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  Anthurium seeds
From: "Dr. Guanghua Zhu" <gzhu at lehmann.mobot.org> on 1997.02.10 at 19:58:21(324)
Dear all,

This is a request from France. Please help if you can. Many thanks.

Guanghua

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From: Tom Croat <croat at mobot.org> on 1997.02.17 at 19:46:52(377)
>
> Dear all,
>
> This is a request from France. Please help if you can. Many thanks.
>
> Guanghua
>
> Mr. Scherberich: We have been reasonably
sucessful in sending seeds through the regular mail to places as far
away as Australia but simply removing the sugar-containing pericarp and
mesocarp, then wrapping them in a bit of regular newspaper and
enveloping in small plastic bags. Then they are mailed in a regular
envelope with sheets of bubble-pack. Shipments of several weeks do not
seem to affect them this way. We have a large collection of Anthurium
and do get fruit production on some owing to our own pollination
efforts. Could you send us a list of the species you have and what you
might be willing to accept. The cost to you would not be excessive
since we are not a commercial nursery but we would have to reimbursed
for the preparation and shipping costs. We don't always have the time
to collect and process material but if we knew of your interest we are
sometimes able to entertain the possibility of sending seed.

Tom

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From: "Geoffrey Kibby (IIE)" <G.KIBBY at cabi.org> on 1997.08.18 at 19:12:20(1055)
Dear all,

Regarding my mystery lavender-berried Anthurium ... to all those who have
replied asking for seeds, thank you and your seeds will be sent out shortly.
Please be patient however, squeezing out all those little seeds, washing them
and wrapping in wet tissue etc is truly a labour of love and very time
consuming so it may take me a couple of days...There are lots available so
more requests are welcome. No charge as usual and as usual if you have
some interesting seeds you can exchange that will be very welcome also but of
course that is not obligatory, I am happy to make these things more widely
available.

I sowed some of the seeds myself on sphagnum moss and they are germinating
already (2 days!!) so the chances for germination looks good.

Thanks to those who gave suggestions as to its identity, most suggestions
were for A. scandens or related. Yes, looking through the keys by Croat it
would seem to be a member of the section containing A. scandens, it has the
rooting internodes, the 2 prominent collective veins near the leaf margin,
berries with apical points etc but I don't think it can be scandens itself.
It is just too large in all its parts, leaves approaching 5-6 inches, 2-3
inches across, and most importantly the leaf stalks are very long, at least
as long as the leaves and frequently half as long again. The same for the
stems of the flowers, usually 6-7 inches long. The short spathe is greenish,
pointed and erect throughout. Berry clusters are about 3 inches long.So we
are left with something that looks like a giant, elongated scandens. I have
to say also that the glands on the leaf surfaces are indistinct to say the
least and I believe in that group they are supposed to be prominent?

Anyway, any other suggestions greatfully received and I will work at getting
a picture put on the web as soon as possible. Whatever it is it is very
vigorous and immensely floriferous (I counted carefully last night and there
are 35 flower spikes!)

Regards to all,

Geoffrey Kibby

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From: earmag at sdv.fr (David SCHERBERICH) on 1997.08.23 at 05:25:34(1068)
Dear all,

Thanks to aroid-l I have now a nice collection of Anthurium seedlings. I
have the opportunity today to propose something in return. I have an Anth.
scandens var. leucocarpum from Brazil which has just produced some white
berries.
If you are interested please send me a message and I will send you some
seeds for free. The quantity depends on the number of requests.

Best regards.

David Scherberich (France)

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From: TimothyA7 at aol.com on 1997.08.26 at 13:59:53(1095)
We could use some seed here at he seedling bank.
Tim Anderson
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From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at classic.msn.com> on 1997.08.27 at 02:46:10(1102)
----------
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 9:59 AM
To: ju-bo@msn.com
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From: plantnut at shadow.net (Dewey Fisk) on 1997.08.27 at 03:59:05(1106)
Julius,
Send the seed.... Tim can handle it..
Dewey

