in the leaves which is the one I remember. Some ags are variable within groups of the same named cultivar, Pride of Sumatra is obviously one of them. So you could be absolutely right and I wouldn't be surprised if Chocolate is just a renaming of Pride of Sumatra. Look at the hugely popular Siam Aurora, also called Red Aglaonema, Crete, Creta, Red Sumatra, etc, etc. While some ag cultivars are variable, I'm astounded by the stability of Siam Aurora. I see entire display tables full of them at BB stores and they're always the same. I did come across an unnamed ag this summer that is obviously a sport of Siam Aurora where the reds were replaced with pink. A single plant among 6 gave it's identity away by having a quarter-size patch of Siam Aurora coloration on a leaf. This pink one is a bit feminine for my taste but quite pretty. Below is another unnamed one I found recently. Russ On Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 09:59:25 AM EDT, kenneth wall wrote: This looks like the cultivar called 'Pride of sumatra' a rotundum hybrid From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com on behalf of Russ Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 2:57 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aglaonema with yellow flowers Here are pics. I backed inflorescence with white paper for comparison, it's definitely a yellowish color. Russ On Tuesday, October 29, 2019, 10:28:40 AM EDT, The Silent Seed wrote: Sounds good, Russ! On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:48 AM Russ wrote: I have a couple of decent size plants of Chocolate, I'll check for flowers tomorrow. Pretty sure they flowered before but didn't notice the color. Russ Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 10:23 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: Hi guys, Sorry for the delayed response - I finally got a picture of the Aglaonema 'Chocolate' flower. The yellow doesn't come through very well on the camera with the lighting, but they are more of a creamy yellow than white. On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 3:21 PM Jason Hernandez wrote: That is worth noting. I just did a Google image search for Aglaonema Chocolate, and none of the pictures had flowers. Which means that I don't know if yellow is typical of this cultivar or not. It might be worth investigating the nature of the pigment in the leaves that creates the chocolate color: in plants, proanthocyanidin creates the brown, beige, or tan colors; whereas yellow is either carotenoid or a flavonoid. Are these flowers a clear yellow, or is it more of a brownish yellow? The latter would suggest that the leaf pigment is also in the flowers; the former would suggest a different explanation. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 8:24 AM, aroid-l-request@www.gizmoworks.com wrote: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 10:50:11 -0400 From: The Silent Seed Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Photos of Z. zamiifolia seeds To: Discussion of aroids Message-ID:

From: The Silent Seed <tylus.seklos at gmail.com> on 2019.10.31 at 15:03:44(24276) Russ, That Aglaonema with 3 or 4 different colors (including white) is absolutely stunning! Thank you for sharing these pictures! HTML +More On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 11:46 PM Russ wrote: Kenneth, there were 6 pots of the pink-colored Siam Aurora with multiple plants, the spot of red coloring was on one leaf of a single plant. So this pink one is being tissue cultured and marketed, just not to the scale of Siam Aurora. It appears to be a stable cultivar. I've seen Siam Aurora at Home Depot in pots around 3 gallon size that were VERY tall and bushy, at least 2 feet. I was stunned at the height when I saw them. I've attached 3 ag pics below, first two are of heirloom Moonglow, perhaps my favorite aglaonema. 3rd is of a sport of mine from A. Cassandra. I have a very large collection, always looking for one more but especially species and heirloom hybrids from the 50s thru the 80s. Russ On Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 09:39:18 PM EDT, kenneth wall wrote: Russ Thats funny Russ , I just passed by a bunch of Siam Aurora and spotted one beauty out of 30 or so that had some nice red pups coming up and couldn't resist . There are bound to be some nice varients showing up when something is chopped up enough in tissue culture ,hope your Pink selection will hold up and turn out nice ! From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com on behalf of Russ Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:57 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aglaonema with yellow flowers Kenneth, I agree that it's very similar. Pride of Sumatra is one of the early rotundum hybrids, I never owned one but recall it from many, many years ago. I recently acquired so-called Chocolate and have no comparison other than pictures. Googling images, there are some that look identical, others have more green in the leaves which is the one I remember. Some ags are