High elevation plants

From: Brian Williams <pugturd at windstream.net> on 2012.02.22 at 00:57:59(22566) I have seen an new very odd way to grow high elevation plants. I have had really good luck on a living wall I made in the greenhouse that had a somewhat nice cool micro-climate from the evaporating water. Recently I ran into a photo of a guy growing cool growing orchids in a very ingenious way. The idea is to take a old stove pipe flu or clay drainage pipe. Glue the bottom to a tray or bowl and then fill the pipe with water. The clay naturally tends to stay cooler than most surfaces and the added water tends to help to this effect. The water penetrates the clay and keeps it moist as well as producing condensation. I am trying the technique now on a few fussy Anthuriums. Here is a link to the blog of the guy that started using this. It maybe a new way for some of us to grow those impossible plants. Plus it is cheep and easy to do. http://hawkdog.net/wordpress/archives/761 +More _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Steve Marak <samarak at gizmoworks.com> on 2012.02.22 at 05:43:15(22569) Brian, I've seen this technique described before (in the orchid world) and have wanted to try it - but I can't find the drain tiles! Where did you get yours? I've called or visited at least two dozen places here in NW Arkansas that sell brick, tile, etc. etc. and no one carries clay drain tiles any more. They have flue tiles but they're huge and are not nearly as porous as the ones on that blog look. Steve +More On Tue, 21 Feb 2012, Brian Williams wrote: > I have seen an new very odd way to grow high elevation plants. I have > had really good luck on a living wall I made in the greenhouse that had > a somewhat nice cool micro-climate from the evaporating water. Recently > I ran into a photo of a guy growing cool growing orchids in a very > ingenious way. The idea is to take a old stove pipe flu or clay > drainage pipe. Glue the bottom to a tray or bowl and then fill the pipe > with water. The clay naturally tends to stay cooler than most surfaces > and the added water tends to help to this effect. The water penetrates > the clay and keeps it moist as well as producing condensation. I am > trying the technique now on a few fussy Anthuriums. > > Here is a link to the blog of the guy that started using this. It maybe > a new way for some of us to grow those impossible plants. Plus it is > cheep and easy to do. > http://hawkdog.net/wordpress/archives/761 -- Steve Marak -- samarak@gizmoworks.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Brian Williams <pugturd at windstream.net> on 2012.02.22 at 06:07:25(22571) They have several pipes and flues locally here at wholesale company near out nursery. I may go in a few weeks and pick up another one. http://ackrebs.com/products +More _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: mjkolaffhbc at sbcglobal.net on 2012.02.22 at 08:56:33(22573) Greetings Steve, Here in Illinois, clay pipe,like the type you have described, and as I saw on the link Brian provided, might be available at a plumbing supply company. Today of course, PVC has replaced the traditional materials. +More Perhaps a farm or agriculture supply company might have clay field tiles, but here again, today, long continuous plastic hoses are used for this function as well. Many years, ago, you would occasionally see people using broken or half clay pots for mounting epiphytic plants. Packing sphagnum moss into the pot, and then tying the plants onto or into the media. If I may offer an " out there" idea, I have made my own Hypertufa troughs, to grow various rock garden perennials and bulbs in over the years. You can mold this mixture free hand or you could use various cardboard tubes, to make a cylinder. This might be an avenue to look into for these more unusual aroids that people would be trying to grow.. Michael Kolaczewski _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Ertelt, Jonathan B" <jonathan.ertelt at Vanderbilt.Edu> on 2012.02.22 at 16:34:46(22583) Brian, In addition to finding the drain tiles, I am also very curious about the polycarbonate tubes. Once one can find the drain tiles, they might be cheap, but polycarbonate tubing with a 14" diameter is between $6-800.00/foot. There may be cheaper alternatives, but all is relative - that's not cheap that's a serious bundle! Obviously the clear tubing isn't necessary if you've got a greenhouse - but I'm just curious about possible alternatives without 2nd mortgages! Any ideas? Jonathan +More On 2/21/12 11:43 PM, "Steve Marak" wrote: > Brian, > > I've seen this technique described before (in the orchid world) and have > wanted to try it - but I can't find the drain tiles! Where did you get > yours? > > I've called or visited at least two dozen places here in NW Arkansas that > sell brick, tile, etc. etc. and no one carries clay drain tiles any more. > They have flue tiles but they're huge and are not nearly as porous as the > ones on that blog look. > > Steve > > On Tue, 21 Feb 2012, Brian Williams wrote: > >> I have seen an new very odd way to grow high elevation plants. I have >> had really good luck on a living wall I made in the greenhouse that had >> a somewhat nice cool micro-climate from the evaporating water. Recently >> I ran into a photo of a guy growing cool growing orchids in a very >> ingenious way. The idea is to take a old stove pipe flu or clay >> drainage pipe. Glue the bottom to a tray or bowl and then fill the pipe >> with water. The clay naturally tends to stay cooler than most surfaces >> and the added water tends to help to this effect. The water penetrates >> the clay and keeps it moist as well as producing condensation. I am >> trying the technique now on a few fussy Anthuriums. >> >> Here is a link to the blog of the guy that started using this. It maybe >> a new way for some of us to grow those impossible plants. Plus it is >> cheep and easy to do. >> http://hawkdog.net/wordpress/archives/761 > > -- Steve Marak > -- samarak@gizmoworks.com > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Adam Black <epiphyte1 at earthlink.net> on 1970.01.01 at 00:00:00(22592) Jonathan, In the comments under one of the photos, someone asked where the clear tubes were obtained from. The response was simply that "he makes them out of macrolon". I see in the photos a vertical strip of metal with screws/bolts, perhaps he uses a flat sheet thin enough to bend and secure the opposing edges with bolts through the edges, sandwiched between the metal strips? Now to expand on this idea and figure out how to make semi-realistic branching terracotta "trees", hollow and filled with water, covered with a diverse array of high elevation epiphytes. Thanks for sharing this intriguing idea, Brian. Adam +More -----Original Message----- >From: "Ertelt, Jonathan B" >Sent: Feb 22, 2012 11:34 AM >To: Discussion of aroids >Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fwd: High elevation plants > >Brian, > >In addition to finding the drain tiles, I am also very curious about the >polycarbonate tubes. Once one can find the drain tiles, they might be cheap, >but polycarbonate tubing with a 14" diameter is between $6-800.00/foot. >There may be cheaper alternatives, but all is relative - that's not cheap >that's a serious bundle! Obviously the clear tubing isn't necessary if >you've got a greenhouse - but I'm just curious about possible alternatives >without 2nd mortgages! Any ideas? > >Jonathan > > >On 2/21/12 11:43 PM, "Steve Marak" wrote: > >> Brian, >> >> I've seen this technique described before (in the orchid world) and have >> wanted to try it - but I can't find the drain tiles! Where did you get >> yours? >> >> I've called or visited at least two dozen places here in NW Arkansas that >> sell brick, tile, etc. etc. and no one carries clay drain tiles any more. >> They have flue tiles but they're huge and are not nearly as porous as the >> ones on that blog look. >> >> Steve >> >> On Tue, 21 Feb 2012, Brian Williams wrote: >> >>> I have seen an new very odd way to grow high elevation plants. I have >>> had really good luck on a living wall I made in the greenhouse that had >>> a somewhat nice cool micro-climate from the evaporating water. Recently >>> I ran into a photo of a guy growing cool growing orchids in a very >>> ingenious way. The idea is to take a old stove pipe flu or clay >>> drainage pipe. Glue the bottom to a tray or bowl and then fill the pipe >>> with water. The clay naturally tends to stay cooler than most surfaces >>> and the added water tends to help to this effect. The water penetrates >>> the clay and keeps it moist as well as producing condensation. I am >>> trying the technique now on a few fussy Anthuriums. >>> >>> Here is a link to the blog of the guy that started using this. It maybe >>> a new way for some of us to grow those impossible plants. Plus it is >>> cheep and easy to do. >>> http://hawkdog.net/wordpress/archives/761 >> >> -- Steve Marak >> -- samarak@gizmoworks.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Aroid-L mailing list >> Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com >> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Aroid-L mailing list >Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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