[Aroid-l] Alocasia zebrina reticulata

From: botanist at malesiana.com (Peter Boyce) on 2008.07.10 at 08:32:35(18130) Hi Leland, I was more thinking along the lines that the numerous folks who grow Alocasia zebrina might pitch in with observations on the different menifestation that this species takes in cultivation. The Flora of the Philippines project is stll active but is suffering from the same problem besetting several similar projects in Asia, that of a dearth of botanists tackling alpha-taxonomy and the almost universal problem that so few students are coming into field-work based botany once they leave university such that as the few remaining active field-taxonomists/systematits become fewer still there are a disproportionately small number of young bloods entering the career. Pete +More ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian lee" To: "Discussion of aroids" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Alocasia zebrina reticulata > Dear Pete, > > Aloha. > > It is hard to comment on issues that some of us have no knowledge on. > That is not to say we do not have an obsessive desire for knowledge. We > wait on bated breath for tidbits of treasure from you. > > The Bernice Pauahi Bishop Museum used to participate in a program called, > the Philippine Flora Project that was to catalog as many of the in-situ > plants remaining in the archipelago...which was being destroyed at a pace > and scale that would see many habitats extirpated. I do not recall the > percentage of the destruction, but it was a significant proportion. My > point here is that if habitats are destroyed, it will be impossible to > reconstruct some of these interesting pearls of information we all desire. > I can ask Clyde Imada if Alocasia species were catalogued in this > program...hopefully your contact will respond with a wealth of new > information to enlighten the darkness. I am optimistic that Melanie will > answer the call. > > Aloha, > > Leland > > > --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Peter Boyce wrote: > >> From: Peter Boyce >> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Alocasia zebrina reticulata >> To: "Discussion of aroids" >> Cc: "Melanie P. Medecilo - hotmail" >> Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 11:45 AM >> Hi Denis, >> >> I am quite surprised that no one has picked up on the last >> comment in your >> posting regarding the status of A. zebrina in cultivation. >> >> As you know, Alistair Hay in his herbarium-based account of >> Philippines' >> Alocasia (Gardens' Bulletin Singapore 51: 1-41 (1999)) >> treated A. zebrina as >> a variable species and included under that name A. >> wenzelii. He made no >> mention of the name A. tigrina (or A. zebrina tigrina) as >> this name and any >> combination thereof has never been formally published and >> thus from a strict >> botanical standpoint dos not exist. Goerverts et al. >> include a further name >> as a provisional syn. (A. liervalii) but without further >> discussion. >> >> Not withstanding the strict application of application of >> published names, >> it is clear to anyone who grows A. zebrina that there are >> several >> conspicuously different (but likewise clearly allied) >> entities in >> cultivation, among which the form with reticulated venation >> is particularly >> striking. What of course is needed is a comprehensive field >> study to try to >> untangle these cultivated clones and see where they may >> have originated. For >> that reason I have ccd this aroid-l posting to Melanie >> Medecilo in the >> Philippines; Melanie is currently working on >> Philippines' Alocasia and if >> anyone is able to shed some light on the status of the >> various clones of A. >> zebrina she can. >> >> Very best >> >> Peter >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Denis" >> To: "'Discussion of aroids'" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 4:23 AM >> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Alocasia zebrina reticulata >> >> >> > Alocasia zebrina 'reticulata' was subsequently >> tissue cultured by >> > Oglesby Plant Labs in the 1980's to satisfy the >> small collector's market >> > for this unusual plant. Only about 1,000 to 1,500 >> plants were produced >> > at that time. You might could ask Plantsman Jim >> Georgusis who currently >> > is working at Oglesby Plants if he knows anymore about >> the origins of >> > this cultivar. I think he worked at Fantastic Gardens >> in the 1970's. >> > >> > The plant is currently being produced in Tissue >> Culture at Agristarts, >> > Inc. in Apopka Florida. >> > >> > The question is still open as to whether or not >> Alocasia zebrina is true >> > species described in the literature somewhere or just >> a sub variety of >> > Alocasia tigrina group. >> > >> > Denis >> > Silver Krome Gardens, Inc. >> > Homestead Florida >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com >> > [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of >> Harry Luther >> > Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 8:05 PM >> > To: Discussion of aroids >> > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Alocasia zebrina reticulata >> > >> > >> > I believe that I first saw an Alocasia >> "reticulata" at Fantastic Gardens >> > in Miami in the summer of 1976 in their private, keep >> out stock house. >> > This was when the Mentelos family had the nursery. My >> memory may be off >> > a bit as its filled with bromeliad stuff. HEL >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com >> > [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com]On Behalf Of >> brian lee >> > Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 2:27 PM >> > To: Discussion of aroids >> > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Alocasia zebrina reticulata >> > >> > >> > Dear Enid, >> > >> > Aloha. >> > >> > About 1986, Roberto Burle-Marx, Betty Ho, Robert >> Hirano, and I went to >> > the Philippines. Corazon Aquino just became >> President, and it was a >> > wild time. Our host, Ronnie Lane was murdered a week >> before our trip >> > and our new host was Dr. Vic Santos. There is an >> Alocasia 'Vic Santos' >> > that we brought in for the first time. Vic made sure >> that we got all >> > sorts of Philippine plants, including many Alocasia >> species...including >> > Alocasia zebrina and several forms. Soon after our >> trip, Vic was >> > murdered at his farm. I do not know much about >> Alocasia, but Bob Hirano >> > does. Bob's collections are maintained at Lyon >> Arboretum and they will >> > have records of all that was collected. Bob has >> retired and his eyes >> > were messed up in a botched operation. If this forum >> does not come up >> > with an answer for you, I can contact Ray Baker at the >> Arboretum and he >> > may have some information on their BG-base data >> system. Another source >> > of information may be at the Bernice Pauahi Bishop >> Museum. They were >> > involved in the Philippine Flora Project and I can >> contact Clyde Imada >> > to see if they have any records in conjunction with >> this program. >> > >> > I look forward to seeing what this thread reveals. >> > >> > Aloha, >> > >> > Leland >> > >> > >> > --- On Fri, 6/20/08, Enid >> wrote: >> > >> >> From: Enid >> >> Subject: [Aroid-l] Alocasia zebrina reticulata >> >> To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com >> >> Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 4:55 PM >> >> OK, does anyone out there know where Alocasia >> zebrina reticulata >> >> originally came from? Is it a proper species or a >> mutant? >> >> Enid >> >> >> >> Natural Selections Exotics >> >> >> www.NSExotics.com_______________________________________________ >> >> Aroid-L mailing list >> >> Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >> >> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Aroid-L mailing list >> > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >> > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Aroid-L mailing list >> > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >> > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Aroid-L mailing list >> > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >> > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Aroid-L mailing list >> Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >

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