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  Mini rant
From: Ken Mosher <ken at spatulacity.com> on 2004.11.01 at 20:32:09(12331)
Like many of us, I check eBay from time to time just to see who's offering
what. I officially propose that the next person that lists any species of
Amorphophallus accompanied by the words "rare bizarre" be officially
prohibited from touching another tuberous aroid or showing his/her face
amongst civilized society ever again.

First, they're not that bizarre. American politics are bizarre, Amorphs
haven't been bizarre for a while now. Maybe vaguely unusual is OK.

Konjac, paeoniifolius and bulbifer no longer count as rare, ever, for any
reason. OK, if you have one that spontaneously combusts and then bursts
forth anew from it's own ashes (ssp. phoenixiodes) then one of those is
rare. The way titanums are popping up these days I practically expect to
find one growing in the cracks in my walkway. Call them uncommon, but not
rare any more.

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From: "Bamboo Chik" <bamboochik at earthlink.net> on 2004.11.02 at 09:20:02(12332)
Ken, I agree with you on this. Although, I am not into those particular
aroids, I am into Alocasia and Colocasia. I have yet to see a really "rare"
one listed in years, but you wouldn't know that from the auctions! I think
if I see "Alocasia Robusta Borneo Giant" advertised one more time, I will
do something dangerous...LOL....then there is the person who advertises an
Alocasia Mac Borneo Giant only to tell you in the auction that it is "like"
the Borneo Giant....false advertising.....OH YES!!!!

I know that many of the auction sellers are also members of this group even
if they do stay in the background, so maybe they will take heed...then
again....maybe not...b.f.n...deb/S.AL

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From: Don Martinson <llmen at wi.rr.com> on 2004.11.02 at 17:27:37(12333)
Ken, I agree with you on this.

And I, too. But even in our cherished horticultural world, the word
is: Caveat Emptor!

--
Don Martinson

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From: RAYMOMATTLA at cs.com on 2004.11.02 at 17:27:59(12334)
A plant that grows an unusually large, sometimes grotesque, sometimes phallic, most times very beautiful inflorescence....with a solitary umbrella like leaf that can get as tall or taller than a man.....that is by most people's standards bizarre. Seems like adding bizarre or rare in front of a rather uncommon, unusual or out of the norm plant's name is a marketing technique that works rather well and doesnt fool anyone. As long as the plant being marketed is the plant you get I dont see a problem with it.
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From: "Jeff Rosenstiel" <jjjj4 at comcast.net> on 2004.11.03 at 14:17:47(12335)
Very well said!, I agree with you
100%
On ebay we are marketing to sell a item and get it
noticed, not to rip anyone off,
Jeff

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From: "Harry Witmore" <harrywitmore at witmore.net> on 2004.11.03 at 14:52:42(12336)
I agree with Michael on this. If you are selling anything anywhere,
marketing is one of the aspects and we all know that marketing is not always
based on the absolute truth. So, I don't see any problem using the word rare
for something as long as the picture is not deceiving. I have purchased many
things from many people on Ebay and it's pretty easy to tell those that are
trying to sell and be honest and those that are not. So, I think if you have
issues with what folks do on eBay you have an up hill battle and selling
Aroids is a pretty small part of the problem.
I imagine that some of the tubers we sale here as rare are eaten as food
elsewhere so where do you draw the line. Leave it up to each buyer to make
up his or her mind as to what is rare to them.

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From: "Greg Dorst" <gregg1- at charter.net> on 2004.11.03 at 15:51:15(12337)
I have seen some opportunistic parting of the bucks, but a fool and their
money; and thats not right. However, there is that other group thats
lacking in any real interest in what ever they are involved in, be it
plants or exotic pets that grow up and become abandoned abused or ignored.
Caveat Emptor
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From: "danny wilson" <mudwasp_ at hotmail.com> on 2004.11.03 at 22:42:11(12341)
there are a few people who put up pictures along with their auctions of plants that are not the ones advertised. there was one seller selling what they said was a "huge" dracunculus vulgaris tuber. the real tuber was 2 inches across and they had pictures of A. konjac up. you have to love that!
>From: "Harry Witmore"
>Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
>To: "'Discussion of aroids'"
>Subject: RE: [Aroid-l] Mini rant
>Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:52:42 -0500
>
>I agree with Michael on this. If you are selling anything anywhere,
>marketing is one of the aspects and we all know that marketing is not always
>based on the absolute truth. So, I don't see any problem using the word rare
>for something as long as the picture is not deceiving. I have purchased many
>things from many people on Ebay and it's pretty easy to tell those that are
>trying to sell and be honest and those that are not. So, I think if you have
>issues with what folks do on eBay you have an up hill battle and selling
>Aroids is a pretty small part of the problem.
>I imagine that some of the tubers we sale here as rare are eaten as food
>elsewhere so where do you draw the line. Leave it up to each buyer to make
>up his or her mind as to what is rare to them.
>
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From: "Mark S Jackson" <xstrat7 at msn.com> on 2004.11.04 at 03:42:36(12343)
I have found that it is "RARE" to get the truth now days.

Mark j.

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