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From: " A.Viossat" <mayrun at oceanes.fr> on 1999.03.14 at 06:04:18(3109)
Hello,
My name is Alexandre Viossat. I am living in Reunion Island, French island
in the Indian Ocean (close to Madagascar) and I am new to aroids. I have
been collecting Aloe for a longtime and now would like to come to Anthurium.
Since I am very new to this family I am looking for any information on the
topic. Obviously the first question I would ask is where to get seeds from.
I have asked Betsy Feuerstein and she suggested that I post a message to the
list. I have nothing to exchange with so I am willing to buy ANY Anthurium
seeds. Is there someone out there with extra seeds ?
I would love to hear from you.
Kindest regards

Alexandre VIOSSAT

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From: GeoffAroid at aol.com on 2000.05.08 at 01:33:14(4541)
To all who asked me for seeds of Anthurium scandens var leucodendrum and A.
trinerve they were packaged up today and will be in the mail tomorrow
(monday). I had lots of the scandens so no problem there; the trinerve were
in short supply however so some of you will only get literally one or two
berries (each has about 4 seeds). Sorry about this but I do have another
spike maturing so will have more before long. They have been wrapped in damp
tissue, then in silver foil and finally in a padded envelope, this has worked
well in the past but let me know if you have any problems or dont receive
anything over the next week or so.

Best of luck germinating!
Geoffrey Kibby

From: Don Martinson llmen at execpc.com> on 2000.05.17 at 03:36:49(4587)
>To all who asked me for seeds of Anthurium scandens var leucodendrum and A.
>trinerve they were packaged up today

Thanks, the seeds arrived yesterday.

--
Don Martinson

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From: GeoffAroid at aol.com on 2000.05.17 at 20:44:26(4588)
Don,

Glad they arrived safely, by the way, the name of the scandens var. should be
leucocarpum - sorry, my mistake in spelling!

Best wishes,
Geoffrey

From: "John S. Smolowe" johnsmolowe at ispchannel.com> on 2000.05.29 at 01:40:23(4649)
Thanks so much. There was a bit of mold, which I treated with fungicide.
Otherwise all OK.
John Smolowe
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From: DBurch2345 at aol.com on 2000.09.04 at 02:05:33(5334)
I agree with Joe about how good sphagnum is for germinating anthurium seeds,
but I use a small layer of coarsely milled sphagnum over a pot of regular
potting mix. This avoids the complication that the long strands of "whole"
sphagnum give when you are trying to separate the seedlings for potting-on.

Derek Burch

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From: GeoffAroid at aol.com on 2001.06.16 at 02:25:45(6743)
Hi all,

I currently have lots of bunches of beautiful white berries on my Anthurium
scandens, its a very vigorous cultivar which is in flower and berry 365 days
a years! If I were to sow them all I would need a new apartment (which I
already do, it looks more like a botanic garden every day!). So....if anyone
is interested in some seed, let me know, all I ask is if you have
seeds/seedlings of other Anthuriums, aroids or a leaf cutting of gesneriads
(my other passion....) then a swap would be great. Or if you want to send a
couple of dollar bills for the postage that would be great (the last time I
sent a seed distribution I ended up sending out about 25 packages!) but even
just your thanks is fine, I really dont mind.

Geoffrey Kibby

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From: "Peter Wunderlin" pmdes at iafrica.com> on 2001.11.27 at 06:56:48(7850)
Hi everybody,
I have a fairly large number of birdsnest type
anthurium seeds to give away in return
for what you can spare in seeds of other
interesting Aroids.
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From: Tom philofan at philodendron.org> on 2005.07.06 at 05:27:46(13133)
My anthurium gracile has some nice red berries on it. I would
appreciate any recommendations on when to pick them and any seed
growing culture tips.

Thanks,
Tom Vincze

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From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at msn.com> on 2005.07.06 at 09:03:53(13136)
Reply-To : Discussion of aroids
Sent : Wednesday, July 6, 2005 5:27 AM
To : Discussion of aroids
Subject : [Aroid-l] Anthurium seeds

Dear Tom,

When the fruit are ripe/mature thay will begin falling off the spadix.
Clean the outer covering off the seeds (the seeds pulp out when the ripe
fruit is squeezed between finger and thumb) wash-rinse the seeds off in
water in a fine strainer, sow the seed in chopped wet sphagnum in a large
zip-loc bag kept in a warm, bright area out of any direct sun. When the
seedlings are large enough transplant to small pots w/ a suitable loose,
well draining mix.

