Re: [Aroid-l] collecting titnaum seeds in the wild - forbidden?

From: Tom Croat <Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2014.11.15 at 20:13:49(23167) Bernard: It is good to know that at least in Indonesia the land owners can benefit from wild plants growing on their property. It is as is should be but I know that in many countries of South America such practices are illegal. So unable to make money selling native plant they just cut the whole damned forest down and raise grass for cows! I have repeatedly told them that they would conserve far more forest if they allowed the growing and cultivation of a native plants within the forest then the governments could help by providing a means for them to market such products, just like they do for roses, small palms and othersuch things. Those businesses are huge and have a lot of political clout whereas the small landowner is powerless to establish markets without some kind of a cooperative, an NGO or a government group designed to market and export. Most of these countries have few products that the rest of the world wants but their wild life is unique, highly sought after and valuable. Moreover in most cases it is capable of being endlessly reproduced. That goes for fish, birds, snakes and nearly everything. Doing this type of farming would preserve large tracts of land and prevent the extinction that is taking place now owing to limited value of virgin forest to the land owners. They have to cut it down or it is useless to them under present regulations. Tom HTML +More From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of StroWi@t-online.de Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 3:58 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] collecting titnaum seeds in the wild - forbidden? Dear Tom, a forum member who bought 30 of those titanum seeds just got the information: "origin north sumatra, collected from private land, gum tree plantation" So, collecting seeds from private land might be no problem - at least as long as the spec. is not protected by CITES regulations; but when plants grown on private property and thus declared as cultivated plants even this might not forbid havesting and selling of seeds. Happy growing, Bernhard. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [Aroid-l] collecting titnaum seeds in the wild - forbidden? Datum: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 08:24:26 +0100 Von: Tom Croat An: 'Discussion of aroids' Dear Bernard: Oh, what the local people do and can get by with would differ a lot from what we would be required to do if we were to try this. If you are just gathering some seeds it probably would not be worth the effort to go through the whole ordeal. Tom From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of StroWi@t-online.de Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 3:37 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] collecting titnaum seeds in the wild - forbidden? Tom, as far as it is discussed in our forum, it seems that sellers get /buy whole seeds heads from people in rural areas and resell them via the amorphophallus face book group or via ebay. I learned meanwhile that botanists collecting plants/seeds need a permit for genera etc. in Sumatra. It would be interesting to know, if permits are necessary for A. titanum seeds as well and if local people may harvest seeds on their own land. There are clips in the www where you can see fruiting A. titanum in banana plantations for instance. Happy growing, Bernhard. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [Aroid-l] collecting titnaum seeds in the wild - forbidden? Datum: Sun, 09 Nov 2014 03:44:33 +0100 Von: Tom Croat An: 'Discussion of aroids' The species is very rare in the wild and to find it in fruit in Madagascar would be even more incredible and surely not worth the expense considering that people are getting seed production in cultivation. Tom Croat, Missouri Botanical Garden From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Cyndi Krall Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 1:59 PM To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] collecting titnaum seeds in the wild - forbidden? Just out of curiosity-I have no plans to buy any, so please don't send me hatemail-does 200,00 mean they are selling the seeds for $200.00 US dollars each? Comma instead of a period there, so I'm not sure what that translates to. Cyndi -----Original Message----- From: Ertelt, Jonathan B To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Mon, Nov 3, 2014 11:03 am Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] collecting titnaum seeds in the wild - forbidden? Since there are a fair number of A. titanum growing and flowering at botanical centers now, I'm not sure that the assumption can be made that these are wild collected. Does it say within the description that this is so? Jonathan On 11/3/14 8:03 AM, "StroWi@t-online.de" wrote: > Aroiders, > esp. titanophiles, > > due to recent offers at ebay > > ( > http://www.ebay.de/itm/Amorphophallus-titanum-35-seeds-Fresh-SOME-ALREADY-SPRO > UTED-MAKE-YOUR-OFFER-/321569296285?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4adf060f9d ) > > there is a discussion in our German amorphophallus forum wether it is allowed > to collect titanum seeds in the wild or not. > > I know that titanum is not listet in CITES but the local law might as well > forbid collecting seeds. > > Would anyone know something about the situation? > > Happy growing, > Bernhard. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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