variable within groups of the same named cultivar, Pride of Sumatra is obviously one of them. So you could be absolutely right and I wouldn't be surprised if Chocolate is just a renaming of Pride of Sumatra. Look at the hugely popular Siam Aurora, also called Red Aglaonema, Crete, Creta, Red Sumatra, etc, etc. While some ag cultivars are variable, I'm astounded by the stability of Siam Aurora. I see entire display tables full of them at BB stores and they're always the same. I did come across an unnamed ag this summer that is obviously a sport of Siam Aurora where the reds were replaced with pink. A single plant among 6 gave it's identity away by having a quarter-size patch of Siam Aurora coloration on a leaf. This pink one is a bit feminine for my taste but quite pretty. Below is another unnamed one I found recently. Russ On Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 09:59:25 AM EDT, kenneth wall wrote: This looks like the cultivar called 'Pride of sumatra' a rotundum hybrid From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com on behalf of Russ Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 2:57 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aglaonema with yellow flowers Here are pics. I backed inflorescence with white paper for comparison, it's definitely a yellowish color. Russ On Tuesday, October 29, 2019, 10:28:40 AM EDT, The Silent Seed wrote: Sounds good, Russ! On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:48 AM Russ wrote: I have a couple of decent size plants of Chocolate, I'll check for flowers tomorrow. Pretty sure they flowered before but didn't notice the color. Russ Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 10:23 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: Hi guys, Sorry for the delayed response - I finally got a picture of the Aglaonema 'Chocolate' flower. The yellow doesn't come through very well on the camera with the lighting, but they are more of a creamy yellow than white. On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 3:21 PM Jason Hernandez wrote: That is worth noting. I just did a Google image search for Aglaonema Chocolate, and none of the pictures had flowers. Which means that I don't know if yellow is typical of this cultivar or not. It might be worth investigating the nature of the pigment in the leaves that creates the chocolate color: in plants, proanthocyanidin creates the brown, beige, or tan colors; whereas yellow is either carotenoid or a flavonoid. Are these flowers a clear yellow, or is it more of a brownish yellow? The latter would suggest that the leaf pigment is also in the flowers; the former would suggest a different explanation. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 8:24 AM, aroid-l-request@www.gizmoworks.com wrote: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 10:50:11 -0400 From: The Silent Seed Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Photos of Z. zamiifolia seeds To: Discussion of aroids Message-ID:

From: kenneth wall <nnoice at msn.com> on 2019.10.31 at 16:45:31(24277) (File Type Not Recognized: attachments/191031100201-1.png) (File Type Not Recognized: attachments/191031100201-2.png) (File Type Not Recognized: attachments/191031100201-3.png) Russ, That Cassandra sport is very nice find indeed ! How bout that Moonglow , never heard of it , does it hold many leaves , how tall does it get? I'm looking for Alumina and that Alumina Armandii clone myself . I did see some of those very large auroras at a Walmart this year too bad they were in such rough shape . HTML +More From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com on behalf of Russ Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:46 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aglaonema with yellow flowers Kenneth, there were 6 pots of the pink-colored Siam Aurora with multiple plants, the spot of red coloring was on one leaf of a single plant. So this pink one is being tissue cultured and marketed, just not to the scale of Siam Aurora. It appears to be a stable cultivar. I've seen Siam Aurora at Home Depot in pots around 3 gallon size that were VERY tall and bushy, at least 2 feet. I was stunned at the height when I saw them. I've attached 3 ag pics below, first two are of heirloom Moonglow, perhaps my favorite aglaonema. 