Good Growing

Julius

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From: Tom philofan at philodendron.org> on 2005.07.06 at 15:16:41(13140)
Thanks, Julius, I will try that.

Dear Tom,

When the fruit are ripe/mature thay will begin falling off the
spadix. Clean the outer covering off the seeds (the seeds pulp out
when the ripe fruit is squeezed between finger and thumb) wash-rinse
the seeds off in water in a fine strainer, sow the seed in chopped
wet sphagnum in a large zip-loc bag kept in a warm, bright area out
of any direct sun. When the seedlings are large enough transplant to
small pots w/ a suitable loose, well draining mix.

Good Growing

Julius

My anthurium gracile has some nice red berries on it. I would
appreciate any recommendations on when to pick them and any seed
growing culture tips.

Thanks,
Tom Vincze

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From: enigo at bellsouth.net (Enid) on 2007.10.17 at 16:08:38(16522)
Well....we all knew it couldn't last. It looks like someone is selling seeds of several rare Anthurium species on ebay. Of course using stolen images from Arden and Neil Carrol.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item(0163731204&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih8

It looks like she went from selling rose seeds to suddenly having several VERY rare Anthurium species virtually overnight....Ahh well, let the buyer beware.
Enid

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From: pugturd at alltel.net (Brian Williams) on 2007.10.18 at 19:51:00(16526)
I normally would not post opinions on someone's Ebay sales and usually
only offer advise if asked by other sellers.
After looking at the sale list of this person I don't believe it is
true and it does look like a scam. Most if not every aroid photo looks
to be off of other web sites or stolen. Not to mention some of the seeds
listed I have never seen available anywhere ever. I don't believe it
personally.

From: ju-bo at msn.com (Julius Boos) on 2007.10.18 at 20:47:41(16529)
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:36:43 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID:

Dear Enid,

The items are no longer listed on e-bay---I wonder what happened??

Julius

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From: hermine at endangeredspecies.com (hermine) on 2007.10.18 at 20:51:57(16530)
THIS particuliar bieeatch thinks the sale of plants on ebay is such
ramapant snake oil merchandizing that I am ASHAMED sometimes to be in
the plant biz. i really do not believe in LET THE BUYER BEWARE, that
is nasty and justifies plain all out cheating.

I have made myself abundantly clear on this and so far have had ZERO
influence on sellers, including ones known to me PERSONALLY for over decades.

hermine

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From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2007.10.18 at 21:15:40(16532)
My suggestion, report it to eBay! And make sure the owners of the photographs report it to eBay! I've had photos from my site stolen several times and they will stop it quickly!

Steve Lucas

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From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2007.10.18 at 22:13:31(16534)
I found the sellers offerings to still be listed. Over 100 "rare" seed offerings! I checked each one to see if any were photos lifted from my site and found none. But I'd suggest you check this link to see if any are your photos!

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfrtsZ0QQsassZladybotany

This "ladybotany" is based in Turkey.

Steve Lucas

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From: plantguy at zoominternet.net (Daniel Devor) on 2007.10.18 at 22:43:32(16536)
Obviously, she was reported for using others pics...but that can be easily overcome.....many, many, many sellers (including many on this forum....me included) simply link to the IAS site for the pic used to sell......she will be back and she will sell.

A larger problem is that she can scam people all she wants and will never, ever, ever be taken off ebay. There has been a guy selling AeAe banana seed for over a year......not possible and ebay has been told this person is commiting fraud many times and they apparently do not care....there is even a cadre of other sellers that now post AeAe seed for 99 cents just so they can try to inform people that they are being ripped off by the other seller.

I know it is buyer beware, but at some point it has gone beyond the pale,

Dan

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From: exotics at hawaii.rr.com (Windy Aubrey) on 2007.10.18 at 22:54:38(16537)
I had one of my images used by this eBay seller. When I contacted her,
regarding this issue, she told me she buys the Anthurium seed out of South
Africa and the images she uses in her listings are supplied to her with the
seed. So far she has not given me the name of the firm in So. Africa.
She is located in Turkey.
Now those are some IAS....International Anthurium seeds, that is.

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From: harrywitmore at witmore.net (Harry Witmore) on 2007.10.18 at 22:56:59(16538)
They are all still there.

