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From:
Eduardo
Goncalves
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 1:16
PM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] 'Santa
Leopoldina'-last comment
Dear guys, I am sorry for the loooooong
silence, even when my name appear in many postings on this topic. I have
been somewhat busy lately... Santa Leopoldina is a city in
Espirito Santo state (Southeastern Brazil) where the material was supposed
to be collected long time ago. For a weird reason, it seens that plants
from that area are proned to have long leaves. (Remember P. stenolobum was
also collected nearby). Since than, people have mentioned an
outstanding long leaf P. "Santa Leopoldina', but since you have many
species around with long leaves, the name started to be disputed.
Philodendron spiritus-sancti was collected originally in Domingos Martins
county (that is the just at the southwestern corner of Santa Leopoldina
county). George Bunting never mentioned the name Santa Leopoldina when
describing P. spiritus-sancti, but both names were associated further by
.......... . When I redescribed wild specimens of P.
spiritus-sancti, I reinforced that the only Philodendron "Santa
Leopoldina" formally described was this one. To me (as a taxonomist), only
formally published names are real names. It is true that other
morpho-species (to be named P. superbum as fast as we can obtain
wild-collected material of this) has been also associated with the toponym
Santa Leopoldina, maybe before any other material. However, Graf's books
are great for the horticulturist, but they are very far from being formal
in a taxonomic point of view. Since taxonomy is the only official
scientific way to deal with the plant diversity, Graf's opinion on
nomenclature is completely useless. I won't resist to cite that the
Amazonian Philodendron billietae and P. atabapoense, and even the southern
P. curvilobum have been named P. "Santa Leopoldina" too. This is the funny
side of life...A new law simply appeared: since most philos from Santa
Leopoldina have long leaves so every plant with long leaf should be from
Santa Leopoldina!!! Pretty smart! (LOL)My final word? Learn with your
experiences and use one of the mottos:1. Discussing popular names is
funny, but worthless. If you want something that comes closer to
unanbiguous nomenclature, ask you friend taxonomist to make a type
specimen and describe your new plant formally.2. If you think
Horticultural names should be free from "official" taxonomy, follow the
horticultural rules and register your cultivar.3. If you don't like
official rules (horticultural or taxonomic), call your plants as you want,
but don't bother to discuss it.4. If you are a plant collector and
like to have names in your plants, keep geographical information with
them. All the pain could be avoided if plants of the "old" P. Santa
Leopoldina had a geographical label on it. Right now, we are not 100% sure
that the old P. Santa Leopoldina came in fact from Santa Leopoldina.
Philodendron spiritus-sancti is the closer choice!!!!Be
happy,
Eduardo.Dr. Eduardo G. GoncalvesUniversidade Catolica de
BrasiliaCurso de Ciencias BiologicasSala M-206, QS 7, Lote 1,
EPTCCEP 72030-170, Taguatinga – DF,
BRAZIL.>From: "Julius Boos" >Reply-To: Discussion
of aroids >To:
aroid-l@gizmoworks.com>Subject:
Re: [Aroid-l] 'Santa Leopoldina'-last comment>Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007
03:48:41 +0000>>>>From : Bluesea >Reply-To :
Discussion of aroids >Sent
: Saturday, February 24, 2007 5:50 PM>To : Discussion of aroids >Subject
: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron 'Santa Leopoldina'>>>Well
put, well said, Russ, ESPECIALLY paragraph two! I am in total
>agreement, but wish the 'Santa Leopoldina' could just be diminished or
even >dropped, as has little or no 'legitimacy' since the publication
of P. >spiritus-sancti.>But I BET this does not put and end to
the 'debate'!! :--)>>Julius>>>>Based
on the photos I've seen of P. spiritus-sancti ('Santa Leopoldina')
>>>and all the other philodendrons erroneously called 'Santa
Leopoldina', >>>there can be no mistaking the real thing based on
the strikingly narrow >>>leaf blade length to width ratio.
To my mind the only philodendron that >>>can legitimately be
called 'Santa Leopoldina' is the one the Brazilian >>>locals have
endeared with this name for perhaps centuries. And that
>>>plant is P. spiritus-sancti.>>There is no
argument whatever to be made regarding 'first publishing >rights' of
the name 'Santa Leopoldina' since it is not a scientific name >under
the control of botanical nomenclature.>>In any case, those who
have labeled these various species and hybrids with >the name are in
error, including Graf. The name 'Santa Leopoldina' comes
>originally from the Brazilian people of the P. spiritus-sancti
habitat, >they coined it for this particular plant, so it cannot be
placed on any >other philodendron. I do understand there are a
couple of forms of >spiritus-sancti with minor physical differences,
such as reddish reverse. >But almost without exception, the
philodendrons being erroneously called >'Santa Leopoldina' have little
physical similarity to the real >spiritus-sancti, and can be dismissed
very easily.>>Russ>central
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