3rd is of a sport of mine from A. Cassandra. I have a very large collection, always looking for one more but especially species and heirloom hybrids from the 50s thru the 80s. Russ On Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 09:39:18 PM EDT, kenneth wall wrote: Russ Thats funny Russ , I just passed by a bunch of Siam Aurora and spotted one beauty out of 30 or so that had some nice red pups coming up and couldn't resist . There are bound to be some nice varients showing up when something is chopped up enough in tissue culture ,hope your Pink selection will hold up and turn out nice ! From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com on behalf of Russ Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:57 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aglaonema with yellow flowers Kenneth, I agree that it's very similar. Pride of Sumatra is one of the early rotundum hybrids, I never owned one but recall it from many, many years ago. I recently acquired so-called Chocolate and have no comparison other than pictures. Googling images, there are some that look identical, others have more green in the leaves which is the one I remember. Some ags are variable within groups of the same named cultivar, Pride of Sumatra is obviously one of them. So you could be absolutely right and I wouldn't be surprised if Chocolate is just a renaming of Pride of Sumatra. Look at the hugely popular Siam Aurora, also called Red Aglaonema, Crete, Creta, Red Sumatra, etc, etc. While some ag cultivars are variable, I'm astounded by the stability of Siam Aurora. I see entire display tables full of them at BB stores and they're always the same. I did come across an unnamed ag this summer that is obviously a sport of Siam Aurora where the reds were replaced with pink. A single plant among 6 gave it's identity away by having a quarter-size patch of Siam Aurora coloration on a leaf. This pink one is a bit feminine for my taste but quite pretty. Below is another unnamed one I found recently. Russ On Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 09:59:25 AM EDT, kenneth wall wrote: This looks like the cultivar called 'Pride of sumatra' a rotundum hybrid From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com on behalf of Russ Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 2:57 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aglaonema with yellow flowers Here are pics. I backed inflorescence with white paper for comparison, it's definitely a yellowish color. Russ On Tuesday, October 29, 2019, 10:28:40 AM EDT, The Silent Seed wrote: Sounds good, Russ! On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:48 AM Russ wrote: I have a couple of decent size plants of Chocolate, I'll check for flowers tomorrow. Pretty sure they flowered before but didn't notice the color. Russ Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 10:23 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: Hi guys, Sorry for the delayed response - I finally got a picture of the Aglaonema 'Chocolate' flower. The yellow doesn't come through very well on the camera with the lighting, but they are more of a creamy yellow than white. On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 3:21 PM Jason Hernandez wrote: That is worth noting. I just did a Google image search for Aglaonema Chocolate, and none of the pictures had flowers. Which means that I don't know if yellow is typical of this cultivar or not. It might be worth investigating the nature of the pigment in the leaves that creates the chocolate color: in plants, proanthocyanidin creates the brown, beige, or tan colors; whereas yellow is either carotenoid or a flavonoid. Are these flowers a clear yellow, or is it more of a brownish yellow? The latter would suggest that the leaf pigment is also in the flowers; the former would suggest a different explanation. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 8:24 AM, aroid-l-request@www.gizmoworks.com wrote: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 10:50:11 -0400 From: The Silent Seed Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Photos of Z. zamiifolia seeds To: Discussion of aroids Message-ID:

From: Rosalind Gold <rozgold at pacbell.net> on 2019.11.02 at 20:36:05(24278) (File Type Not Recognized: attachments/191102134701-1.png) (File Type Not Recognized: attachments/191102134701-2.png) (File Type Not Recognized: attachments/191102134701-3.png) Dear Kenneth, Russ and Jude: HTML +More I'm a bit of a lurker on this list, because I'm somewhat of a novice aroid grower. However, I love aglaonemas, and I'm delighted to see you all talking about them, because I really want to learn more about them. I have about 15 hybrids and one species, but I don't know anything about the history of their hybridizing - I think there was a mention of cultivars between 1950 and 1980 - and I'd also like to learn about the hybridizing or other efforts that led to the introduction of the pink and red-leafed variegated hybrids that I remember were once considered extremely rare. I grow in a Los Angeles apartment, so it's not perfect for many aglaonemas - but it's still seems to work just fine for the ones I have. I've seen that Frank Brown wrote a book in 2000 about aglaonemas - but it appears to be out of print. I'm wondering if you've seen any other publications that talk about the history of the horticulture of aglaonemas. I'm less interested in botanical articles about trips to find aglaonemas in the wild. Thanks so much in advance -- -Rosalind, in Los Angeles On Thursday, October 31, 2019, 10:27:01 AM PDT, kenneth wall wrote: Russ, That Cassandra sport is very nice find indeed ! How bout that Moonglow , never heard of it , does it hold many leaves , how tall does it get? I'm looking for Alumina and that Alumina Armandii