Harry Witmore

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From: agavestar at covad.net (Michael Mahan) on 2007.10.19 at 06:39:54(16542)
Well I knew this was gonna start as soon as people started seeing any plant
selling for hundreds & hundreds of dollars a pop on ebay.As then the market
gets flooded with all kinds of look alike plants ,nearly perfect knockoffs
& downright fraud items ,mislabeled plants , stolen photo's , all this
going to do is hurt real Quality Ariod plant sellers like IAS members &
others on Ebay . As a long time plant collector I've seen this happen many
times before. The same thing happened in the succulent/cactus market ,then
the African fat tree market , & I see it's happened also in the Japanese
Maple market , not to mention Orchids ,all these markets on ebay went way up
fast, people got burnt then the bottom falls out due to everyone telling
anyone & everyone that is all bad on Ebay . The New Fashion's Anthuriums !
We are gonna take a hit fast & hard soo look out all . We seen it coming..
To all who sell quality plants on Ebay be fair, be honest & be upfront but
what goes up must come down , with the market rising soo fast it's gonna
fall hard .soo plz prepare as best you can or you might find yourself going
to heck in a hand basket .. Rare Anthurium seeds from Turkey ??
shipped for a dollar ?

Michael Mahan

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From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2007.10.19 at 06:45:13(16543)
I can't be positive we are talking about the same person in South Africa, but I correspond fairly regularly with a person in South Africa who does sell a few seeds. But he sells very few! Nothing in quantity. This still does not pass the "smell" test.

Steve Lucas

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From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2007.10.19 at 15:36:21(16549)
Just traded email with the Anthurium grower in South Africa who has had a few seeds to sell. He doesn't even grow the majority of specimens that are being offered! Those seeds on eBay didn't come from him. And he believes he is the only Anthurium grower in that part of the world! Something tells me the "seeds came from South Africa" is just a cover story. I have given several people information on how to contact this collector and this eBay seller may have been one of them. I get emails daily from people who want to buy seeds as do many of you.

This increasingly looks like a scam to me. I won't name the plant since we've talked about it on this forum before and I have no way of knowing if the seller in Turkey is monitoring this board right now. I don't want to tip them off. But that Anthurium I asked about that was on the cover of Aroideana in the late 1980's that everyone was looking for? The one Ron has? She says she is selling seeds for it! Could be, but somehow I doubt it!

And by the way, the South African collector is part of this board!

Steve Lucas

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From: hermine at endangeredspecies.com (hermine) on 2007.10.19 at 16:13:18(16550)
>
>
>Well I knew this was gonna start as soon as people started seeing
>any plant selling for hundreds & hundreds of dollars a pop on
>ebay.. The New Fashion's Anthuriums ! We are gonna take a hit
>fast & hard soo look out all . We seen it coming.. To all who sell
>quality plants on Ebay be fair, be honest & be upfront but what goes
>up must come down , with the market rising soo fast it's gonna fall
>hard .soo plz prepare as best you can or you might find yourself
>going to heck in a hand basket .. Rare Anthurium seeds from
>Turkey ?? shipped for a dollar ?
>
> Michael Mahan

some fairly interesting Sansevieria, worth between oh, in the real
world, about $75-$125 sold for slightly over THREE AND A HALF
THOUSAND DOLLARS. I have a couple or three of them. from back when it
was a franklin. this is the sort of craziness which cannot have a
happy ending, it seems to me.

I never thought RARE PLANTS would find such a market of suckers
anywhere, and i started out as a rare plant finders service before I
even did mail order as such.

And the people to whom i complain say Let The Buyer Beware and have
seemingly no sympathy for the poor wealthy fools who fall for this.

What harsh and corrupt environment is the biz world.

hermine

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From: LLmen at wi.rr.com (Don Martinson) on 2007.10.20 at 01:44:23(16556)
There?s certainly plenty to be leery of regarding this seller:

No good history to go on. Only 3 feedback ratings and those were all from
her as a buyer
Snitches photos from other sites.
Sells seeds of very rare species (I?m assuming)
Based in Turkey (but says she gets the seeds from South America ? I suppose
that could happen)
Cheap postage (however most Anthurium seeds are pretty light and I can ship
a 1 oz envelope first class TO Turkey for $.90

However, unless someone knows more than I have been able to glean from the
threads of the past week, she has yet to be proven a total fraud. Yes, yes,
I know,
she snitched the photos, but that, in itself doesn?t mean the buyer won?t
get what she?s selling.

