[Aroid-l] Chaos in Monstera names

From: ju-bo at msn.com (ju-bo at msn.com) on 2008.07.02 at 09:56:59(18043) ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:06:35 -0700 > From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Chaos in Monstera names Dear Leland and Aroid Friends, Aloha. Though I have not seen the photo as yet, this smaller selection/clone of Monstera deliciosa ''ties in'' to my memory of the discussion we had on this forum some time ago. I believe Tom had said something along the lines that the large form of M. deliciosa were ALL from a single or a very few collections, as it (the larger variety/species was rare in the wild, but a simular or the SAME species, but in a smaller form was much more common in dry areas of Mexico? The large var./form was a selection (I suspect) based on the edibility of its larger fruit? I hope this helps. Aloha. Julius +More > Dear Tom and Pete, > > Aloha. > > I do not want to create more chaos here,but, via my wife's email, I will send you photos of a Monstera? that superficially looks like M. deliciosa, but has blades only a third the size. The photos are of a clump many years old and there are three or so roots per node. I have never seen this in bloom...but, I'll keep an eye open for them now. I have some sort of default on my server, so could you post these photos on Aroid-l. My hand is holding a leaf and from fingertip to palm is about 6 inches. > > Aloha, > > Leland > > > --- On Mon, 6/30/08, Tom Croat wrote: > > > From: Tom Croat > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Chaos in Monstera names > > To: "Discussion of aroids" > > Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 9:14 AM > > Dear Pete: > > > > > > > > I thought so and am glad that I was not just > > passing on nonsense. I am glad that I was remembering > > correctly. > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com > > [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Peter > > Boyce > > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 4:16 AM > > To: Discussion of aroids > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Chaos in Monstera names > > > > > > > > Hi Marek, Tom, etc. > > > > Sorry I did pick up on the Monstera thread a bit earlier. > > Tom is correct, M. pertusa is a Rhaphidophora (R. pertusa). > > > > Rhaphidophora pertusa (Roxb.) Schott, Prodr. Syst. Aroid.: > > 382. 1860; Hook.f., Fl. Brit. India 6: 546. 1893. - Pothos > > pertusus Roxb., Fl. Ind. 1: 455. 1820. - Monstera pertusa > > (Roxb.) Schott, Wiener Z. Kunst 4: 1028. 1830. - Scindapsus > > pertusus (Roxb.) Schott in H.W.Schott & S.L.Endlicher, > > Melet. Bot.: 21. 1832. - Rhaphidophora lacera Hassk., Flora > > 25(2 Beibl.): 11. 1842, nom. illeg. > > > > Very large, very robust, pachycaul, > > heterophyllous liane to 15 m or more. Stem robustly terete, > > 3-5 cm diam., Leaves dense along most of the stem except the > > oldest portion. Petiole shallowly canaliculate, 15-30 cm, > > pulvini indistinct; petiolar sheath extending 2/3 along the > > petiole, margins soon marcescent; lamina (juvenile) rotund, > > entire, apex abrupt acute, 13 ? 11 cm; (adult) > > oblong-ovate, ovate in outline, 20-50 ? 15-25 cm, > > irregularly and asymmetrically pinnately cut with the > > incisions c. ? way to the mid-rib and sometimes occurring > > as ovate, apex acute, base subcordate, pinnae 2-5 per > > side. Inflorescence solitary on tips of free lateral > > shoots. Peduncle cylindric, very robust,15-18 ? 1.5-2 cm. > > Spathe oblong-ovate, cymbiform, ca. 18 ? 8 cm, spreading > > at anthesis, thence falling, yellowish to somewhat pinkish > > tinged; spadix cylindric, ca. 10-12 ? 2-3 cm, base > > oblique, sessile, yellow. Fruit hexagonal-obconical, 18 ? > > 5 mm, green-white stylar region sloughing to reveal white > > or yellow pulp cavity. > > > > Distribution. - Sri Lanka, S. India through > > N.E. Himalaya to Bangladesh, Burma and N. Thailand > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tom Croat > > To: Discussion of aroids > > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 4:52 AM > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Chaos in Monstera names > > > > > > Marek: > > Monstera friedrichsthalii is a synonym of A. > > adansonii but M. pertusa is not even a Monstera as I recall > > but rather a Rhapidophora (Pete is this not correct?). M. > > karwinskyi is a synonym of M. acuminate, not the other way > > around. M. obliqua has lots of synonyms. Madison lists 7 > > including M. expilata Schott but I intend to resurrect the > > latter. > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com > > [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Marek > > Argent > > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:13 PM > > To: Discussion of aroids > > Subject: [Aroid-l] Chaos in Monstera names > > > > Hello, > > > > Can anyone authoritatively tell if: > > > > M. friedrichsthalii = M. adansonii = M. pertusa > > > > M. acuminata = M. karwinskyi > > > > M. obliqua has no synonyms > > > > Best > > Marek > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Aroid-L mailing list > > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l_______________________________________________ > > Aroid-L mailing list > > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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