clone myself . I did see some of those very large auroras at a Walmart this year too bad they were in such rough shape . From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com on behalf of Russ Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:46 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aglaonema with yellow flowers Kenneth, there were 6 pots of the pink-colored Siam Aurora with multiple plants, the spot of red coloring was on one leaf of a single plant. So this pink one is being tissue cultured and marketed, just not to the scale of Siam Aurora. It appears to be a stable cultivar. I've seen Siam Aurora at Home Depot in pots around 3 gallon size that were VERY tall and bushy, at least 2 feet. I was stunned at the height when I saw them. I've attached 3 ag pics below, first two are of heirloom Moonglow, perhaps my favorite aglaonema. 3rd is of a sport of mine from A. Cassandra. I have a very large collection, always looking for one more but especially species and heirloom hybrids from the 50s thru the 80s. Russ On Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 09:39:18 PM EDT, kenneth wall wrote: Russ Thats funny Russ , I just passed by a bunch of Siam Aurora and spotted one beauty out of 30 or so that had some nice red pups coming up and couldn't resist . There are bound to be some nice varients showing up when something is chopped up enough in tissue culture ,hope your Pink selection will hold up and turn out nice ! From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com on behalf of Russ Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:57 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aglaonema with yellow flowers Kenneth, I agree that it's very similar. Pride of Sumatra is one of the early rotundum hybrids, I never owned one but recall it from many, many years ago. I recently acquired so-called Chocolate and have no comparison other than pictures. Googling images, there are some that look identical, others have more green in the leaves which is the one I remember. Some ags are variable within groups of the same named cultivar, Pride of Sumatra is obviously one of them. So you could be absolutely right and I wouldn't be surprised if Chocolate is just a renaming of Pride of Sumatra. Look at the hugely popular Siam Aurora, also called Red Aglaonema, Crete, Creta, Red Sumatra, etc, etc. While some ag cultivars are variable, I'm astounded by the stability of Siam Aurora. I see entire display tables full of them at BB stores and they're always the same. I did come across an unnamed ag this summer that is obviously a sport of Siam Aurora where the reds were replaced with pink. A single plant among 6 gave it's identity away by having a quarter-size patch of Siam Aurora coloration on a leaf. This pink one is a bit feminine for my taste but quite pretty. Below is another unnamed one I found recently. Russ On Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 09:59:25 AM EDT, kenneth wall wrote: This looks like the cultivar called 'Pride of sumatra' a rotundum hybrid From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com on behalf of Russ Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 2:57 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aglaonema with yellow flowers Here are pics. I backed inflorescence with white paper for comparison, it's definitely a yellowish color. Russ On Tuesday, October 29, 2019, 10:28:40 AM EDT, The Silent Seed wrote: Sounds good, Russ! On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:48 AM Russ wrote: I have a couple of decent size plants of Chocolate, I'll check for flowers tomorrow. Pretty sure they flowered before but didn't notice the color. Russ Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 10:23 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: Hi guys, Sorry for the delayed response - I finally got a picture of the Aglaonema 'Chocolate' flower. The yellow doesn't come through very well on the camera with the lighting, but they are more of a creamy yellow than white. On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 3:21 PM Jason Hernandez wrote: That is worth noting. I just did a Google image search for Aglaonema Chocolate, and none of the pictures had flowers. Which means that I don't know if yellow is typical of this cultivar or not. It might be worth investigating the nature of the pigment in the leaves that creates the chocolate color: in plants, proanthocyanidin creates the brown, beige, or tan colors; whereas yellow is either carotenoid or a flavonoid. Are these flowers a clear yellow, or is it more of a brownish yellow? The latter would suggest that the leaf pigment is also in the flowers; the former would suggest a different explanation. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 8:24 AM, aroid-l-request@www.gizmoworks.com wrote: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 10:50:11 -0400 From: The Silent Seed Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Photos of Z. zamiifolia seeds To: Discussion of aroids Message-ID:

