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From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com]
On Behalf Of brian lee
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:00 PM
To: Discussion of aroids
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] self heading Philodendron ID
Dear Eric,
Aloha. I agree with Julius on all counts.
Philodendron undulatum is very distinctive with
numerous, persistent, needle-like , half inch to three
quarter inch, intravaginal squamules on the stem. It
is very different from the plant I know as P.
eichleri.
Literature on Philodendron eichleri is as follows:
P. eicheri in Bot. Jahrb. 26 : 556 (1899); Krause in
Engler, Das Pflanzenreich 60 (IV. 23Db): 133 (1913).
Types: Brazil, Minas Gerais state, Carandai, cult.
Brazil, 15 Nov. 1887 at Quinta da Boa Vista, Rio de
Janeiro as no. 67, Glaziou 16503 (infl.,B!
syn.;sterile, P! isosyn.), Glaziou 17332, (sterile, B
syn. not seen; C! K! P! isosyn.).
If someone in virtual world has access to the original
description in Das Pflanzenreich to scan and
share...all of us can compare our plants and decide
what that taxon / hybrid is, within the confines of
the original intent. I have seen plants of
Philodendron labeled as eichleri...it is a massive
plant that has affinities to Philodendron speciosum.
The spathes are green with pink edges, and the stem
has light colored petiole scars...off hand I could not
tell you the nature of the intravaginal
squamules...but I can check in the next few
days....there is a large clump about a mile from me.
However, until I can compare the original description
and translate the German...it is impossible for me to
tell why Simon Mayo considered this a synonym of
Philodendron undulatum....perhaps what we consider
Philodendron eichleri is faulty or perhaps the
original description is vague and the type specimens
compare favorably with P. undulatum. Questions.
Aloha,
Leland
--- ju-bo at msn.com wrote:
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>
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> ----------------------------------------
> > Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 15:07:46 -0800
> > From: leu242 at yahoo.com
> > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com
> > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] self heading Philodendron
> ID
>
> Dear Eric,
>
> Thanks, please keep us informed as to any cold
> damage.
> First off, Abrimaal`s opinion is that this large
> plant is either P. xanadu or P. pinnatifidium, but
> it is deff. not either of these two species---P.
> xanadu is a substantially smaller plant with MANY
> differences, and P. pinnatifidium is NOT a
> Meconostigma and is a tropical species with many
> differences and so would not survive the cold where
> this plant is growing.
> (When in doubt, read the instructions! :--)!!
> In the most recent key to the plants in the
> Philodendron subgenus Meconostigma, in Aroideana
> Vol. 25 of 2002, Dr. Eduardo Goncalves lists 19
> ''good'' species in this subgenus, and P. eichlerii
> is not listed as one of them. I have seen a
> photograph of a plant that is pretty much a perfect
> match for Eric`s pic. in an old Exotica labeled as
> P. eichlerii, next to it or at least on the same
> page was P. X evansii.
> I will continue to ask around, but I am pretty
> certain that P. eichlerii is one of the old hybrids.
>
> I am familiar w/ P. undulatum, and this photo of
> Eric`s is certainly NOT P. undulatum, which is one
> of the smaller and compact-growing species of
> Meconostigma, and has very distinctive, long and
> thorn-like squamules surrounding the base of each
> petiole, persisting on the bare rhizome. It is the
> only Meconostigma sp. with these thorn-like
> squamules.
>
> The Best,
>
> Good Growing,
>
> Julius
>
> We only got down to 31F for an hour or so, so I
> doubt
> > the plants were bothered at all. Judging from the
> size
> > of the clump and age of the neighborhood they were
> > probably planted early to mid 1970's. They would
> have
> > survived the 3 big freezes in the 1980s, esp.
> 12/89
> > when there were 2 nights at 19-20F here. They
> probably
> > froze to the ground as a majority of the P.
> > bipinnatifidum and P. x evansii did at that time.
> >
> > I thought P. eichleri was a species not a hybrid.
> Kew
> > lists it as a synonum for P. undulatum.
> >
> > Eric
> > Orlando,FL z9b/10a
> >
> >
> > --- ju-bo at msn.com wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------
> > > > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 06:45:31 -0800
> > > > From: leu242 at yahoo.com
> > > > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] self heading
> Philodendron
> > > ID
> > >
> > > Dear Eric,
> > >
> > > After tossing your photo around, some buddys and
> I
> > > have come to the conclusion that the plants in
> > > question are P.X "Eichelrii" (pronounced
> Eck-ler-ii)
> > > which together with P. X "Evansii" are a couple
> of
> > > the OLD Meconostigma (self-heading) hybrids made
> > > back in the 50`s (?) and 60`s. Plants with
> this
> > > name are clearly pictured in old Exoticas. It
> must
> > > have great resistance to cold, and it would be
> > > greatly appreciated if you could re-visit these
> > > plants now that the severe cold snap has passed
> and
> > > give us a report on how they fared.
> > >
> > > The Best,
> > >
> > > Julius
> > >
> > >
> > > > Its definitely not P. xanadu. These plants are
> 5-6
> > > ft.
> > > > tall. The leaves are 2-3 ft. long.
> > > >
> > > > Eric
> > > > Orlando, FL
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Xanadu gone wild ! No way is that Xanadu. I
> > > think it
> > > > resembles somewhat P. x evansii, an invalid
> name
> > > that
> > > > might better be written P. 'Evansii'. This is
> > > much
> > > > seen in older Miami gardens, but the one in
> the
> > > photo
> > > > seems more compact and in some way different.
> > > >
> > > > John.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com
> > > > [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On
> Behalf
> > > Of
> > > > Marek Argent
> > > > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 2:52 AM
> > > > To: Discussion of aroids
> > > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] self heading
> Philodendron
> > > ID
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > For me it looks like Ph. xanadu
> > > >
> > > > Marek
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Eric Schmidt"
> > > > To: "Discussion of aroids"
> > >
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 10:59 PM
> > > > Subject: [Aroid-l] self heading Philodendron
> ID
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I found this clump of a self heading
> > > Philodendron in
> > > > > an older neighborhood. Can't tell if it is a
> > > form of
> > > > > P. bipinnatifidum (selloum) or a different
> > > species
> > > > or
> > > > > hybrid. Any ideas?
> > > > >
> > > > > http://tinyurl.com/yu2yxr
> > > > >
> > > > > Eric
> > > > > Orlando,FL z9b/10a
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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