Monstera names

From: James Waddick <jwaddick at kc.rr.com> on 2019.12.13 at 06:12:57(24286) All HTML +More I have been getting more involved with a couple of Monstera species and I keep coming across names that seem not to have validity acccording to Kew’s The Plant List or Plants of the World. CAn anyone verify these names 1, borsigiana either as a species or subspecies of M. deliciosa ? It is tossed around as if it were associated with some dwarf growing plant form. 2. M. karstenianum AKA Monstera ‘Ex Peru’. This looks very unlike a Monstera species. Does anyone know if it is valid or what it might refer to specifically? Thanks and appreciate any input. Jim W. Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 --Apple-Mail=_A32CBB3F-1256-4E3A-851A-73D1BDE3F4F5-- --==============09538122248603435==

From: "D. Christopher Rogers" <branchiopod at gmail.com> on 2019.12.13 at 14:29:53(24287) Hiyer! Madison, in his revision of the genus (1977) lists Monstera borsigiana Engler, 1879 as a junior synonym of M. deliciosa Liebmann, 1849. I have no information on the other name. Good luck! Christopher HTML +More On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 at 00:20, James Waddick wrote: All I have been getting more involved with a couple of Monstera species and I keep coming across names that seem not to have validity acccording to Kew’s The Plant List or Plants of the World. CAn anyone verify these names 1, borsigiana either as a species or subspecies of M. deliciosa ? It is tossed around as if it were associated with some dwarf growing plant form. 2. M. karstenianum AKA Monstera ‘Ex Peru’. This looks very unlike a Monstera species. Does anyone know if it is valid or what it might refer to specifically? Thanks and appreciate any input. Jim W. Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- D. Christopher Rogers ((,///////////=======

From: Jason Hernandez <jason.hernandez74 at yahoo.com> on 2019.12.13 at 22:24:44(24288) Well, I did a bit of looking around, and on garden.org, in their Philodendrons, Elephant Ears, and Other Aroids Forum, there is a question about this species. I had to scroll down through the thread a bit, but then I came to someone called plantladylin, who wrote, "Wow, that is a really beautiful plant!!! According to the Catalogue of Life there is no Monstera species karstenianum or Monstera species peru but upon doing a bit of research, I found the correct name for it is Monstera siltepecana "The following comes from this page at The Exotic Rainforest website: https://www.exoticrainforest.c... "Monstera siltepecana: Sometimes sold incorrectly as Monstera pinnatipartita, "Monstera karstenianum", Monstera dobsoniana (invalid names) and other names including Philodendron karsteniana which is also an invalid name never published to science."" ...which brings us right back around to our own membership, I think... "The Exotic Rainforest" is a familiar-looking name :) Jason Hernandez HTML +More Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 00:12:57 -0600 From: James Waddick Subject: [Aroid-l] Monstera names To: Discussion of aroids Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" All I have been getting more involved with a couple of Monstera species and I keep coming across names that seem not to have validity acccording to Kew?s The Plant List or Plants of the World. CAn anyone verify these names 1, borsigiana either as a species or subspecies of M. deliciosa ? It is tossed around as if it were associated with some dwarf growing plant form. 2. M. karstenianum AKA Monstera ?Ex Peru?. This looks very unlike a Monstera species. Does anyone know if it is valid or what it might refer to specifically? Thanks and appreciate any input. Jim W. Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 ------=_Part_13267464_1068022548.1576275884176-- --==============Y50104058601460746==

From: James Waddick <jwaddick at kc.rr.com> on 2019.12.16 at 05:13:00(24293) Dear Christopher and Jason, HTML +More Many thanks for your research on these two synonyms. Glad to get reasonable names and verify my suspicions. I’d love to get a llink to more pictures of an the adult foliage of Monstera siltepecana. It looks like it is strongly cut leaf and well fenestrated. Appreciate the work and fst responses. Jim W. On Dec 13, 2019, at 4:24 PM, Jason Hernandez wrote: Well, I did a bit of looking around, and on garden.org, in their Philodendrons, Elephant Ears, and Other Aroids Forum, there is a question about this species. I had to scroll down through the thread a bit, but then I came to someone called plantladylin, who wrote, "Wow, that is a really beautiful plant!!! According to the Catalogue of Life there is no Monstera species karstenianum or Monstera species peru but upon doing a bit of research, I found the correct name for it is Monstera siltepecana "The following comes from this page at The Exotic Rainforest website: https://www.exoticrainforest.c... "Monstera siltepecana: Sometimes sold incorrectly as Monstera pinnatipartita, "Monstera karstenianum", Monstera dobsoniana (invalid names) and other names including Philodendron karsteniana which is also an invalid name never published to science."" ...which brings us right back around to our own membership, I think... "The Exotic Rainforest" is a familiar-looking name :) Jason Hernandez Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 00:12:57 -0600 From: James Waddick Subject: [Aroid-l] Monstera names To: Discussion of aroids Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" All I have been getting more involved with a couple of Monstera species and I keep coming across names that seem not to have validity acccording to Kew?s The Plant List or Plants of the World. CAn anyone verify these names 1, borsigiana either as a species or subspecies of M. deliciosa ? It is tossed around as if it were associated with some dwarf growing plant form. 2. M. karstenianum AKA Monstera ?Ex Peru?. This looks very unlike a Monstera species. Does anyone know if it is valid or what it might refer to specifically? Thanks and appreciate any input. Jim W. Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l Dr. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 --Apple-Mail=_920CF881-45BA-487B-B1FC-B14B368C9446-- --==============63487383777587836==

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