From: kenneth wall <nnoice at msn.com> on 2019.11.03 at 01:02:45(24279) (File Type Not Recognized: attachments/191102203201-1.png) (File Type Not Recognized: attachments/191102203201-2.png) (File Type Not Recognized: attachments/191102203201-3.png) Welcome Rosalind Sounds like you really need Dr.Browns book 'The Amazing Aglaonema' , it used to be available thru Valkeria gardens though I don't see it there or anywhere for that matter. The Red colors certainly come from A.Rotundum native to Sumatra ,I'm not sure which species or hybrid contributes the pink petioles. Actually your apartment can be great for many Aglaonemas , take a look at the varieties listed at http://www.morningdewtropical.com many of these grow well indoors . I've always had good luck growing them under flourescent cool spectrum lights inside . I grew a fantastic notoriously difficult Pictum tri- color this way and only killed it when I tried to grow in my greenhouse -go figure. HTML +More From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com on behalf of Rosalind Gold Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2019 4:36 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aglaonema with yellow flowers Dear Kenneth, Russ and Jude: I'm a bit of a lurker on this list, because I'm somewhat of a novice aroid grower. However, I love aglaonemas, and I'm delighted to see you all talking about them, because I really want to learn more about them. I have about 15 hybrids and one species, but I don't know anything about the history of their hybridizing - I think there was a mention of cultivars between 1950 and 1980 - and I'd also like to learn about the hybridizing or other efforts that led to the introduction of the pink and red-leafed variegated hybrids that I remember were once considered extremely rare. I grow in a Los Angeles apartment, so it's not perfect for many aglaonemas - but it's still seems to work just fine for the ones I have. I've seen that Frank Brown wrote a book in 2000 about aglaonemas - but it appears to be out of print. I'm wondering if you've seen any other publications that talk about the history of the horticulture of aglaonemas. I'm less interested in botanical articles about trips to find aglaonemas in the wild. Thanks so much in advance -- -Rosalind, in Los Angeles On Thursday, October 31, 2019, 10:27:01 AM PDT, kenneth wall wrote: Russ, That Cassandra sport is very nice find indeed ! How bout that Moonglow , never heard of it , does it hold many leaves , how tall does it get? I'm looking for Alumina and that Alumina Armandii clone myself . I did see some of those very large auroras at a Walmart this year too bad they were in such rough shape . From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com on behalf of Russ Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:46 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aglaonema with yellow flowers Kenneth, there were 6 pots of the pink-colored Siam Aurora with multiple plants, the spot of red coloring was on one leaf of a single plant. So this pink one is being tissue cultured and marketed, just not to the scale of Siam Aurora. It appears to be a stable cultivar. I've seen Siam Aurora at Home Depot in pots around 3 gallon size that were VERY tall and bushy, at least 2 feet. I was stunned at the height when I saw them. I've attached 3 ag pics below, first two are of heirloom Moonglow, perhaps my favorite aglaonema. 3rd is of a sport of mine from A. Cassandra. I have a very large collection, always looking for one more but especially species and heirloom hybrids from the 50s thru the 80s. Russ On Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 09:39:18 PM EDT, kenneth wall wrote: Russ Thats funny Russ , I just passed by a bunch of Siam Aurora and spotted one beauty out of 30 or so that had some nice red pups coming up and couldn't resist . There are bound to be some nice varients showing up when something is chopped up enough in tissue culture ,hope your Pink selection will hold up and turn out nice ! From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com on behalf of Russ Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:57 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aglaonema with yellow flowers Kenneth, I agree that it's very similar. Pride of Sumatra is one of the early rotundum hybrids, I never owned one but recall it from many, many years ago. I recently acquired so-called Chocolate and have no comparison other than pictures. Googling images, there are some that look identical, others have more green in the leaves which is the one I remember. Some ags are variable within groups of the same named cultivar, Pride of Sumatra is obviously one of them. So you could be absolutely right and I wouldn't be surprised if Chocolate is just a renaming of Pride of Sumatra. Look at the hugely popular Siam Aurora, also called Red Aglaonema, Crete, Creta, Red Sumatra, etc, etc. While some ag cultivars are variable, I'm astounded by the stability of Siam Aurora. I see entire display tables full of them at BB stores and they're always