Not to worry, though, it won?t be long before those feedback results start
to come in, and we should know more, at least if she can deliver viable
seeds of something. Too bad it can take
quite some time before the identity of any seeds which sprout can be
confirmed.

And I sure wouldn?t pay what some of those are paying for A. superbum
without being pretty sure I?d be getting the right thing.

Stay tuned, this story ain?t over yet.

Don Martinson

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From: ken at spatulacity.com (Ken Mosher) on 2007.10.20 at 04:21:13(16558)
Don,

It's possible that her feedback will never turn negative. She's selling
seeds. They have to be grown at *least* to partial maturity before an ID
can be made, and often to full maturity and flowering. I know very
little about Anthurium.

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From: enigo at bellsouth.net (Enid) on 2007.10.21 at 14:16:49(16567)
Hi All,
Actually the complaint phone number to Ebay is (866)515-3229..... Ahem!
There is an email address too, but that rarely gets much in the way of results.
It is unfortunate that sellers insist on making quick cash at others expense.
There are a great of great buyers on Ebay that I have come to know as friends over the years and I hate to see them fall prey to a scam.
Enid
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From: agavestar at covad.net (Michael Mahan) on 2007.10.21 at 17:31:41(16569)
This is how quick scams on ebay work , open a bank account in a place where
the banking law are lax OR use a stolen ID THEN you post lots of auctions
of the hot new fashion (bridnest Anthuriums ), then collect as much cash as
fast as possible (think PAYPAL & money orders ) close said bank account
before paypal gets wise & seizes the account (that takes weeks for paypal to
get anything done ) spend cash . then start over agin with new names ,new
banks ,new ebay ID's & paypal accounts.. there was a Arioder doing this 2
years ago in FL but US banking is fast on it's feet these days , offshore
accounts that another whole ball of wax

Worse part about this recent scam is some of the bidders are NOT from the
Far East They are U.S. Ebayers which in the long run will hurt the quality
Aroid ebay sellers here . Complain all you want to Ebay sometimes it works
but you STILL need real proof. A flood of emails will do the trick but
only from the bidders . This is the U S A innocent till proven guilty
.until the auctions end & then people get screwed will the real action from
Ebay will start . but as shown above if a seller is fast & ready.. the cash
is already gone down the pockets of the scammers

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From: hermine at endangeredspecies.com (hermine) on 2007.10.21 at 18:18:05(16570)
>
>Actually the complaint phone number to Ebay is (866)515-3229..... Ahem!
>There is an email address too, but that rarely gets much in the way
>of results.
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From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2007.10.22 at 18:57:27(16574)
At least in my case, trying to call eBay is worse than calling the bank! All you get is "press 4, press 6, press 2, please visit our website". They won't take a report! I've filed my report (twice) and I hope most of you have done likewise. But it appears ladybotany is going to get away with her first bunch of scam auctions. Some have already ended and others will end shortly. The auctions for Anthruium superbum will exceed $150 each for 5 seeds!

Personally, I now have zero faith in eBay. It appears, at least on the surface, they care more about the money they make off listings and commissions plus their percentage of PayPal than they do about theft of copyright materials and fraudulent offerings. Don't know about the rest of you, but I made my report on Thursday and repeated it on Friday. So far, I've not heard a single word. And I really don't expect to ever hear a word!

Steve Lucas

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From: agavestar at covad.net (Michael Mahan) on 2007.10.22 at 20:35:48(16576)
Some of those are nice hybrids the sci-fi stuff you talk about .. I
don't think that is a scam but I've been wrong before ... like orchid
hybrids they are a dime a dozen these days . You'll see them soon at your
Local Safeway !!

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From: ncarz at charter.net (ncarz at charter.net) on 2007.10.22 at 22:06:38(16578)
OK, so I reported to ebay that my images were stolen and I got a reply that the owner of the images has to report them. Well I am the owner. So I called the number Steve put out on the list and got the following information:

Go to EBAYS home page and click on the HELP button.
In the "Search Help" box type in "VERO"
Then click on "Report Intellectual Property Infringments"
Down the page click on "Download Ebays NOCI form"
Fill it out and FAX it in to the number they tell you.

