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  What happened to CATE-Araceae site?
From: Siddharth Naveenachandran <n.c.siddharth at gmail.com> on 2020.02.05 at 12:37:59(24313)
Hi All,

Does anyone know what happened to the
http://araceae.e-monocot.org/ site? It was my go to site for botanical descriptions and references. I mailed their helpdesk at enquiries@emonocot.org and it bounced back.

For those of you not aware of this site you can refer to this reference on it: http://www.aroid.org/aroideana/getarticle.php?key=MDM4NzEwNg==D

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Cheers

Sid

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From: Tom Croat <Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2020.02.05 at 19:49:32(24314)
Dear Sid:

The CATE site was completely abandoned by KEW and I am uncertain why. I think that it may have been closed for security reasons but I have also heard that it was a difficult site to maintain.
I remember Anna Haigh telling me that they were intending to come up with another format and she gave a talk about this in the Monocots Conference in New York. For me the greatest loss was that the CATE site was also where they housed the Lucid keys to both
Anthurium and Philodendron. I hope eventually to be able to come up with a similar interactive website, either through MO or the IAS website to make those keys, and others that I have developed, available to the public.

Tom

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From: Greg Ruckert <greg at alpacamanagement.com> on 2020.02.05 at 20:27:34(24315)
As one of the data inputers, problems started arising when the UK
Govt reduced funding to Kew. I stopped working at that point and
do not know what has happened since. A lot of hours went into the
project.

Greg

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From: Anna Haigh <aroidhaigh at gmail.com> on 2020.02.06 at 03:42:34(24316)
Dear Sid and all,

This site has recently gone down, and we are just looking into what the problem is. In the meantime, you can access it here: http://araceae-e--monocot-org.scratchpads.eu/

Unfortunately the eMonocot site which held the keys went a few years ago, some of the data from that site (minus the keys and some other stuff) is now on http://powo.science.kew.org/

But the site you first mention has a much richer data and we hope to keep it going in some form.

I hope this helps, and it is always good to hear that it is still used. It helps the case to keep it going, so many thanks!

All the best,

Anna

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From: Nils Weessies <nilsweessies at gmail.com> on 2020.02.06 at 04:01:35(24317)
Dear Anna,

Are the Lucid keys accessible online in any way? Many of the new world aroids here in botanical gardens in thd Netherlands are mis- or unlabeled.

Kind regards,

Nils

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From: Tom Croat <Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2020.02.09 at 09:58:30(24318)
Dear Nils:

I can answer this question. When Kew stopped supporting the CATE site originally, specifically the Lucid Keys, I adopted the keys and have been adding species to those keys for many years so
that for example we have added about a thousand species to the Anthurium key. So the existing CATE key would no longer be reliable at all. The problem is that most of the species are not yet published so the key has not yet been published.

Tom

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From: Nils Weessies <nilsweessies at gmail.com> on 2020.02.09 at 12:24:24(24319)
Dear Tom,

Thank you for your answer, I hope the key will one day be open-source, to make it easier for people like me to identify or describe species.

I still have the Anthurium seeds for you, please email me so I can send them to you. They seem to germinate easily but not all berries are fertile. The mucus around the seed seems to extra sticky when comparing to other Anthuriums.

Kind regards,

Nils

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From: Tom Croat <Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2020.02.09 at 20:07:58(24320)
Dear Nils:

You are certainly correct about this key being made available. Certainly this is my intention and I will probably put it up at least on the MO website if we can figure out how to make it happen
and workable. I would like to have it on the IAS website as well because it will attract more attention from avid aroid growers. It will also have free standing descriptions and images of all the species.

Do you need anything special to be able to send me seed. I would just put the seeds into a small padded envelope and mark it scientific materials-no commercial value. It is not likely to be intercepted.
Actually clean seed from cultivated sources is perfectly legal but if you did so indicate they actually might go for inspection and they are so inefficient that the seeds would die before they would be sent to me. So it would be better not to mark them as
seeds.

Tom

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From: <n.c.siddharth at gmail.com> on 2020.02.12 at 21:46:19(24321)
I see that my reply did not get posted for some reason.

Thank you Tom, Greg and Anna for your responses! The alternative link is certainly helpful and glad that it exists. Yes, we certainly use this site often especially with a lot of new species being introduced to the hobby these days thanks to the heightened interest in aroids in horticulture now. We find ourselves searching for botanical descriptions to substantiate the claims made by growers and sellers. Of course, it would help to have the full set of pictures/illustrations and commentary from the publication included in the emonocot site but I understand it will be a lot more overhead to what is already a cumbersome process, I am sure. We truly appreciate the existence of this site. 😊

I agree with Nils on having public access to the Lucid key. 😃

Thanks

Sid

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