the same. I did come across an unnamed ag this summer that is obviously a sport of Siam Aurora where the reds were replaced with pink. A single plant among 6 gave it's identity away by having a quarter-size patch of Siam Aurora coloration on a leaf. This pink one is a bit feminine for my taste but quite pretty. Below is another unnamed one I found recently. Russ On Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 09:59:25 AM EDT, kenneth wall wrote: This looks like the cultivar called 'Pride of sumatra' a rotundum hybrid From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com on behalf of Russ Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 2:57 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aglaonema with yellow flowers Here are pics. I backed inflorescence with white paper for comparison, it's definitely a yellowish color. Russ On Tuesday, October 29, 2019, 10:28:40 AM EDT, The Silent Seed wrote: Sounds good, Russ! On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:48 AM Russ wrote: I have a couple of decent size plants of Chocolate, I'll check for flowers tomorrow. Pretty sure they flowered before but didn't notice the color. Russ Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 10:23 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: Hi guys, Sorry for the delayed response - I finally got a picture of the Aglaonema 'Chocolate' flower. The yellow doesn't come through very well on the camera with the lighting, but they are more of a creamy yellow than white. On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 3:21 PM Jason Hernandez wrote: That is worth noting. I just did a Google image search for Aglaonema Chocolate, and none of the pictures had flowers. Which means that I don't know if yellow is typical of this cultivar or not. It might be worth investigating the nature of the pigment in the leaves that creates the chocolate color: in plants, proanthocyanidin creates the brown, beige, or tan colors; whereas yellow is either carotenoid or a flavonoid. Are these flowers a clear yellow, or is it more of a brownish yellow? The latter would suggest that the leaf pigment is also in the flowers; the former would suggest a different explanation. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 8:24 AM, aroid-l-request@www.gizmoworks.com wrote: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 10:50:11 -0400 From: The Silent Seed Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Photos of Z. zamiifolia seeds To: Discussion of aroids Message-ID:

From: The Silent Seed <tylus.seklos at gmail.com> on 2019.11.03 at 00:17:31(24280) (File Type Not Recognized: attachments/191102210201-3.png) Nice to see you "back" Rosalind! Aglaonemas are such a rabbit hole that I've been resisting... but it's not easy! HTML +More On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 8:14 PM Rosalind Gold wrote: Dear Kenneth, Russ and Jude: I'm a bit of a lurker on this list, because I'm somewhat of a novice aroid grower. However, I love aglaonemas, and I'm delighted to see you all talking about them, because I really want to learn more about them. I have about 15 hybrids and one species, but I don't know anything about the history of their hybridizing - I think there was a mention of cultivars between 1950 and 1980 - and I'd also like to learn about the hybridizing or other efforts that led to the introduction of the pink and red-leafed variegated hybrids that I remember were once considered extremely rare. I grow in a Los Angeles apartment, so it's not perfect for many aglaonemas - but it's still seems to work just fine for the ones I have. I've seen that Frank Brown wrote a book in 2000 about aglaonemas - but it appears to be out of print. I'm wondering if you've seen any other publications that talk about the history of the horticulture of aglaonemas. I'm less interested in botanical articles about trips to find aglaonemas in the wild. Thanks so much in advance -- -Rosalind, in Los Angeles On Thursday, October 31, 2019, 10:27:01 AM PDT, kenneth wall wrote: Russ, That Cassandra sport is very nice find indeed ! How bout that Moonglow , never heard of it , does it hold many leaves , how tall does it get? I'm looking for Alumina and that Alumina Armandii clone myself . I did see some of those very large auroras at a Walmart this year too bad they were in such rough shape . From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com on behalf of Russ Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:46 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aglaonema with yellow flowers Kenneth, there were 6 pots of the pink-colored Siam Aurora with multiple plants, the spot of red coloring was on one leaf of a single plant. So this pink one is being tissue cultured and marketed, just not to the scale of Siam Aurora. It appears to be a stable cultivar. I've seen Siam Aurora at Home Depot in pots around 3 gallon size that were VERY tall and bushy, at least 2 feet. I was stunned at the height when I saw them. I've attached 3 ag pics below, first two are of heirloom Moonglow, perhaps my favorite aglaonema. 