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From: Jason Hernandez mossytrail at earthlink.net> on 1969.12.31 at 16:00:00(12662)
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Dear Friends,

Well said, Michael---any confusion that might have existed concerning the
'correct' Philo. species on which to place this name was cleared up by Dr.
Eduardo Gonclaves' EXCELLENT article and scientific description of this
wonderful plant as a 'good' species'. The article featured both photos AND
fantastic line-drawings of this extremely now-rare-in-the wild plant, less
than 20 specimens are known to exist in the wild, all isolated from each
other on remanant trees left over from forest clearing and now standing in
cattle pastures, no pollenators, hence so sexual reproduction is taking
The one question I have is how many independent collcections were originally
made, and if there was variability in say leaf-shape or color to these
different collections that were all presumably the same species, and to say
that perhaps someone could start a discussion-group where photos could be
posted of individually-owned plants of this species, we could then confirm
if a particular plant is indeed this species.
I once more make a call to those in the USA who may be fortunate enough to
own a plant or plants of this species to make every effort to hand-pollinate
it and so get some seed w/ some genitic var., the same urgent request is
now made to aroid loves in its native Brazil, Dr. Eduardo Goncalves and
others, please try to hand-pollinate a couple of wild blooming plants to
obtain seeds, without this effort NOW, this wonderful species is doomed to
extinction. Perhaps we could once more discuss some limited tissue-culture
of the remaining plants.
Julius Boos,

Without the natural pollinators, even hand pollination is only a stopgap. Did anyone ever observe the pollinator before the habitat was destroyed? I don't suppose there are any living, captive stock of it? If so, that would be one of our first conservation measures. If the elements of the species' natural history can be reassembled, there may be hope of one day re-establishing wild populations, whether by restoration of the original site, or construction of a new one; but without these interrelationships, it will become extinct in the wild, perpetuated only in cultivation.

Jason Hernandez

From: Wrig14 at aol.com on 2005.02.11 at 07:08:31(12665)
This should be a call to arms for all aroiders. World recognition of rapidly shrinking habitats for flora and fauna should be a wake up call for seed propagation by serious collectors and growers. There are no age limitations for those who have not tried setting seed and hybridizing. Our richest gene pool of plant species are within collections. We need to preserve and enhance them because very soon ther will be little to be offerd for scientists and growers alike. Joe. .
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From: Baumfarn Webmaster webmaster at baumfarn.at> on 2005.02.14 at 13:21:40(12683)
Hi Joe,
I agree only partlialy with you.
Artificial cultures and collections could never preserve was is free
grown and living in nature. Esspecially is this true for the worlds
rainforests: tropical, cloud and temperate rainforest. Many plants and
animals living in a high specialized symbiosis to each other. What
happen if weaken one link of a chain?
Most of the nature destruction is the conclusion of purblinded
ravenousness. Particularly our so called western-civilized world is the
driving force for this destruction.
We have to save and protect the habitats, probably we can do this in
encourage native people to carefully collect seeds for us in moderation.

Without plants there wouldn't have been any living on this planet.
Without plants there will be no further living on this planet.

greetings Peter

From: Wrig14 at aol.com on 2005.02.15 at 14:37:03(12690)
Dear Peter, your position is irrefuteable. However consider this. The problem is global and as mortals we must do what we must live within our limitations. Here in SW Florida we watch daily prime wetlands succumb to developement. Even with so called mitigation projects there seems to be no appeasing developers and species are yet being lost. That is being repeated all over. As individuals we can help preserve the species we enjoy as our collection. My position is not to restore the vanishing habitats but rather to preserve the species we have. As recently published despite the growing number of aroid species it pales in comparison to plants in general. This means we aroiders can focus on a smaller number of species by propagating. Growing from seeds is exciting and rewarding. . Leadership is fundemental to a programs success and I look forward to that emerging. I invite you and all aroiders to actively do what you
can to make such a program successful. Grow and share, I do. Joe
From: Baumfarn Webmaster webmaster at baumfarn.at> on 2005.02.15 at 15:51:24(12696)
Hi Joe,
'irrefuteable' sorry I can't find the word in any dictionary.
Neverthless ... The point is: our energy in preserve natural habitats
should be much more valued. Encapsulate more or less single organism
and protecting just these, will not (in most cases) protect the
symbiosis between the organism and it sounds to me like to dispense
justice (couldn't find a better word) on nature, which is valueable or
interesting enough to let it survive or not. I don't think that realy
"individuals can help preserve the species" without a lot of
organization and planning. I think http://www.wollemipine.com/ try a
better way than many others, developing over years and than try to
widespread this tree to protect it. Wished on "Fitzroya cupressoides"
they could do the same. But I have the impression that this management
is far more we collectors can do. If there will be an aroid which is
fertilzed just by one bug, can we also protect this bug to? Do we realy
want to do it? If this bug need a special plant or animal to to put his
eggs in, we have to protect this to. Can you see my point? In this way
we protect one plant more or less, but it's then depentend of us.
Which seems to me much more worse than to be depentend from a bug.
(Sorry, please take it not personally!!)
"Growing from seeds is exciting and rewarding." Yes, I can 100 percent
agree with you. But what I'm missing is any source for plant-lovers on
their natural fertilization and how to manage this in its most natural
way. This sources (if they exists) are most times only available for
From: "Harry Witmore" harrywitmore at witmore.net> on 2005.02.16 at 05:13:51(12702)
A simple search in Google found the word spelled both ways so here's the

adj : impossible to deny or disprove; "incontrovertible proof of the
defendant's innocence"; "proof positive"; "an irrefutable argument" [syn:
incontrovertible, positive]

Harry Witmore

From: "Dany Hervelle" bs246466 at skynet.be> on 2006.02.23 at 00:04:08(13890)
Hi Joe and friends
I share your view of this...
Unfortunatly,the natural habitat isdown grading
step by step,
and if of course we have to do all what we can
to stop
this,we probably don't be able to do it
really..!Money today have all the rights ..So if laterally collectors can do
preservation work with personal collection,lot
of species probably will be saving as they probably not in the natural
habitat.Of course i prefer see an aroid growing in the deep forest,but i prefer
see it in a greenhouse that don't see it anymore.If you see plants like
aroid,how many peoples are really interesting about them?I really wonder if we
are really more than a thousand....when i say 'interesting',i want to say people
who want to grow many aroid,not only the few
commercialy plants in the market!. Iamagine that
a really rare plant is present in 10% of the collection(that is a highly
unprobable average,because too high!),what mean only 100 plants out of the
nature?I really think that our work is a conservatory work.
Dany hervelle
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