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Date: Sunday, March 6, 2005 1:07 am
Subject: [Aroid-l] Administrivia: UCE blockers, and replys again
> Aroiders,
>
> Please pardon the non-aroid intrusion, and it's length.
>
> Replys: as mentioned (many times) before, Aroid-L is set such that
> if you just
> reply to a post, your reply goes not to the sender of that post,
> but to the
> list. We try to catch anything that goes to the list accidentally,
> but (a)
> we're not perfect, (b) sometimes it's hard to tell, and (c) this
> will cause a
> significant delay to your post. (If it's not clear in one quick
> glance that the
> post is meant for the whole list, then it has to wait until
> there's time to
> read it a few times, decide if it's personal, then figure out who
> it's intended
> for, try to find their e-mail address, and forward it on to them.
> Lately I
> don't have time to do all that but about once a week.) The
> incidence of such
> posts has gone up again lately, so it's time to repeat the mantra.
>
> UCE blockers: UCE, or "unsolicited commercial e-mail", is better
> known by the
> name of a well-known meat product which rhymes with "ham". (I'm
> avoiding the
> term because some people's blockers are set so over-sensitively
> that the word
> itself causes a message to be blocked.)
>
> Periodically we have a problem with someone who gets so fed up
> with UCE that
> they purchase one of several packages which use a "challenge-
> response" scheme -
> when you send them something, they don't get it. Instead, you get
> a message
> back asking you to go through some procedure to basically ensure
> that you are a
> real person and not a mass mailing program. I hate these programs;
> they, along
> with HTML postings and large attached files and simply
> inappropriate posts, are
> the banes of a listowner's existence.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I hate UCE. And I'll bet I get more of it than
> anyone on
> this list, between the hundreds of e-mails I get every day for
> myself, plus for
> Aroid-L, plus professionally, across a half-dozen e-mail addresses.
>
> The problem with these programs, from my standpoint, is that if
> someone on
> Aroid-L uses one of these programs, then - because posts from
> Aroid-L show up
> with the name of the actual sender - everyone who posts to the
> list winds up
> with this strange message from someone they may not even know
> asking them to go
> through some weird procedure so that the someone can receive e-
> mail from the
> poster. If you change e-mail addresses - as people do constantly -
> you'll be
> asked to do it again the next time you post. I've even seen 2
> people using such
> programs (from different vendors) get into a standoff, where both
> programs were
> requesting the other person to do something but neither person was
> aware of it
> because the other program's request had been blocked by their
> program.
>
> So, 2 things re UCE blockers: if you use one, then PLEASE read up
> on how to set
> it to accept all posts from any mailing lists you are on,
> regardless of the
> apparent sender. The information is in the e-mail headers, and you
> may have to
> read a little to find out how to do it, but the other list
> subscribers will
> appreciate it. Not just of Aroid-L, but of any mailing list you to
> which you
> belong. (Perhaps I should mention here that I have a strict policy
> - I never
> ever follow the directions in posts that appear to come from UCE
> blockers, for
> several reasons.)
>
> The other: I'm going to be experimenting with some list settings
> over the next
> day or two, to see if I can help this problem a little. Rather
> than seeing my
> name as the sender, for instance, you may see a generic term like
> "Aroid-L". If
> I decide to make any change permanent which seems likely to
> significantlyaffect what people see, I'll send out another
> administrivia post to let you all
> know.
>
> Again, sorry for the side trip.
>
> Steve
>
> -- Steve Marak
> -- samarak@gizmoworks.com
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