3rd is of a sport of mine from A. Cassandra. I have a very large collection, always looking for one more but especially species and heirloom hybrids from the 50s thru the 80s. Russ On Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 09:39:18 PM EDT, kenneth wall wrote: Russ Thats funny Russ , I just passed by a bunch of Siam Aurora and spotted one beauty out of 30 or so that had some nice red pups coming up and couldn't resist . There are bound to be some nice varients showing up when something is chopped up enough in tissue culture ,hope your Pink selection will hold up and turn out nice ! From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com on behalf of Russ Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:57 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aglaonema with yellow flowers Kenneth, I agree that it's very similar. Pride of Sumatra is one of the early rotundum hybrids, I never owned one but recall it from many, many years ago. I recently acquired so-called Chocolate and have no comparison other than pictures. Googling images, there are some that look identical, others have more green in the leaves which is the one I remember. Some ags are variable within groups of the same named cultivar, Pride of Sumatra is obviously one of them. So you could be absolutely right and I wouldn't be surprised if Chocolate is just a renaming of Pride of Sumatra. Look at the hugely popular Siam Aurora, also called Red Aglaonema, Crete, Creta, Red Sumatra, etc, etc. While some ag cultivars are variable, I'm astounded by the stability of Siam Aurora. I see entire display tables full of them at BB stores and they're always the same. I did come across an unnamed ag this summer that is obviously a sport of Siam Aurora where the reds were replaced with pink. A single plant among 6 gave it's identity away by having a quarter-size patch of Siam Aurora coloration on a leaf. This pink one is a bit feminine for my taste but quite pretty. Below is another unnamed one I found recently. Russ On Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 09:59:25 AM EDT, kenneth wall wrote: This looks like the cultivar called 'Pride of sumatra' a rotundum hybrid From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com on behalf of Russ Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 2:57 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aglaonema with yellow flowers Here are pics. I backed inflorescence with white paper for comparison, it's definitely a yellowish color. Russ On Tuesday, October 29, 2019, 10:28:40 AM EDT, The Silent Seed wrote: Sounds good, Russ! On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:48 AM Russ wrote: I have a couple of decent size plants of Chocolate, I'll check for flowers tomorrow. Pretty sure they flowered before but didn't notice the color. Russ Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 10:23 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: Hi guys, Sorry for the delayed response - I finally got a picture of the Aglaonema 'Chocolate' flower. The yellow doesn't come through very well on the camera with the lighting, but they are more of a creamy yellow than white. On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 3:21 PM Jason Hernandez wrote: That is worth noting. I just did a Google image search for Aglaonema Chocolate, and none of the pictures had flowers. Which means that I don't know if yellow is typical of this cultivar or not. It might be worth investigating the nature of the pigment in the leaves that creates the chocolate color: in plants, proanthocyanidin creates the brown, beige, or tan colors; whereas yellow is either carotenoid or a flavonoid. Are these flowers a clear yellow, or is it more of a brownish yellow? The latter would suggest that the leaf pigment is also in the flowers; the former would suggest a different explanation. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 8:24 AM, aroid-l-request@www.gizmoworks.com wrote: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 10:50:11 -0400 From: The Silent Seed Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Photos of Z. zamiifolia seeds To: Discussion of aroids Message-ID:

From: Russ <bluesea14808 at yahoo.com> on 2019.11.03 at 17:01:12(24281) Hi Rosalind, You shouldn't be a lurker, every one of us here was a novice at one time. You get knowledge and feed your passion for plants by asking questions, and we usually have answers or at least opinions. I can help you, if you'd like to email me your address I will mail photocopies of whatever info I can find on history of ags. Just curious, which ags are you growing, do you have favorites, and are you looking for any particular ones? Russ HTML +More Bluesea14808@yahoo.com Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 5:09 PM, Rosalind Gold wrote: _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l ------=_Part_340931_1747777512.1572800472560-- ------=_Part_340932_1999475846.1572800472616

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