This is the only way that these photo thefts can be reported. NOT on the phone, NOT by email. BUT by Faxing in this form.
I'll be sending mine in right away.
NEIL

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From: plantguy at zoominternet.net (Daniel Devor) on 2007.10.22 at 22:50:50(16581)
Hi Steve and others,

Unfortunately, you can not expect ebay to take any action. No one, and I mean no one has any proof of wrong-doing as of yet.....besides stealing pics and I hope that this has been dealt with by ebay.....there is no proof the seed are not genuine at all. There is only supposition and suspicion based on the fact that no one knows who this person is, and until you get them, germinate them, and grow them to maturity you have no proof of that. I can also say from personal experience that this summer I started selling seed of a rare plant......no one had a clue who I was as I had never even grown one of these before.....still no one doubted the fact that the seed were genuine and I dare say you can ask some of the membership here and they will agree that they were as advertised.....I can only hope that I was not initially vilified behind the scenes because people had no clue who I was and just popped on the scene offering more seed than had ever been available previously by anyone in the world!!

The fact that the seed will not germinate is also blanket covered by the basic addage that the seller can not be responsible for the incompetence of the buyer as far as germination. I can tell you that of the perhaps 4,000 seed that I sold this summer I heard from people getting 90% and above success rate and others with the same seed got 0%......what does that mean.....I do not know.....I did my best to replace the seed for those people that did not have success the first time around, but you can not expect that from every seller on or off ebay.

I have no idea about these seed and I doubt their validity as much as the next person, but we are all making accusations with zero evidence.

Sorry, but I just felt like that needed to be pointed out even though I agree with everything everyone has said. I just hope that 4 months ago they were not saying it about me :o)

Good growing all,

Dan

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From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2007.10.23 at 00:54:44(16582)
Dan,

It is my believe the majority of us were more outraged by the theft of private copyrighted property in order to sell a product than anything else. And the fact those photos came from the IAS website made it even worse. A lot of people don't consider taking someone else's photo a crime. I do. And so does U.S. law. But when the stories that came back in email from the seller didn't add up, that added to the belief this was not an honest transaction. Several of us were sharing email privately about this entire situation. One IAS member was told the seeds were coming from South Africa and I was told they were coming from the United States. But the kicker for me was the use of a photo of a plant very similar to Dorothy Henkle's unusual Anthurium which appeared on Aroideana in 1989. A bunch of people on this forum have been looking for that plant for a long time including Dr. Croat. I found it extremely hard to believe someone would offer 5 seeds of that rare plant for $1.99 plus $1 postage. And if you
noticed, the seller was using the same species name with different photos of plants, some of which were not the plant advertised. The photo in question was not Dorothy's, it was (I believe) Neil's. But few actually have that specimen. So far, I've found two people on this board who very likely have one. Since others have been selling seeds on eBay, I haven't heard much of anything about whether or not they were honest. But this one just did not add up.

Steve Lucas

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From: floralartistry2000 at yahoo.com (Floral Architecture) on 2007.10.23 at 05:38:33(16586)
Steve, Dan, et al,
I've stayed out of the discussions as I get rather heated about eBay sales occasionally and try to keep a level head on discussing it. But, I would like to add a few cents here. Since I am a regular eBay seller, there are a few things I would like to point out.
Let me just first day that I am not advocating stealing photos. Posting web links to others web sites is always the best way to go and a society or authority list (like Dr. Croats and others) always adds validity to references. Taking someone else's photos from the web without permission should be reason for immediate termination from eBay or other similar auction houses.
There is a ladybotany listing still there for A. superbum seeds:

http://cgi.ebay.com/5-Anthurium-Superbum-seeds_W0QQitemZ280165911522QQihZ018QQcategoryZ25463QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

The seller is listed as being in Ankara. The same location as an unscrupulous seller earlier this year trying to sell unavailable Clivia seeds. She/He said that they have 200 Clivia mirabilis seeds for sale. Well, those on the Clivia list brought it up and well, there really hasn't been that amount of seeds for sale this year. It is a new species, government regulations, private farmers had crop failures, etc. Anyway, the auctions were ended but people who were contacted by the seller say that the seed was re-listed on eBay as grass seed for $1 each. Hello, who would be so stupid?????

