Re: [Aroid-l] Amo atroviridis?

From: "E.Vincent Morano" <ironious2 at yahoo.com> on 2009.09.13 at 16:20:31(20018) Maybe next time you can compress them in to an archive instead of uploading 45 files? This will make them much easier to download and view. I refuse to participate in the in the recession. --- On Fri, 9/11/09, Marek Argent wrote: HTML +More From: Marek Argent Subject: [Aroid-l] Amo atroviridis? To: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" , "Discussion of aroids" Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 2:34 PM I sent to you all photos in high resolution but the message returned to me because it exceeded the limit of your mailbox. If you want any of them larger, write to me. > Hi Wilbert, > > Yes, this is the same plant. I bought one tuber in 2006 (it was pink > because > it was treated with a fungicide by the seller), in 2007 it grew in my > garden, it bloomed but it didn't put any leaf. The inflorescence was 28 cm > tall with the peduncle, while the peduncle was about 12 cm. The spathe at > the beginning was pinkish, then it turned white. > > In 2008 it also grew in the garden in full Sun, with a typical Polish > summer > (very hot and dry - it had to be watered everyday, but it still was not > enough), the leaf was divided into about 20 leaflets on a very dark and > short petiole. > > After the season the tuber split, the lower part fell off, first I thought > it was dead but it had small white buds, so I left it. > > In 2009 it stayed at home, both tubers produced leaves (one leaf from one > tuber). The leaf grown from the large tuber is 51 cm tall, 29 cm wide and > the petiole is 38 cm. It is divided into 10 lobes, the upper surface is > dark > green and velvety, the lower is brown with greyish tint. There are many > veins and every second one is thicker. The petiole is smooth, brown with a > few white spots. > > All my tuberous plants grown at home were always larger than in the > garden.. > For example Am. konjac from similar size tubers grew 2x larger at home. > > Maybe you know why do my Amorphophalli and other tropical tuberous aroids > wake up so late (most of them in June or August), only Taccarum > weddellianum > and Am albus wake up earlier (May, July), and Am. haematospadix is still > dormant, the same with Typhonium kunmingense, I checked the tubers a few > days ago, they are alive, but not hurrying to grow. During dormancy I > store > the tubers in the bathroom (the warmest and the most humid place at home). > They are in pots with soil and sometimes I pour a little water in summer, > but it doesn't help, they still are asleep. Storing tubers there I already > lost 2 rare plants: Pycnospatha arietina and an unidentified Anchomanes > sp. > > I append all photos I found of this atroviridis, even the unsuccessful > ones. > Every photo with a date. > If you need more details please tell me till the plant has leaves. > > Marek > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" > To: "'Discussion of aroids'" > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:50 AM > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Two amorphophalluses ... amorphophalli ... whatever > > > O.k., the new pics of the leaf do indeed resemble atroviridis but the > flower > doesn't match. Are you QUITE sure the leaf and the flower are of the same > plant??? Send me the picture of the flowwer agaian privately > (hetter@xs4all.nl) and I'll check again. > > Cheers, > Wilbert > > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com >> [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] Namens Marek Argent >> Verzonden: woensdag 9 september 2009 0:53 >> Aan: Discussion of aroids >> Onderwerp: Re: [Aroid-l] Two amorphophalluses ... >> amorphophalli ... whatever >> >> Wilbert, >> >> The petiole is smooth with white pattern and the leaf blade >> is velvety. >> This year it looks quite different than a year ago. >> >> I remember I was asking you last year (I asked what attacked >> the leaf) and you identified it as atroviridis. >> >> Last year it grew in the garden and the leaf was different >> (it was divided into ~20 lobes), this year it stayed at home >> on southern window, the leaf is larger, but has only 10 lobes >> and it's upper surface is velvety, the petiole is long and >> the pattern appeared (see the attached photos). >> The older photos you'll find in this page (The first photo >> doesn't show my >> plant): >> http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/amorphophallus/atrovir.htm >> >> Marek >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" >> To: "Discussion of aroids" >> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:41 AM >> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Two amorphophalluses ... amorphophalli >> ... whatever >> >> >> Hi too, >> >> Well Marek, yes, the