Anyway, I digress. The point to this soliloquy being all the rare seeds that I and others sell sometimes go to those who really don't know what they are buying or getting themselves into. Dan and I have emailed about this. I can't tell you how many dollars have padded my pockets for rare seeds that I would like to see fall into someone's hands who knows what they are doing. But, no. They go to Susie in Middle America who has a few dollars to spend and wants something different than her spider plant. So, off it goes, she gets a little seedling that grows and grows. All that she has is a name that was sent with the seed (or plant or seedling). Ignorant of all the worlds around her and people who grow similar things, she has this plant which after several years and loving care, is a mature specimen and producing seeds. She doesn't know that seeds from it aren't the same as what she got but she thought, maybe someone else out there might want one and she can pass it on for a
$1 or two, get some extra cash for some new pots.
I can't tell you how many rare plants I haev found lurking in the most unlikely locations for what ever reason they were there. I have a client that isn't a plant person, she loves flowers though. She has even told me that she would rather spend $100 on impatiens than $10 on a nice plant. And yet, her house has more rare plants than many public gardens. Simply because they came with the house. I've treatened to sue her if she touches any of them and she just laughs and doesn't ask me to come back for a year or so.
Steve, I am on your side about stolen photos, hands down and ebay should back you up. But, let's not doubt the ignorance of suppliers until they are proven wrong. They might just be a little misguided.

John Ingram in Camarillo, CA, between Santa Barbara and L.A.
Membership Director, North American Clivia Society
www.floralarchitecture.com "Your Clivia Connection"
310.709.1613 (cell, west coast time, please call accordingly. Thank you)

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From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2007.10.23 at 22:10:33(16594)
I saw the listing back this morning. I checked the regular sources and didn't see it was taken from anyone I can report it to so what upset me is not involved in the possible sale of whatever seeds she may, or may not have. Personally, since the stories don't add up and due to the rarity of at least one plant offered, I doubt the seeds even existed. But I have no way of knowing that for certain. And your comment about a bad seller in Ankara adds to the doubt. But still, I have no way of knowing if this person is or is not selling what she offers. There's not much I, or others, can do. All I can hope is whomever buys the seeds receives what they pay for. The starting price has been increased dramatically. So the best I can say is "Buyer Beware".

I've received one private email calling me some unkind names for even getting involved. Seems not everyone thinks stealing photos is a bad thing. They called it "trivial". But as a retired commercial photographer, it really ticks me off!

Thanks for the comments.

Steve Lucas

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From: hyndman at aroid.org (Scott Hyndman) on 2007.10.24 at 12:14:44(16599)
The link given for the eBay auction of supposed Anthurium superbum seeds actually shows an image of Ensete superbum.

Scott

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From: honeybunny442 at yahoo.com (Susan B) on 2007.10.25 at 04:42:53(16605)
about this. I can't tell you how many dollars have padded my pockets for rare seeds that I would like to see fall into someone's hands who knows what they are doing. But, no. They go to Susie in Middle America who has a few dollars to spend and wants something different than her spider plant.

Susie in Mid America is everyone's favorite buyer. There is a saying in the US- "Midwest Nice" because we are, well, nice. Non assertive. Non confrontational.
Go ahead, you can say it- Stupid. a "sucker"
We let sellers sell us expensive, crap plants that are half dead, and let them talk us into keeping them. Even if we have other plants like it and we know the plant is no good. If it is a bulb plant, it can linger for a long time in a terminal state before it is DEAD DEAD. Then it is too late to get money returned.

Right, let the buyer beware!! ha.

A woman on another email list grew a Wollemi for 8 months and when she killed it, demanded another plant from the seller- and got it!
She was NOT from the Midwest.

Susan (don't call me Susie) from the Midwest.

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From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2007.11.05 at 18:10:40(16669)
If any of you on this forum have photos of Anthurium seeds, especially if the photo has a reference in the image to show size and scale such as a dime, I'd love to be able to post them on a page on my website. Everything I obtained this year has already been planted so I have nothing I can photograph.

As most of you are aware, there are photos claiming to be Anthurium "seeds" on eBay that look like small slices of potato or some other substance. Those have very square edges which are not indicative of any Anthurium seed I've personally seen. Photos of berries would also be appreciated.

I'll gladly give you credit in the short article I'm working on.

Thanks!

Steve Lucas

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