plants look similar, but yours is not >> atroviridis, or >> I am suffering from "Amorphophalli Memorii-Degeneratio". I >> would check if >> your plant has a velvety hairy leaf-stalk. My guess is it >> will be smooth. >> >> Cheers, >> Wilbert >> >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > My atroviridis looks so (new photos attached) and here >> > http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/amorphophallus/atrovir.htm >> > I think it's the same species. >> > >> > Marek >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Steve Marak" >> > To: "Discussion of aroids" >> > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:43 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Two amorphophalluses ... >> amorphophalli ... whatever >> > >> > >> >> Wilbert, >> >> >> >> No problem - I haven't had time to look at the tags yet anyway. I'd >> >> hoped >> >> to get to that, and a bunch of other things that need doing in the >> >> greenhouse, over the Labor Day holiday here in the US, but >> as usual I'm >> >> way behind. >> >> >> >> Attached is a picture of the leaf. Both the infloresence >> and the leaf >> >> are >> >> more open now, and I'll try to take a couple more pictures today. >> >> >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> On Mon, 7 Sep 2009, Wilbert Hetterscheid wrote: >> >> >> >>> Oops, I noticed I wrote that the one in the picture >> without the leaf is >> >>> Am. >> >>> atroviridis but that was a slip of the braincell. It >> looks more like >> >>> operculatus or like (hard to be sure without leaf). >> >>> >> >>> Sorry 'bout that, Steve. >> >>> >> >>> Wilbert >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> >>> > Van: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com >> >>> > [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] Namens Steve Marak >> >>> > Verzonden: donderdag 3 september 2009 8:45 >> >>> > Aan: Aroid list >> >>> > Onderwerp: [Aroid-l] Two amorphophalluses ... amorphophalli >> >>> > ... whatever >> >>> > >> >>> > Aroiders, >> >>> > >> >>> > I've barely been in the greenhouse this week, but I noticed a >> >>> > stench in passing and investigation turned up these two. >> >>> > >> >>> > There are labels in the pots and I have no reason to doubt >> >>> > them but would appreciate the opinions of the experts just as >> >>> > confirmation - I have had aroid tubers move around >> >>> > mysteriously now and then, and a lot happened in a short time >> >>> > (with very little sleep) during the great ice storm. >> >>> > >> >>> > Thanks, >> >>> > >> >>> > Steve >> >>> > >> >>> > -- Steve Marak >> >>> > -- samarak@gizmoworks.com >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Aroid-L mailing list >> >>> Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com >> >>> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >> >>> >> >> >> >> -- Steve Marak >> >> -- samarak@gizmoworks.com >> > >> > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------------------ >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Aroid-L mailing list >> >> Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com >> >> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------------------ >> > >> > >> > >> > Nie znaleziono wirusa w tej wiadomo¶ci przychodz±cej. >> > Sprawdzone przez AVG - www.avg.com >> > Wersja: 8.5.409 / Baza danych wirusów: 270.13.78/2347 - >> Data wydania: >> > 09/05/09 05:51:00 >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Aroid-L mailing list >> > Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com >> > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Aroid-L mailing list >> Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com >> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------------------ >> >> >> >> Nie znaleziono wirusa w tej wiadomosci przychodzacej. >> Sprawdzone przez AVG - www.avg.com >> Wersja: 8.5.409 / Baza danych wirusów: 270.13.78/2347 - Data wydania: >> 09/05/09 05:51:00 >> > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Nie znaleziono wirusa w tej wiadomosci przychodzacej. > Sprawdzone przez AVG - www.avg.com > Wersja: 8.5.409 / Baza danych wirusów: 270.13.78/2347 - Data wydania: > 09/05/09 05:51:00 > > ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01CA3324.13E1E110 > Content-Type: image/jpeg; > name="DSC04056 20070228 atroviridis.JPG" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="DSC04056 20070228 atroviridis.JPG" > > /9j/4T3fRXhpZgAASUkqAAgAAAALAA4BAgAgAAAAkgAAAA8BAgAFAAAAsgAAABABAgAIAAAAuAAA > ABIBAwABAAAAAQAAABoBBQABAAAAwAAAABsBBQABAAAAyAAAACgBAwABAAAAAgAAADIBAgAUAAAA > 0AAAABMCAwABAAAAAgAAAGmHBAABAAAAAAEAAK > > --- End of message stripped. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nie znaleziono wirusa w tej wiadomosci przychodzacej. 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